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I had a friend who took his life a few years ago. He didnt leave a note or anything, he just went home one day and hung himself. Later we found out that we had been gambling for a long period of time and that he had large depts to the "wrong" kind of people. I dont know what the had threaten him to do so i cant really say what he did was wrong or not. Maybe he feared for his kids, maybe something else, all i know is that they didnt do anything to them afterwards. I wont judge what he did, maybe it was for the better, its still a tradgedy that he died but if thats what he wanted and if it saved the people he loved then who am i to judge him. Everyone has their reasons to commit suicide, but i think that only a few of them can be considered "good", in this case i think he might have done the right thing. |
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on 2007-03-17 14:43:20 (edited 2007-03-17 14:52:33)
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"Suicide (in this/your contex) = Giving up = Cowerdiance = No honour" Like Yuki said, Suicide(Ritual. Old days) was considered in Japan to be a way of getting back lost honor. People have a right to do what they want with their life, you do not have the right to criticize their lives or choices they make. So don't say bad things about people you don't understand. How would you like it and what would you say if everyone started calling you a coward or saying you don't have honor because of a choice you made? It always amazes me how many people believe they have the right to talk about the choices of others like they are that person or their on expert on what happened. I'm not saying suicide is the way, but casting people out as cowards or idiots is not the way to deal with it. Why don't people actually try talking to and helping these people? Instead of calling them names and talking about them badly.    |
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^__^ Ah, I was wondering when someone will remember harikiri/seppuku or kamikaze. Ye see, Ryu walks ze cable right now. Suicide can be right or wrong. So the act itself is greay, but ze reason can be black or white. Mayu-chan is being attacked. A gang, maybe, is pissed and going to rape/kill Mayu. Mayu can do harikiri 'cause she knows there is no way she can get out of it alive. Or she can do the 'stupid' thing, pick up a shard of glass and defend her honour. I remember that harikiri/seppuku(can't remember which 'nemore) is started by a common robber. He was robbing a store but someone called the police and they got him cornered. Instead of doing some jail time/facing whatever punnishment he was supposed to, he took a knife and de-gut himself. The onlookers/witnesses were awed by his 'courage' and this robber has then set a trend-thing. -_-' I hope I got the details correct.. Anyway, now *you* tell me if harikiri is acctually honourable or not. I only know the meaning of kamikaze but not the history. >.< They're kinda cool when you think about it. I mean they die enthusiastically for their faith/beliefs/country/leader/etc. But it's also a bad thing when they go and involve other people into their mess. Does car-bombing in Iraque//whereever ring a bell? And think not only of wars. What about conventions and other situations. Imagine if there were women and children in the way. The adrenaline feels great but the person's dignity is cursed and crushed. The 'contex' I was thinking about when writing the last entry was about today's generation. Our genes of after thousands of years of evolution and cross-mutations(???) have created a generation where mental and personality disorders are an acctual threat and very common and also in varying degrees. o.0 One of those mental disorders is depression. In the more serious and untreated cases, the poor soul leads him/herself to belief that he/she is worthless/the world hates them/has low self esteem/whatever and being stuck in such a condition for long enough, the person may acctualy DO the act of suicide. Personally, I think the world is over populated. Everything costs too much. Expectations and junk are too high. People lack fresh air and excersize and are too used to their comfort things to move around enough to generate the chemicals that make you feel good. Some lack purpose because of the combined reasons of the above. angelyuki, you have no idea how glad I am to know that you are sane. I melf fear to tread the lines of insanity these days from all the people I'm living with and my cat's surgery today. >.< rister, I feel and understand for your friend from what you describe. Loan sharks are dangerous. -.-' He was wrong to gamble in the first place though.. And I can ramble on this so I'll shut up about him. lol, Jonathon. I drive my shrink up the wall with my 'pride'. I cussed when a nurse accidently hit my face with the curtain. People say I should have shut my trap. I say the nurse is careless. And what are you talking about again? the people who are thinking about suicide or the already dead ones. Because if you can see, I am among the 'good guys' who try to keep people alive. [points pointedly to earlier posts] Midori-chan, I really don't mind what your belief is but I really DO wish you can be with me when I visit my shrink. ^__^ You'll piss him off more than me and I can sit and laugh at his miserable attempt to 'teach' us what is right. somethingclever can come too. Now that I have no idea what I've rambled, I will go find the para..para.. argh acetaminophen or whatever the spelling. |
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The people who write suicide notes, and GIVE them to someone, don't have the guts to pull through with it most of the time. My sister always says, "Geez, I'm gonna commit suicide", and I want to hit her. So, I don't think you should feel too guilty. Your friend sort of deserved it. Life is something to be treasured, but there are times in which some people just can't deal with all the shit that gets thrown at them. Yes, there are some people who desire, not attention, but death. I mean, I can sort of understand this situation: No control over their lives in some way or another, and they kill themselves because that's the only thing they feel that they CAN control. Then, there are the people who go through a horrific event (ie: watching someone they know get murdered, and not being able to do anything; rape; abuse; an incurable illness, etc). If your friend actually tries a suicide attempt, talk to them rationally, and get to the bottom of it. Really, some people just can't handle life's numerable burdens. I was a person back then. I could smile and laugh and... feel. All the colors... all the hurt... all the laughing... it all went away. All of them. They used words like brain damage... and cerebral trauma. But even then I understood. I was safe... safe from the bad thing. |
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I have read a lot of the post in here about life and suicide, and there is a lot of different opinions in here, some of you defend life some others think about suicide as a natural answer to problems, I got to tell you that I think the hardest thing about suicide is not the problem of the person that will commit suicide, but the emptiness that leaves in the persons who loved him, because to suicide its easy, if you really want to do it is very simple, but a lot of the persons who think about taking their lives are just desperate, and can’t find a better solution to ease their worries, pane, or sadness, but they don’t really want to die. And they should think about the persons that are gonna leave behind. I tell you this because the person that I love the most, mi fiancée, my beloved girl, before we were a couple she try to commit suicide more than once, in those days she was my best friend, and she had a lot of troubles with her boyfriend who also had a lot of problems himself, and encourage her to commit suicide together, she was continuously depressed, and for every problem she made one cut on her wrist… that just hurt my so badly so I tried to help her every time, but in the end she was the one that really save me…well enough of my sad memories… mi point is that we all have problems but if we want to, if we allow others to help us we can always rise up. One of the post said “they think that they are but a burden to their love ones, that without them their families are much better off†I think this is true, the depressed person usually thinks he is useless and that his love ones are better without them, but this is just what they think but it is not necessarily true, because there is always some one that really cares about us and I think that’s a good reason to live for, I do not live for myself I live for the others, I live for you all, now every thing I have read about you and what you think it is a part of me, and when you read this it will become part of you, so we all affect each other with our live or with our dead. By the way AnimeAngel27 I know this was almost 2 years ago, but if you get to read this, I know how hard can your situation be, because I have been there, but the only thing I can tell you, it’s just try to be strong, maybe slapped him was not the best thigh to do (even though some times it is just what I wanna do when some one speaks about killing himself) but you can try helping him even if every day it’s a challenge, try to show him that you care, some times might very difficult not to get mad at him but just try… and if some thing goes wrong just remember you did what you could.. I wish you the best… p.s. I hope you can forgive my spelling, and all the mistakes in my way of writing, my English is not very good…actually this is my first post in English so if some thing is not clear enough, or it is not correctly expressed I apologize |
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Wow! Hehehe. I should have read these post months ago! I for one, once tried to commit suicide….. Based on experience I never planed on killing myself, for one I’m too proud to commit suicide. But once you’re on the spot its different. It’s like being trapped on the grips of death and all that’s on your mind is ending it all. A was just tired of life, everyday struggling to give meaning to it, I felt like it was pointless to go on living. I know it was stupid but at that moment I was at the abyss, the pits of loneliness….. I was lucky, because my mind was wavering and I was having second thoughts. I called a good friend of mine for my final farewell. But in reality I guess I just wanted someone to stop me. I never thought someone would care as much as she did. We were friends only for a few months but I really felt hoe much she cared for me when we were taking. I was so moved that I totally dropped the knife and threw away the pills. People who think of suicide should not be judged or pitied, it takes strength to end once life but it takes true courage to keep on living. |
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Is my family cursed? I got two suicidal cases in my family... well they are not really a close relative to me. number one: a girl, my mum's cousin. killed herself by drinking parasite killing er liquid (dunno what it calls) number two: a guy (with family and kids), my dad's side long distance uncle. hanged himself in er-- toilet in the office. According to chinese customs, people who ends his own life will not reincarnate. His soul is lost forever. Because our life is gifted, if we end it by force... We break the bond of the so-called life circle. PS: there is much more valuable things in life, please appreciate what you've got. do not do STUPID things! Problems can be solve. There are always ways ^^  unity with diversity rude>sweet>naive R.i.P b.u.d |
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Suicide is said to be the easy way out. So someone who wants to suicide has problems that he/she does not want to deal with. So it is also tecnically running away from your problems and showing more cowardlyness worse than a samurai. <---sorry, got a little angry there. I, myself have had suicidal thoughts, but who hasn't. But I don't really consider it an option since I know it's not right. 
So I drove into a parking lot one time and saw this person pull into a handicap parking spot. When you think handicap, you think wheelchair and whatever, right? So it just ticked me off when I saw the guy come out of the car perfectly fine. So then I ran him over. |
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on 2007-07-13 16:43:13 (edited 2007-07-13 16:45:58)
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Sorry I don't have time to read everyone's posts except for the last couple. My opinion on it is a very weird position. Because I have lost a friend to suicide I should hate it, but I can't. I can only remember my friend.for ng it. Taking your own life, I don't consider it the "easy way out". Is taking your life that "easy"? It in itself is a pretty hard choice. However giving up doesn't help anyone either.  
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Well on the subject of it, I don't think your a "coward" for doing so. It's a personal chose if you choose to do that. But if your going to do it, if you don't have an option or believe you don't have one, if you want away out, if you don't care what you do even if your hurting anyone who cared about you, maybe you could. I couldn't. I'm pretty gutless. But is it really all right for those who have done it?? I can't imagine it being easy just to leave everything you know behind. What you know and even gave the slightest care for. But I don't think you'll get out of much my dying either; you may still have problems. Not like I'd know, but still. Putting other people, just anyone whoever seemed to care, though any pain.... Personally, I don't want to hurt people. Even if I hurt myself, if someone were to emotionality hurt someone by my own actions, I can't do that to someone. I'd have to stop myself. I'd have to think. I don't know why I am that way, but I just am. I have to think of the pain I could put others though, think of everyone else before I did something like that. I'd rather take the pain of what would happen if I didn't then to actually do it. I mean, even if it hurts me really badly, before I could do it, ever if I were to tell myself no one cares, I'd like to believe someone would. So I really couldn't. I'd have to be in a horrid state just to no think of what I was doing and to just do it. No one can see inside of your T i r e l e s s M i n d . |
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on 2007-07-13 18:33:02 (edited 2007-07-13 18:57:13)
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I choose life over suicide because if i were to die by my own hand then i would miss out on the greatest thing life has to offer which is true love. My heaven is being with Ronin. I have thought of suiside often and it is a bad habit. Feeling like you don't belong is the worst feeling, but everyone has something to live for you just have to find it. My heaven is with ronin. if he dies then i die. Suicide is an act of selfishness. you think you are suffering? Think about those who will suffer without you being there. This site has helped me have my world that i wish to live in. I thank Gendou for showing people that life is worth living for. With people like him, the world goes around and strives to be the best. Knowing good people helps you live a good life. Life is paitent and rushing will only kill you . If you want to live then be the best you can be. Live the possible and prove to do the impossible. Life is worth living for when you have something worth living for. (Ronin you make me feel alive. My luv) 
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on 2007-07-13 21:35:02 (edited 2007-07-13 21:37:25)
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I only read the first page because I was too lazy to read anymore so I guess I'll just talk starting with adressing the first post. Slapping your friend probably wasn't the best idea in the world however being mad at him totally is. Expressing that is also, but I would suggest words over violence :P I don't see life as a gift or whatever because some lives really do rot and some people would be better off not being here (I'm talking extreams like people in constant pain with literally no hope of being able to to anything, or like murders. The quality of life is gone and in the case of murders they inflict pain upond others so they can go away) Life is unfair and often really hard but when you're alive you always have a chance to change something. When you're dead that's it, game over (for that exsistance anyway) and all that is left is all the people you hurt. I don't get mad at people for feeling suicidal, or wanting to die. I understand how one can get to that feeling its the reasons that makes me mad. "My gf/bf broke up with me.", "I lost my job." and things like that. Not only are those completely temporary problems but are are so trivial compared to real trama. People who mope around because of those things all the time and refuse to help themselves are what makes me mad. As far as suicide goes it's pretty much the most selfish thing anyone can do. I could understand if you were being tortchered for information or something along those lines but every day life for most people isn't like that. When people are that close to suicide they are in such a dark place that they can't see anything but that and their pain. They truely believe others will be better off without them. They don't process properly anymore however suicide works in a sort of pattern, in the darkest of it all is when many people attempt but if they could just hold out and not attempt something gets triggered and instead they feel the urge that they actually don't want to leave those they love even though it's painful for them to stay. However at this time they are still highly at risk and if action isn't taken they can end up killing themselves anyway. Suicide is often thought of the coward's way out but it's not really the case, yes the person is running away from their problems however there are alot of factors that could be making it harder for people to even admitt there is a problem let alone trying to deal with it. For them (usually culture baised) death is more honorable than talking about what is going on, which is extreamly sad. Suicide notes are all about letting someone know. before they do it they often try to tell someone in some fashion. Suicide notes are the same, a sort of goodbye for them. Those aren't about attention, those are about their thoughts while in the darkness. Overall yeah life > suicide. Permanent solution to temporary problems. It's so selfish...just so selfish |
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Here's my take on this.... I've been suicidal before, I still am sometimes... you'd probably have to be inside the mind of a suicidal victim or be fully suicidal yourself to get your friend but just so you understand a little better here's some insight on how it feels.... I don't know exactly why your friend wanted to do it but for me, when you're THAT depressed nothing around you matters anymore and you become completely absorbed in your own wants and needs only thinking about yourself... a suicidal person, believe it or not is the most selfish person in the world, but he/she is also the most trapped person in the world... Imagine a small dark room, no window, no door, you haven't seen the light for days and you have no idea when someone will be coming to give you your next meal.... IF there is even a hatch for the next meal... That's how a suicidal person feels. Now I know what you're gonna say, that's not actually happening to your friend but like I said, your friend won't see it that way, he only sees the room, that dark room where he can't get out off.... Now here's the deal, depression and suicidal tendencies can be a psychologically related disease. Because your brain is so used to falling into depression it can become a habit, much like biting your nails or gambling. Same thing. You get addicted to being the victim.... I'm not saying you need to rush your friend to the nearest psychotherapist but it does take a lot of work and a lot of determination to pull through it....and if he doesn't manage to, he may need to see one. I'm not on medication but I made it a practice to live healthy and exercise, which helps when the depression phase hits... but when it does hit I still have trouble trying to get out of it... that's when I busy myself with other things like work or writing my fanfictions.... I really wouldn't be able to survive without writing anymore, its really my avenue to let go. For different people its different things, some people say that you should surround yourself with positive people when you're depressed. For me I find solace in being alone, because being with others makes me compare myself to their well lived lives and I feel inferior... So you need to help your friend find his avenue for release... That's all I have to say for now and I'm sure its pretty long but I hope it helps you understand your friend a little better.... suicidal tendencies are not about how much better off than the person who's worse off than you... its always about the individual.... also not sure about your friend, but I HATE when people tell me there's other's worse off than me.... it makes me feel weaker than them...which leads me to feel even more depressed.... 
~"Bury it... I won't let you bury it ... I won't let you smother it ... I won't let you murder it"~
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on 2007-07-14 16:19:14
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no se suiciden chavos hay muchas cosas en la vida
hola
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hmmmm how to say how i feel about this issue i can understand why people desire to kill themselves, i had a severe depression problem for years, that i have thankfully been able to get over, though i myself was never suicidal except in the very beginning....as silly as it sounds it was Vash the Stampede that convinced me that i should never even consider such and option, and to live on, even if it meant living in eternal pain. That being said, even though "I dissaprove of suicide more than anything" as an option for myself, but i sympathize with those who see it as the only solution to their problems. What really pisses me off is when people say that suicidal people are stupid, or weak, i never really could understand their line of reasoning to get to such a conclusion, i can't stand people who say "suicide victims" either, you are not a victim if you commit an act of your own volition. Also angering me to no end is that ridiculous catchphrase "Suicide a permanent solution to a temporary problem.", that's a lie, its a solution to every problem you are facing, or ever will. Some people see eternal nothingness as their best option, and we shouldn't judge them, pity them, or anything else (well unless of course you know the person of course)  |
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We must treasure life. For all we know, our life on earth is governed by time. Nothing else but time. Suicide is the ending of life prematurely by vouluntarily means. This is rather degrading to life itself. Suicide is not and should NEVER be an option. We must not see death as an option, as a way out of troubles. In my book, using death as a way out proves only one thing: U are a coward and cannot face the music. Life should be treasured with all meaning. Life itself is precious. The Almighty One gave us life, to have a purpose, to exist and when the time comes, we will return to where we came from. Death is merely a door to another life. To die, we would experience something new after it. That is my belief. But suicide.. is definitely not favoured by me. U can say that i am strongly against the idea of suicide.  |
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well, people should treasure their life, even though life is unhappy, but if we keep fighting 4 our dreams and never give up, life will be happy, happy life must be earned by driving our dreams and keep fighting for them some people make suicide, which feel their life empty, coz they just miss something in their life. But don't suicide! A lot of people in this world who doesn't have long life, but still live to the fullest happiness hopefully people can live until they feel satisfied Live to the fullest guys
long life....
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on 2007-09-14 01:21:54 (edited 2007-09-14 01:23:09)
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But can you truly live life to the fullist when there isn't anything else to live for? True it hurts your family but if death is an only option things must be horriably bad. But they are not a coward. Nobody can just point a gun to thier head and pull the trigger. People say those things like you should live life to the fulliest without fear, but if you point a gun to thier head they would cringe and cry and do anything to stay alive. They fear for thier humanity and they are not brave enough to let them kill them. Think about that. Someone who is unafriad of death is no coward to me. It's true I don't like suicide but, I never call them names or demean them in anyway.
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on 2007-09-14 01:34:45 (edited 2007-10-06 23:14:38)
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suicide e?? kyaa dont waste ur life ^,^ live, love and laugh.. and i believe that hells exist we just dont know who r the people there! ^.^ 
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on 2007-09-15 21:28:37 (edited 2007-09-15 21:29:29)
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Life is certainly god-sent.. For without it, we would cease to exist. We must not commit suicide. Its immoral to ourselves and our loved ones. Chigaimasu ka?
~I will Kill all who Stands in my Way~
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