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Did they have the "Evolution" with the title before? That trailer still doesn't change anything, you're right. True fans are going to be outraged. If any fan likes this film, then you're not a fan at all, to any extent. Like watching that trailer, I just got more and more irate about the entire thing. I don't even need to explain the reasons why, I think everyone knows, it's obvious! Jesus... 
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"This Live action should be good, getting chow yun fat as roshi was a great asset. The effects seems top notch and looks to be working well. I can't wait" Nah... I just cannot get that mindset... I can't even try to "like" it or even give it a chance at least.  Kneel Before the Great and Benevolent Cow! |
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on 2009-01-07 22:50:41 (edited 2009-01-07 22:57:38)
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I'm with Lu-Bu. There's no way I can get into the 'It's gonna be great' mindset, not after being one of the unlucky people to live through the Uwe Boll directs movies generation. Let's take a closer look at the trailer. Piccolo in an odd Sith Emperor robe with modern leather (or some weird material) armor? - No. Guns - No. At least not in any serious use. Wire-fu - Not impressive, but understandable. Transforming modern hover cycle - Close, but no. Single Dragon Balls having power to do things - No. Goku's outfit - I'll give you that one Wong, only that. Some kind of Highwind Airship - Don't think so. Simply having Chow Yun Fat as Yoshi doesn't push the movie up much. Chow Yun Fats recent exploits in movies haven't turned out well, and it comes down to whether the director uses his talents or not. Star Appeal doesn't mean anything these days, several talented actors are often thrown into terrible movies where their talents are squandered and their careers drop a few notches. He was great in his John Woo days, but since then he's been busted down to Bulletproof Monk and cameo's in Pirates of the Caribbean. Just because he's a martial artist doesn't mean you should automatically pick him for a role as one in a movie, when a director picks actors like that they typically do it for star appeal. I mean don't get me wrong, Chow Yun Fat is awesome, but his days are behind him now. He usually shows up in a cameo role or such and none of the movies so far have served him well. As for the others, I haven't heard of any of them really. I only remember Chatwin from War of the Worlds (the remake), Emma Rossum from Poseidon, and James I've only seen in 'P.S I love you' (which I haven't watched, so I don't know what to expect from him). Most likely this will end with fans being sickened, and anyone not into anime won't know what the hell to make of it. I can imagine people like my dad or my cousin watching it and having this "WTF is going on?" look in their eyes the whole time. We can all agree though that enough fans will go to see the movie (despite what they know will happen) that it will make the money needed for a sequel or different anime adaption. The comic book hero movies are winding down, please don't start an anime adaption trend, let Hollywood head down a different path so they don't consider anime an untapped market.    |
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I'm telling you guys, as a fan of this anime and manga from child...the movie gonna screw up big time. Just watching the trailer shows it all, but yet I'm gonna watch it..sadly. How on earth they chose Chow Yun Fatt as Master Roshi? They could easily find some old chinese actors with long white beard to act as Master Roshi, and Yun Fatt doesn't resemble the master Roshi in the Dragon Ball series at all..he supposed to be some womanizer old geezer! Goku, ok at least they couldn't make the hair (we understand its extremely hard lol) - but at least his personality? Goku is supposed to be the noobie like, peace loving and slight childish but of course..extremely strong.
And I thought I've already 'abide' by the rules of signature.
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You know who I'd love to see as Roshi? Pat Morita. If he were still alive today I think he'd make the perfect Roshi. |
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on 2009-01-08 13:31:28 |
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Emmy Rossum looks HOT doing Bulma, I have to say that's one thing I like about this thus far. After a bit of snoozing around, she was a part of "The Day After Tomorrow", and Jon mentioned the Poseidon. Couldn't tell her appearance because she went from cute in that movie, to more mature and womanly in this one. Jon's analysis on the trailer, I agree with, though Goku's outfit is wrong (to be official). It's wrong, and a bit much was added like his under layer of clothing and whatever he's wearing around his wrists. The original Goku, even from the original Dragonball series, wore that orange top, orange bottom warriors outfit with blue under shirt and blue wrist bands. The staff is a bit advanced looking as well, though I don't really care on details of that weapon. Since Goku is just fighting Piccolo, I don't think Gohan was born yet, nor were Goku and Piccolo "allies". This must've been way early, near the beginning of DBZ since after that, the Saiyans arrive (Vegeta, Nappa, Radditz). My memory might be off, I mean it's been YEARS since I've seen an episode of Dragonball Z, especially the very first and early ones. O.o` [@squallpayne] Yeah, character personality in this one is definitely not strong and familiar with to the original series, not at all. Thinking about it in my head, it's kind of like dubbing, but you actually see them acting it out while dubbing, but instead of dubbing, they're using their own scripts so the "motive" to dub is only being used, because they're "trying" to act like the anime characters. :/ I've seen cosplays of Goku before, a lot of Goku cosplayers. The costume might've been a bit tacky, but the hair was pretty well done and nearly resembled the real thing! You're right about finding those old "masters" in China, they do resemble each other, but acting like Master Roshi in the series might be difficult since he's so healthy for his age. If I had to choose, I'd rather have teenagers in Korean, Chinese, or Japanese schools to do the cast, and yeah the entire movie! They have Akira's name down as to where the story originated from, which is an insult, but I hope they don't try to write his name down in as some executive producer or something, since he was not a part of this at all so whatever happens, he was not involved, plus he was given the boot. D:<
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hmmm, i think it would do you guys good if you dont compare it to the original Anime. and actually, the movie is based near the end of Dragon Ball, it's not even DBZ. so yeah   |
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Dragon Ball Z was the most famous of the series (and considered best) so they inadvertently associated the initial announcement of its production with it. Street Fighter, Double Dragon, Fist of the North Star, etc... Big titles which was made to US movies turned stale. It is ultimately the fact that companies like to try and cash in and tarnish these titles that the hate comes from. Alteration to the point that it doesn't catch the feel anymore. One of the biggest thing I hated with this movie is altering Goku's image. His easy-going and innocent image has been one of his biggest selling factors. It was amusing with his "farm-boy" reactions to technology and was really childish in face of great danger. ... and I don't think they'll have the lecherous image of Roshi in the movie. Can't imagine chow yun fat in that character. Kneel Before the Great and Benevolent Cow! |
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As far as i know when Hollywood gets involved with live-action versions of something they always for the most part try to hard to make it appeal to the mainstream audiences & not devoting as much to the original fans. They don't always use what is already there in the original series that made it so popular in the first place instead they 'assume' that the changes added will appeal to everyone. Not always will big special effects, a hot female character, insane action scenes sell a film. What they are doing to the Dragonball franchise with this movie is greatly tarnish the reputation it has...people seeing this movie will think that Dragonball is what they see in this movie, where in reality it is so much more. Albiet since no one has actually seen this movie, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Although the trailer doesn't look like it is garnering any new fans. The easiest route i think the director should've taken is to make the film a CG one like what they are doing with Astroboy. Using CG would probably make it more truer to the anime i'd think.Also that format would've greatly lessen the fans dis-taste of what they see with the live action movie so far.  |
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It's the "so that the audience won't expect the same thing" action. It's understandable. Change it so that the viewers will be surprised on how the flow of the movie will be. So that the audience won't get bored watching since they could assume the outcome of the story if it followed the original plot. That's what they did with Street Fighter. They were there, but the characters and plot didn't feel right. It is indeed a logical action, but they can't get it right. Their "Westernization" is imperfect. Mangas and it's animated counterparts have survived such actions. Why can't they learn on how the transition should at least go based on the latter? There are some which delve from the original plot and yet still feel the same. I don't think CG would be the answer. It's too closely related to Animation itself. It would most likely end up being worse since they might be completely redrawn as to show it's made in Hollywood. Or look the same and end up being another DB movie. (Although I have concluded on a third outcome in this scenario.) Kneel Before the Great and Benevolent Cow! |
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on 2009-01-11 18:10:59 (edited 2009-01-11 18:20:09)
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@yat- As I mentioned, if you want to know where mine, Lu's and Izumo-sans jaded outlook comes from, go watch a few of Uwe Boll's movies, or some live action adaptions of anime or games that Hollywood has gotten it's filthy hands on. I swear, if you are a fan of any video game that Uwe Boll has turned into a movie and consider yourself a movie lover, he will single-handedly destroy any hope you had for that movie. Hollywood has crafted me into the cynical, jaded guy I am today, and Uwe Boll has since taken that and made it three times as bad, to the point where there is almost no movie I cannot pick apart some aspect of and butcher it. Like I said, I go into a movie expecting it to be bad until I am proven wrong, not the other way around. I agree with Izumo-san that Hollywood is trying to make it a movie for mainstream audiences, and I can understand that since you aren't going to make a profit from a big budget movie by targeting only the fans of the subject, not when it comes to anime outside of Japan at least. However, due to the fact that they are attempting to mainstream a series which is really a niche in countries outside of Japan, they make it a disappointing experience for the fans. When you get it down to its basic form, they are just creating a different movie and basing it around a series they know fans will blindingly go and see, using this method they can pull in money from unsuspecting fans as well as the mainstream audience. Fans of the game Bloodrayne went to see the movie because it was based on a cool game they like or loved, others went to see it because it's something fresh (to people who didn't play the game anyway). The movie was utter rubbish of course from both a professional filmmaker perspective as well as a fans perspective, but who cares, the studio made a buck. Since this method of making movies they know people will see even though they skimped on the quality of it works so well, it spreads to other movies. They won't stop doing it, because we always go and see the darn movies and give them more money, we help encourage them to keep doing it. Only a few movie adaptions work out well and please both fans as well as the mainstream audience, usually the movies that have actual effort put into the source material. I also agree with Lu-Bu that change is needed sometimes to keep things from getting stale for fans as well. I'm a moderate fan of the Dragon Ball franchise, but I don't want to see a movie where everyone just screams for 10 to 15 minutes before throwing a few punches and then giving length dialogue. That doesn't mean you can just make the movie all action with a thinly based plot to make it seem like it has a logical flow. You have to strike a balance, you have to know the material, you have to get into the minds of the fans, the mind of someone who loves the series. "One of the biggest thing I hated with this movie is altering Goku's image. His easy-going and innocent image has been one of his biggest selling factors. It was amusing with his "farm-boy" reactions to technology and was really childish in face of great danger." This is the kind of thing that ruins adaptions and what results when people have no idea what the original was actually like. I don't like that either, Goku's lighthearted and worry free approach to most of the situations he is in is what made the series initially charming. He would get serious at times when things were dire, but he had a goofy way of going about life. The movie adaption will probably (from the look of the trailer anyway) make him out to be some guy who nobody expects to be a hero, serious all the time except for the one or two quips he has which cause regular people to roll their eyes rather than laugh, and he will probably be missing his crazy antics as well. (ahh! It's a Wall o' Text!) |
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@jon : i've had my fair share of that, but heck, im an optimistic person who looks things in that light, what do you expect? XD |
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Let's put it this way. I am expecting it to be bad, so that when it actually is good. I would not be disappointed. Kneel Before the Great and Benevolent Cow! |
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In other words, set your sights as low as possible, then there's no way you can be disappointed, only impressed. I prefer this outlook much more than the optimistic approach, putting too much faith in things usually leaves me let down. |
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It's actually how I am looking at G.I. Joe and Tekken right now. Really bad apples. Let me say though, that there was one movie Boll made that had a decent nod from some of the viewers and that was "Postal". Watched it and had a few laughs, after playing the game it actually was similar. It was extremely violent, scandalous and had a really annoying plot. Kneel Before the Great and Benevolent Cow! |
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i never knew that a thread about that stupid "dragonball" movie existed . . . and was created two years ago! XD i saw the trailer last year. and for someone like me who grew up watching dragonball . . . NO. ugh. they just used the title and the anime as a basis. but it's obviously a different story. wow. hollywood really is using sensationalism to earn millions of bucks. i do not understand why some conceptualize live actions of anime and manga that require a lot of special effects. don't they realize that it is pretty impossible to accomplish the same effects that the original has with the technology that we have today? and they should at least make the characters and the story as close as much to the original, because they're just making crap if not. |
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Postal? The movie that wasn't good enough to receive a theater run and currently holds an average of 8% from critics, universally panned as being a movie which can lower your IQ by at least 20 points? Surely you must be joking Lu. I mean yeah, it was one of Boll's most successful films, but that's the same as saying that you have a barrel full of rotten apples where one won't actually kill you, just send you to the hospital. I think this is best discussed in it's own thread. Is anyone here planning on actually paying to see Dragon Ball? Or simply torrent it once a good version comes out? My friends wanted to go see it is for a laugh, however I'm currently against actually paying good money for it, since I don't like to support Hollywood's evil ambitions. |
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It's April 2009 right? No, not me... I am currently unemployed and have no income whatsoever. I'll have other people take the torture of watching Dragon Ball: Evo-lu-tion on the big screen. I might torrent it because of curiosity. But my mind is set on it being a failure. And lastly about Postal. It's not critically acclaimed, but known to be Boll's only decent game movie on the internet. Must be because of the sex, violence and the like. Nah... I am pretty sure it's gotta be that. The movie had a ton of it. It was also the selling point of the game. That's why it was easy to make. Put lots of girls, add some violence, put a pinch of stupidity, more violence, and mix with a hint of boll. The plot was pure nonsense anyways, it was indeed something that degraded you (If you let it... ha!). We got to make some thread of this. A "What if Boll directed..." thread on the "Waste of time". Wow... Just read the wiki for DB. Stephen Chow is the producer? Suddenly the fight sequences might be decent enough. And check this thread that someone posted a while ago. It's an indie video based on hardcore otakus fighting (mostly DB style and has a nod to Seiya as well.). I began to imagine if Chow had directed Dragon Ball rather than Wong. Maybe the anticipation might have been at least positive. Though retaining the current Goku might be bad. Having a caucasian Goku really feels so wrong. Kneel Before the Great and Benevolent Cow! |
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@Lu Bu- I agree that Chatwin is a bad idea to play Goku. A lot of people on forums have been talking about how the issue of a white person playing Goku is a stupid discussion and that it doesn't matter who does it. I disagree with that and I think it makes a huge difference. I'm tired of seeing the movies with the 'white guy learns martial arts' character. It just doesn't feel right when it's an Asian film or based from something Asian. Do Western audiences really need to see a white person in order to relate to the movie? No, or at least I would hope not. Jackie Chan, Chow Yun Fat, Jet Li, Bruce Lee, they are proof of that. So why not at least attempt to keep it to it's roots? Then again, we are talking about Hollywood big shots who know nothing about the source material here. Chow directing the movie instead might not have turned out too bad. I can see his version of Dragonball having the humor and silliness left intact seeing as how Chow was behind movies like Kung-Fu Hustle and Shaolin Soccer (two movies I love), heck, if Chow was directing we might have gotten to see Him play Goku, much like Kung-Fu Hustle (he often directs and stars in his movies). From the look of it so far, Chow isn't having much effect on Goku as a character or anything in the movie for that matter, it looks like we'll be going to see a completely serious and unfunny/not silly Goku this April (brace yourself in case he fires off a few eye-rolling lines). This is my list of things I will have to see in the movie in order to not consider it a complete waste of my time and money. - I had better get to see Goku's blast destroy a mountain or at least 5 city blocks. If it ends up being some wimpy little ball of energy that knocks a guy against a wall I'm going to throw something at the screen. - Shenron summoned. If not summoned, at least a fictional idea of what would happen if the Dragon Balls came together, or a reference. - Master Roshi showing some kind of perverted trait. I'm not expecting Chow Yun Fat to grab Bulma's behind or anything, but at least let there be a scene where he checks her out, comments on her appearance or does something. Otherwise he's just going to be the boring mentor character who never lives past the second act. - If, and I mean IF, they have already planned a sequel, then let the inevitable trailer after the credits show Vegeta or Raditz. King Piccolo is awesome and everything, but I would rather see one of those guys as the antagonist. |
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I just stopped by anime news network & they had an article about DB creator Akira Toriyama-san & his early reaction to the live-action film....here is the quote he said. "As the original creator, I had a feeling of "Huh?" upon seeing the screenplay and the character designs, but the director, all the actors, the staff, and the rest are nothing but "ultra" high-caliber people. Maybe the right way for me and all the fans to appreciate it is as a New Dragonball of a different dimension. Perhaps, this might become a great masterpiece of power! Hey, I look forward to it!!" *original page courtesy of animenewsnetwork* Dragonball creator reacts to live-action film Ummm not really a positive endorsement of the film is it?, though that last line is him just being polite like most japanese people are. Inside he must be saying like "WTF is this!!?"...ok if the creator is like this than this has to be a disaster in the making. |