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Re: Halo 3 and the REAL Next-Gen debate!
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by Feo Muchacho
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Re: Halo 3 and the REAL Next-Gen debate!
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on 2006-09-03 14:24:44 (edited 2006-09-03 14:26:09)
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http://gendou.com/forum/thread.php?thr=5449&ent=123999#123999 That should be it. Sorry I couldn't hyperlink.    |
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by Feo Muchacho
on 2006-09-03 14:18:39 (edited 2006-09-03 14:18:49)
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Alright, do you have a link to the thread jonathon? Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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Re: Halo 3 and the REAL Next-Gen debate!
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on 2006-09-03 14:17:09 |
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@Feo- I have no clue why he was banned.I want to know myself, he was going to leave to go to the other forum anyway, but I want to know if he did something to get himself banned on purpose or something else. Also there is already a topic discussing Halo 3 as a game, so discussing it here will just be repeating a topic. |
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by Feo Muchacho
on 2006-09-03 14:02:06 (edited 2006-09-03 14:09:08)
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What? Shishios been banned! How could this happen? Now who am I going to talk about xbox related games with? Well guess I should start talking about games made by nintendo and sony, since I have all three :) P.S: I still think this thread should also include discussions concerning Halo 3 as a game and not as a tool that microsoft will use, I think the console war debate has gone on long enough for now. When the Wii and PS3 come out in two months then the debate can begin because we will have had experience rateher than speculation on the systems we're fighting over. Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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on 2006-09-03 12:10:23 |
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@Dragoon- Don't leave. I already said I'm not a halo or xbox backer, I was only saying that to make the point so that things never got out of hand. Besides, Shishio has been banned now so we've lost a good debate guy. We still need people for good discussions. |
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I'll take the hit darksamurai about the 8 year old kid, my only thing to say is that he got "help" from his dad one of the reasons why he's so good, there are just some of those gifted people out there who do surpass adults. Sports, academics, gaming, the works. I won't deny it, my friend's cousin was already at a university level of knowledge by the time he was around 8. You've just packed my bags, time to get out. As for the part where you said: "By comparison, the PlayStation 2 cost 39,800 yen ($364) in Japan and $299 in America when it launched in 2000. During its first year of release, Sony Computer Entertainment suffered a loss of 51.1 billion yen ($458 million), but it recovered the next year with a profit of 82.9 billion yen ($759 million), followed by 112.6 billion yen ($1.03 billion) the year after. It is normal for game companies to take a loss on hardware whenever a new console launches, since they typically focus on acquiring market share rather than generating a profit during the first year. During the second year and afterward, they can recover the losses with the savings that come from mass production and with licensing fees from publishers." My point was, Microsoft lost FOUR BILLION dollars. No one said anything about Sony. If Sony couldn't make FOUR BILLION dollars, then I'm quite sure Xbox could not make a profit. If you lose four billion dollars just from the system, there's no way in hell you could make that all back. Well looks like my presence will not be seen the likes of here anymore, good day. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-09-02 03:26:24
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Re: Halo 3 and the REAL Next-Gen debate!
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on 2006-09-02 03:22:28 |
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I never said price never had an impact, of course it does. @Shishio- You used my line to try and debate against me.XD "Bottom Line: Price is not everything everyone says it is. If it was the Gamecube would be flying off the selves"- This was my line a few posts back.lol and no Dragoon, don't stop posting here because of that. Like I said, I'm no Halo or XBox backer and couldn't care less about them. I just saw that kid on TV once and as for the other thing, it seemed that things would get out of hand if it didn't end so I ended it. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-09-02 01:01:03 (edited 2006-09-02 01:02:10)
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Oh yeah, lil' Poison's 8 years old now! It's been two years... Dragoon does know a lot though, I would find it hard to believe there are six year old champions if I had not seen it with my own eyes, too. But don't stop posting, this site needs people to keep the forums alive and to argue! It is always a good thing and challenges our minds and keeps us thinking. But of course, I never overexaggerate or pull stories out of my ass, I have been to the U.S. National Tournaments for Halo, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, Tekken, Marvel, and even Mario Kart. I am a professional gamer, I revolve my life around becoming a Guilty Gear Champion, a hard, lonely road that requires a lot of moving and discipline. I got the honor of playing on stage before though and actually winning against US champions on some occasions, and these few moments are what an entire year's training lead up to. (unfortunatly, it's still not enough for the finals :p ). So I do know what I'm talkng about when it comes to games, at least on the tournament scene. I've seen little kids at these events making fools out of grown men, including Harry Potter, a thirteen year old who made it into the Marvel Vs Capcom 2 Finals, one of the absolute hardest games to play competively, period. Anyhow, I will change the name to "Halo 3 and the Next-gen debate" Back to Halo and the 360: Gears of war is picking up steam, and it is the first legitimate shooter IMO, since it relies more on FPS "skill" and not chance/circle strafing/and glitches. This game could be really important as well as big AND fun. Also, I have to say Johnathon that price does have a small impact on a system's sale. Now, if price were everything, Gamecube would have been flying off the shelves. But Gamecube had no major games as Halo 3, and now with 360 we have a cheap system with good games, and one of the most anticipated and popular ones at that. 360's chance and problaby plan. I am starting to want one now after playing DOA4 and seeing GoW. And if Halo 3 provides the long awaited intergaltic war game, something we've dreamed about since we were little! |
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on 2006-09-01 18:44:51 (edited 2006-09-01 21:17:51)
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Please note I am not a fan of Halo or XBox and couldn't care less about either of them, but I feel I should end this now before you two start argueing and someone makes a comment they will regret. So for better or worse here it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This I find humorous, six year olds champions? Give me a break, their minds aren't built enough to be able to be "champions", you're over exaggerating here. Show me a video of a six year old child owning a 14 year old, if you can provide this I'll shut my mouth and never post here again. Maybe YOU should think a little bit before insulting other peoples knowledge. Honestly..a 6 year old being a "champion".." @Dragoon- Well not to burst your bubble but there is a kid who owns people on Halo. You wanted it so here you go: "Victor De Leon III is an eight year old certified professional Halo player who already has enough money saved up to pay for college from his game playing. De Leon, known as Lil Poison played his first tournament at age four and is now the youngest pro gamer in the world. He started gaming at the age of two." Link to site. If you still don't believe me then search the net for this kid. You'll find more and more stories on him, also I've seen him play on "Attack of the Show" on Tech TV once. Kid is good. Anyway, here's one of the news articles: http://forums.cheatcc.com/blogs/news_by_lindsay/archive/2006/07/14/254694.aspx So Shishio , hope you don't mind me using your pic here for a sec.  Dragoon- "Also, the money you lose from the system does matter, you lose 4 billion dollars, you think just from "licensing" you can make that back? You have a lot to learn then, if a company could make that much money back, Nintendo wouldn't have been in the situation they were in years back." Well here: From Gamespot.com "By comparison, the PlayStation 2 cost 39,800 yen ($364) in Japan and $299 in America when it launched in 2000. During its first year of release, Sony Computer Entertainment suffered a loss of 51.1 billion yen ($458 million), but it recovered the next year with a profit of 82.9 billion yen ($759 million), followed by 112.6 billion yen ($1.03 billion) the year after. It is normal for game companies to take a loss on hardware whenever a new console launches, since they typically focus on acquiring market share rather than generating a profit during the first year. During the second year and afterward, they can recover the losses with the savings that come from mass production and with licensing fees from publishers." It seems your the one with a lot to learn. I stated this is one of my posts not to long ago, this is where I got that info from. So hope you don't mind again Shishio. |
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Well Feo, to tell you the truth I have never played a Halo game, I'm one of the traditional gamers, not really into FPS, which you could probably say is why I'm not the most fond of Halo. Although, I have played 007 Golden Eye, which is one of the best FPS in the world, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but after Rare stopped making them, it went downfall from there as EA could not accomplish excellency "Dragoon, no offense, but you DON'T have a refined knowledge of what you're talking about though, Halo 2 was rampant with little kids when I played it! We saw a lot of them on Halo 2, along with all the teenagers too! My old bosses six year old plays Halo as well, and is plus level 30! Any Halo player can tell you that the game is rampant with little annoying brats, even some champions are as young as six years old! Maybe you should actually play the game before making broad generalizations!" This I find humorous, six year olds champions? Give me a break, their minds aren't built enough to be able to be "champions", you're over exaggerating here. Show me a video of a six year old child owning a 14 year old, if you can provide this I'll shut my mouth and never post here again. Maybe YOU should think a little bit before insulting other peoples knowledge. Honestly..a 6 year old being a "champion".. Castlevania: Lament of Innocence also received SOME negative feedback, and by the way, by par I meant what I normally expect in Castlevania games such as Aria of Sorrow. You'd know what I mean if you played Aria/Dawn of Sorrow. Anyways, the negative feedback from players was, controls (well this could be said for all games), the length of the game was too short, and (my friends tell me) it's too easy. Hopefully the PS3 carnation of Castlevania will be as good as it sounds. As for the part where how they continue to make new games, of course they will, thats a given, you wouldn't be a very good company if you gave up after one try. It does matter if the PS3 does malfunction actually, it costs the company millions of dollars to replace and repair parts, look at it from Sony's perspective, not a player's. Also, the money you lose from the system does matter, you lose 4 billion dollars, you think just from "licensing" you can make that back? You have a lot to learn then, if a company could make that much money back, Nintendo wouldn't have been in the situation they were in years back. A person who does whatever it takes to get the system they want is not a true gamer..that means they are fanboys. Prove me wrong. "I'm going to search about how much money Microsoft lost exactly, because you failed to mention how much money they lost system-wise versus gains licensing-wise, which is what I was asking about. All systems lose money, it's the licensing where they gain profit, look at the above paragraph! I can't search for every article, but you problaby had one, I was just asking you for proof here!" Nope, I gave you direct websites to search for, message boards, articles, the works. I gave you the proof you wanted, I'm not going to give you direct links just because you're too lazy to search yourself. I may have posted this in another topic but, PS3 games are rumored to be 80 dollars a piece, costly...of course you'll just counter with "you can save up your money" but that's not the point, the point is, think about the money you spend over time, I have around 35 PS2 games, possibly the amount of PS3 games I'll have, 35 times 80, that's 2800 dollars. It's inevitable that PS3 and its games will sell but, hopefully it doesn't leave you with an empty wallet. Again, stop thinking about yourself, I knew some people who barely even had enough money to keep themselves off the street, and yes they had a job. Where I live, for just an apartment is a bit overpriced due to the enormous population increase, a normal person would have trouble keeping up with the PS3 and keeping himself inside a home. |
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@Feo- I don't believe we bashed anyone for the system they chose. @Shishio- I think you should change this to the console debate. We've pretty muched ended the Halo winning the war debate. I'm going to search for a next gen console debate here. There isn't much left to say about Halo 3, we're just restating points that have already been made. |
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by Feo Muchacho
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I think we should be talking more about halo 3 and less about the console wars. In the end each person has already decided who's side they're on and can sum up why with a bunch of dumb reasons and pointless facts. If you like to game thats fine, game just don't go bashing other people because they dont agree with you. I personally cant back the PS3 which doesnt mean I hate the system, I hate the wat sony has presented it, also I really want one! With this though I still love microsoft and Halo and nintedo. There are great games on all three systems, so chose which ones you want and play! Its as simple as that. So about halo three, from what i've heard the A.I is a much better driver and is less prone to run into walls repeadetly. Also theres something much bigger than a grunt thats got everyone at bunjie scared. Can anyone say juggernaut FLOOD! FEO Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-09-01 14:56:33
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on 2006-09-01 14:17:46 (edited 2006-09-01 14:41:17)
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The other thing about the PS3 is that your also getting a Blu-Ray player for movies and things, this is a good deal seeing as how Blu-Ray players are of a high price. The first Blu-Ray player from Samsung cost 999$. So really that's another upside to the PS3, especially if Blu-Ray begins to replace conventional DVD's and CD's. PS: Sony is supposed to be releasing writable Blu-Ray discs here soon. An example of the space Blu-Ray can hold is about 4 hours of HD quality video. That sounds like a format I would want. Also just off topic here a little, but does anyone else feel like this Blu-Ray/HD-DVD thing is coming on us too fast? I mean I only know 1 or 2 people with a HD-TV. Seems like their pushing these two new formats way too fast when it comes to movies. |
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^Hmm...I agree wholeheartedly to that statement...I think it comes down more to games and maybe some help with 1st party games. Many analysts still hold their position saying that Sony still be the dominant company this coming generation even with the 500, 600 price tag. Most people don't really know just how large Sony's fanbase is. Although some have swayed from one side to another, the strength of Sony's fanbase is still incredible. People loved the ps1 and ps2...so I wouldn't be surprised to see the ps3 doing just as well. As I've said before, Nintendo is trying to grab in the casual gamer and is trying to appease to them with their innovative aspects for the Wii. Whether it works or not...only time will tell. As for the ps3 price, most people can afford it. That's why many who just think "price, price..." are really just trying to make an excuse. Sure, the ps3 isn't perfect, but then again, which console is? The only reasons I see as logical for not getting a ps3 is: ~Games for that console just don't appeal to that person ~Is not a very committed person to the price and won't be playing the ps3 a lot (this is probably when the Wii will step in and grab in those casual types of gamers) ~Possibly price of each game? I really haven't researched much into the price of each ps3 game, however, I think it would be 60$...not sure though PS: Found an interesting article about "Possible Leaked Info" at TGS for Sony. I'm pretty skeptical...but most of the stuff might come true. Anyways, here's the article: http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=559139 As for CONFIRMED info...there are: ~27 Playable Games which includes DMC 4 ~Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII Trailers (good news for me since I'm a rpg fanatic) Microsoft: ~Bringing it home campaign (lots of playable demos and trailers and of course some arcade games to show off some Online stuff) Looks really good for both companies so far =) If you're wondering about nintendo, they usually don't participate in TGS...but give "keynote speeches" which is like a press conference basically releasing info about their product, games, and future plans. |
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on 2006-09-01 06:14:01 (edited 2006-09-01 06:31:06)
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Same as Shishio said, except I'll expand on it a bit. ALL companies lose money on their consoles in the first year or so, that's a give in. It's because they set the price lower than the production cost so that people will buy more of it and they can establish a base. Sony for example lost billion/millions after releasing it's system in the first year, but in the second year after licensing etc they made well over what they lost the first year. Ever hear of the saying "You've got to spend money to make money."? That applies here. When companies release products such as this [game systems] they aren't looking to make a profit the first year, in fact they don't really expect to considering all the money they've put into research and development and selling it for under production costs, but after they have acquired licensing, support and less expensive production costs. So they usually tend to make money the second year or so. Whether XBox never earned a profit or not doesn't really matter now that we've entered the next generation. I'm just agreeing with Shishio to say that price won't be a huge factor in this like everyone says it will be. That's the ONLY thing I'm hearing from people about the PS3, price, price, price, price, I didn't hear people complaining like this when the PS2 came out, or the PS1 for that matter. The PS1 sold for about 350-400 compared to the N64's price of about 150-200. When the PS2 came out, it cost 500$, people still bought it, a lot of it. Bottom Line: Price is not everything everyone says it is. If it was the Gamecube would be flying off the selves while the PS2 sat in the dark. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-08-31 20:54:34 (edited 2006-08-31 20:59:40)
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Lament of Innocence wasn't up to par? And the 2D is the heart of the game? Well, then I'm sure that's why they are bringing Castlevania to PS3, and why they make new ones. Maybe you thought it was under par, but a lot of us enjoyed it! Otherwise we wouldn't be looking forward to the next one, or have purchased the new one! It's too bad you found it under par, you didn't have the same experience the rest of us had, it was really good, I enjoyed it just as much as the originals, I think many, I'm not ssayng you, but many let these external factors like "2D will always be better" and "I don't have time for a second job", etc., hold them back from the experience they want! Dragoon, no offense, but you DON'T have a refined knowledge of what you're talking about though, Halo 2 was rampant with little kids when I played it! We saw a lot of them on Halo 2, along with all the teenagers too! My old bosses six year old plays Halo as well, and is plus level 30! Any Halo player can tell you that the game is rampant with little annoying brats, even some champions are as young as six years old! Maybe you should actually play the game before making broad generalizations! Halo fans, can you confirm you've seen a lot of little kids on Halo as well? If so, it proves my point that Halo has a KID fanbase, maybe not in good Christian homes, but in the intercity, and the homes of spoiled rich kids, and laid bakc middle class families, Halo is VERY big among kids. So a PS3 malfunctions, so what? It's not going to make us look forward any less to the games. That's why we're commited to the price anyways. That is what this is about, we wouldn't be paying $700 for graphics and such, it's for the games! If Castlevania, Tekken, FF and many others went to Wii, I'd be there for sure. BTW if someone has $300 to blow on a new system (Wii), they hopefully haven't been scrounging and saving that for years. My point? Wait several months, set aside the same amount of money for a PS3. It's about two Wiis, and you'll experience the games now! If you're willing to wait a few years, you win anyhow. It's not the malfunctions/lack of systems which hurt 360, it's the lck of games obviously. You make this too much about external factors and not games, they are always the core of a system's value, always. If games were interchangable, the Wii would lead without question, but there is a debate. I'm going to search about how much money Microsoft lost exactly, because you failed to mention how much money they lost system-wise versus gains licensing-wise, which is what I was asking about. All systems lose money, it's the licensing where they gain profit, look at the above paragraph! I can't search for every article, but you problaby had one, I was just asking you for proof here! And a true gamer wouldn't let circumstances hold him back from having the system of choice, as I said, wait several months, save; if you could afford $300, you can problaby save for a PS3 as well. BTW no one actually emphasizes grapics over gameplay, otherwise games like Halo 2, FF, and others that emphasize story wouldn't outsell so many crappy games! We look forward to FF13, Tekken 6, VF5, Halo 3, Twilight Princess because of story and gameplay, the graphics are a nice plus, and a very neccessary plus! I want better graphics every game, it's a given, but it's the gameplay/story we all focus on first! Let's bury this argument and focus on the real issues at hand! |
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by Feo Muchacho
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I would like to ask you dragoon if you've played the original Halo. I've played final fantasy games so i'm just wondering. If you havent you should the story is actually pretty engrossing for an FPS. If you dont have an x box buy the PC version, and also halo 2 for the windows vista is coming out soon. I would reccomend checking that out too, the story's pretty could although some argue its not as good as the first. Im not one of these people. I totally agree with you about graphics. Too many people place graphics over gameplay and story which are really the most important things in a game. All us gamers just need to get along :) United we Stand! Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |