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Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by jejechi on 2009-08-11 07:55:56 (edited 2009-08-11 08:09:34)
darky-san said:

[Computer club geeks ideas]
Assigned to Jeje, right? 5 people...
My thoughts:
maybe all guys since they are bullied around and such. (I don't like girls being bullied pffft)
More or less there should be 3-4 of them to wear glasses. At least 1 should be fat. Some of them should look real stressed and haggard xD


lol it's my ideas 2 XD

btw, i thought they are 2 girls and 3 boys.. is it ok??

PS for ugo-san: i'll made it ASAP !! XD




darky-san's sketches awesome XD
and no, it doesn't bad at all XD
i like it XD

btw, we have same style on Lax XD
i draw it today for style, but we have same style XD lol

this week i'll post it here lol XD


ok.. my opinion is:

[Lax's part]

Lax's bag is too... stylish for a computer maniac (lol), we should just put 1 pin there..
and make it more mess lol XD
but clean :D

the glasses... yesh, it must thick lol XD
but just use the simple frame... for bulid the cool-image on Lax ^^

the hair! it's cool! XD
but make it cooler, just add some little hair for soft effect... XD

can you make Lax not smiling? :D
it's more cool i think XD
(for the ladies of course lol :p)


[Tyson's part]

hmm... the same watch lol XD

i think he's a simple person, so... i draw it simple :p
but it's ok to add more accent ^^ and yours is cool XD
but dont put a belt there DX
it's cooler if there's no belt XDDD

hmm... i cant comment on tyson... there's too far than my sketch.. T^T
darky-san's is very cool... so...

-no comment- XD


[Aya's part]

Aya is very cute XD
i like the design, and -no comment- again XD



@darky-san: sorry for my opinion and comments DX
maybe it's too hard to take it T^T
i'm sorry if my opinions and comments make you mad or something.... <:



btw
i thought this VN was eastern version lol XD
but it's western version XD

i usually draw manga, the japanese version, so i have to adaptating with the arts here XD
but it's fun, i getting learn more about drawing XD

i hope there's a... no. just a little japanese accent of art, so i can adaptating more T^T



@darky-san: when you're usually online? i'll try to on that time >:



@Ugo-san: ok! i'll make it ASAP XD
I'll remember the 3 things XD
that's my idea too XD lol

ganbatte, Ugo-san!! XD
i'll support you!! XD



that's should enough. XD
lol

ok... i'll work from now... XD

thanks for the work lol XD



boku wa kitto ganbarimasu kara! issho genbei ni XD



Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by Terror on 2009-08-11 09:49:28
"i thought this VN was eastern version lol XD
but it's western version XD"

@je: Well, it's the East Coast of the US which is in the West. xD Plus, we're pulling people from a anime forum so I assume that even the story witting will contain some common "Japanese elements", etc. Plus, we're using a Japanese group name, so I think any player might expect some "je's" (lol) in the game.


@dark: hmm...

Lax: Now I don't know all too much about the characters (>_> eh...), but I like Lax's overall style (especially the "Blaze" cut, lol [don't mind that reference]). Personally though, I think he could use different glasses (frames). It like he's made (in the sketch) to be a "stylish geek", and those glasses kind of pull away from that style.

Aya: Kawaii... Anways, I personally don't like the ribbon in the hair. >_< That just me, but maybe try putting it on her right side to "balance" it with the one on the skirt (or move the skirt bow, yeah).

Ty: Hmm, simple and a "brand slave" eh? xD I can see it. He looks alright (ie. I dont have anything wrong with it, >_<), but after seeing him and Lax/Aya, I get the familiar feeling of "Persona". xD


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-11 18:27:26
@Darky- I'm heading the Website team. If you would like to have your own Progress Log then we can make that happen. The main Progress Log page however is just for general news on advancements in the Project.

Ugo has suggested a few things, so we're going to try and add those after all the main work is done. Shuyin was out of service for a while, and Sayu just got back, so we should be moving alone much faster starting tomorrow.

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Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by Dark on 2009-08-12 01:30:06
Hmm... okay just passing by to see the comments xD

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@Jeje:
I'm on at random times for the moment, so I cannot guarantee a definite time I would be on. Sorry >_<
Also I'm pretty sure the game would still have japanese influenced content here and there, I'm planning to add them anyways xD

[Replies to comments of drafts]
> Aya :
Thanks xD

>Ty :
Yeah the belt... I don't really have a proper fashion sense, you see xD Thanks for pointing that out. xD
Pffft thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it.

>Lax:
For pins, I planned adding random fandom pins like from comics, anime, and whatnot. Maybe I should have done that in moderation xD
For the frame of the glasses, I have no idea how to draw them just yet... these are the only ones I could draw that time... I'll get to studying eye wear after my tests xD I kinda like how I did the hair, but this is just a draft, we'll see what would develop on later.
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@Terror:
[Replies to drafts]
>Aya :
Oh yeah the skirt ribbon is placed at wrong side , my bad xD For the hair ribbon, I might chenge if a better accessory comes into mind... I just don't want to leave Aya's hair to be just that plain xD

>Ty :
Brand slave, yes. Simple? not what I was going for... I lack knowledge of these things xD I only know what I know here xD
Persona? lol xD

>Lax :
yeah the frames would have to change xD


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by Terror on 2009-08-14 13:41:23 (edited 2009-08-14 20:43:54)
@Dark: Just to be clear, I mentioned "brand slave" as the same symbol appears everywhere on him, kind of like how people buy clothes based on a certain brand's name or to fit a style. >_> Hard to explain as I tend to not be one of these people, but I sure know a lot who are...

Looks like the website has been updated again. ;3 Looking better.

Btw, Shuyin has the "VA" twicetwice on the staff page and I think (unless I still confused Ugo on the subject) I'm the head of VA. >_<


(Also, I have school starting the 25th, unless they strike... >_> Well, I still have to cover it I guess for YB.)


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-15 17:32:46
@Terror- Apologies. We'll fix that. When I was filling in the staff page I went mostly with what Ugo had on the first post, I wasn't sure if she had officially made you head of VA.

I haven't heard from Shuyin or Sayu in a while, I was hoping they could start with Darky's request to have individual Department Progress Logs. I'm feeling kind of under the weather in more ways than one right now.-_-

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Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by jejechi on 2009-08-15 23:13:39
hi all :3

lol

ok...
this is my style of lax lol
it's really2 sucks.. T^T


^Current Size: 1512*2374px ; size: 343kb

it's sucks huh? lol XD

i hope you all like it XD

i'll made the computer hacking club again.. so chao ;D

Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-16 08:46:55
Sorry for taking so long to post... eheheh.

@ Darky

Well as late as it is, here's my input:

Lax: Just about the same thing as everyone. The glasses would probably fit him better if they where more of a I'd say normal rectangular style. As for his eyes, I'd say it wouldn't hurt to try to make them the more narrower styled eyes.

Lax has a side that gets embarrassed, but he also has a broader side that's fighting against the computer hacking club, keeping s straight face when turning down girls, and dealing with Aya's condition. we wouldn't want him to seem angry and distressed all the time, so it would be good to go for an overall soft expression. I think the eyes in the side view caught the idea.

Nonetheless, I liked it!

Aya:

Lets see now. Aya looked really cute in the 3/4's view. I mistook the ribbon on her air for strands of hair, which gave her hair a "blown by the wind" effect. ^^

For ribbon placement, I think the bowtie on her head is a bit big. The plain headband is still used by girls where I live. For customization, you could go for a custom design headband (it's still possible to do with bangs). Alternatively you could just have double ribbons that are a bit smaller. Aya's bowtie appears to be the biggest defining point for her character swaign, so make sure to place it well and not make it so big it would look unreal. As it is right now the bow looks "heavy" on her head. You should either go for making the bow a lighter/thinner cloth and/or make the bow smaller.

Tyson:

Despite all the comments before, I honestly like how Tyson is now. The design fits the character perfectly (especially the face)

Mokona-chan should have some other things to say "since she's writing his arc" but I think she's a bit busy with life now. ^^'

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If you mean storyboards as in what types of special cg's and whatnot to use, then at the moment the available thing to go for would be my ending entry for the VN contest. (you can find it in the index of entries in the Writer's Club/Guild.) does that work for the time being or...?

@ Jejechi: Now now- it's alright to admit you need work but it's not good if you put yourself down all the time. My biggest thing with your art is in how the face is a bit smallish compared to the amount hair takes up. (Might I suggest letting the face toake up more of the head?)

Might I suggest asking Darky-san for pointer? He's got a better grasp on art that I do in my opinion... ^^'

@ Jonathan and Terror: Sorries, yeah- Terror is head of VA. Also, there isnt any "Head of Coding" as basil didnt want such a hierarchy with only sparse memebers. (I'll edit the OP post asap)


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by jejechi on 2009-08-18 00:11:42
ok.

@ugo-san: i'm sorry T^T
i'll practice more hard, and i'll try to not put my self down... :D

Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-18 12:35:08
Sayu apparently hasn't been on since the 10th and Shuyin hasn't gotten back to me yet, so I'm going to try and get back to the site to make those minor changes since I'm feeling marginally better than before.

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Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by You're Not Alone! on 2009-08-19 13:23:18
I'm back around off and on, I haven't been at the house much
as of late to work on getting with college counselors and stuff.


Anyway, Do me a favor and PM me any specific updates you'd like
me to throw on the website. While I'm not having too much time atm
to check out all the forums and such, I can check my PM pretty quick.


Sorry things keep coming up, Jonathan u-u;


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-20 12:44:50
Hmm, just been flicking through some of the posts~

Good job everyone!!

Ugo has been working really hard! She's PM-ed me and helped me loads with my work and getting me to shift my lazy arse into gear ^^

(Sorry if i've missed anyone, but here goes!)

Darky: Great sketches! I think your ideas are coming together really neatly! And I think you've pretty much nailed the ideas for the design of the characters :) especially the top-right hand corner ideas- they're great!

As for Tyson, well, i don't have much to say- I know they're just sketches, so you'll probably neaten it up in time- so not much to comment about from me- good job!

Jejechi: Your sketches are really good too! From your post... I take it you're gonna do some designs/sketches for the Hacking Club members (sorry if i'm wrong)? And well, if you have got some more spare time- a few character designs for Aya's friends e.g. Sarah and Anson :) - and is anyone gonna do poor old Uncle Sam? Plus, a few odd background characters (maybe silhouettes) for School-Corridor scenes, but i dunno if we'll have all that fuss and detail..

Your sketch does not suck! >< I'm with anyone on the stickman stage :P I can't do any better =='

Maiku: thanks for the random support lol xD

Shuyin: Don't feel bad :(

Ugo: *pokes and runs away*~

Terror: Great idea with the sound/voice clip for menu options! And same with Ugo's idea to make it a bit humorous ^^

p.s: I know i might have replied to people in a random order- (plus i'm mega late) so please bare with me minna :P

And Ganbatte!!~


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-20 13:23:54
@Shuyin- It's alright, I've been out of it for about two weeks myself.^^; I still kind of am, not fully better yet, at least not emotionally/mentally.

I'll send a PM to you shortly. I guess if you can you should get started on that 'Department Progress Log' thing Darky wants, but whether or not that will work depends on if we can get feedback from Department Heads (either here or through PM) as to any progress they make. I'm just waiting on Ugo and Makona to finish a story outline for the 'Story' section of the page (since Ugo didn't want me to just copy/paste off the first post), so when that is done I'll be proofreading it and getting that in.

There isn't much else I can suggest right now. All I can tell you is that once again, if you see anything missing or something you think we should have, then go right ahead and add it. Feel free to proofread and edit anything on the pages as well if you see an error (seeing as how I made one and didn't realize it until it was pointed out by someone else).

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Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-20 22:34:28 (edited 2009-08-20 22:34:58)
@ All: Yo minna. I know some of you guys posted me back.... I havent been able get get to replies as fast as I used... but if your post had a question or the like I'll reply back as soon as I can.

I'm available this Saturday at the standard 2PM (GMT) for anything that needs discussion via IM on windows live. Just send me a message if there's something to be asked or just to say hi. I'll launder around for an hour or go offline if no one messages.

@ Jonathan and Shuyin: Well for the time being I'm content with the site. Probably the only Also... I'll be online at the normal really notable changes in the future will be things such as adding in more for the music and art sections (Make sure to credit the different artists for the respective fields)

I just PM'd mokona on the thing related to story. So that should come in soon.

@ All Again:

More information will be edited and added as time goes by. (such as, when we get Karuzo's story proposal in). As well as the progress logs. For that, everyone please just submit anything you believe is worth reporting on to the website team for submission. (Would this work Website team?)

@ Mokona: *Presses button and drops a Blue Whale on her house*

@ Jejechi: *pats head*


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by Dark on 2009-08-21 04:40:21
I got to talk a bit with Jeje today, I hope we talk again like that more often :)
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Passing by with a sketch... I did this to relieve some tension...
Some revisions to Aya's design plus her bag



in the sprites, I was thinking something like a mix and match thing...
Maybe We'll prepare 2 tops, 2 pants/skirt, jacket, and random acessories
making more possible combinations... but is it possible to randomize this kind of stuff?

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Studying anatomy is damn fun yet hard but still all fun xD I'm learning tons! too bad I can;t focus myself into it because of
my projects still due >_<


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by Terror on 2009-08-21 08:24:53
"@ Mokona: *Presses button and drops a Blue Whale on her house*

Ahahaha.

"Studying anatomy is damn fun yet hard but still all fun xD"

It would be a lot more fun if you did a more "up close and personal" study of anatomy. lol *whistle*

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@Darky: :O Kawaii... Yes, I say having multiple outfits would be preferable, but you have to remember you're probably going to need to make all the emotional sprites twice+ for each combination. <_< Also, as a random comment, I get a slight "Haruhi Suzu" vibe from this drawing, lol.


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by sharpenter27 on 2009-08-22 13:16:46
It's been a while, and I reckon the Coding Dept. still is in standby. Might remain like that for an indefinite length if there are still no takers for coding positions, as I am to start my post-secondary education on the 31st.

I'll try to squeeze in my Ren'Py studies in between sessions of Java coding.

Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by on 2009-08-27 06:11:40
@ All: This is a really rushed message so I didnt have time to write out other responses (will edit in though) Just FYI, there's a planned IM meeting This Saturday for those interested. Mostly dedicated towards storyline. Usual time at 3 Pm GMT.


Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by karuzo on 2009-08-30 08:07:56
@Dark-

character sprite description

1. white haired [shoulder length]
2. feminine looking
3. semi serious eyes

4. wait for a minute...
5. wait for a minute...

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Re: Gendou - Visual Novel Project
Link | by Terror on 2009-08-30 11:19:49
Alright, after looking over an example from Mokona to check the basic coding script, I noticed something she(?) did that could really be of use to the rest of the arc writers.

Simply put, the example focused on the actions of Tyson as we was waking up one morning to the sound of the door opening downstairs. The player is given a choice to either check out who it was or go back to sleep. While Mokona's ending to the choice led to the same outcome, I suggested this (more serious) scenario:

Waking up at the time Lax shows up would result in the two of them going somewhere on time and possibly seeing Aya and some time with her (ie, improving their chances of being the guy at the end). Sleeping in more would make them late to the place, either prompting them to go elsewhere or miss Aya at the location.

If you guys are planning such "drastic" events like this, then I think it would be smart to not lay all the story altering decisions solely on Aya, but rather give the player some control over the actions of the possible love interests as well. This way, their choice with the love interests could influence the overall outcome.

Or even maybe, given the above scenario as an example, give the players a chance to choose where Aya will spend her day. If we have locations A, B, and C, we could say that if the player decided for Aya to go to B and later had Tyson get up on time, the two would meet (regardless of the first choice with Aya, always show the events with Tyson). If Aya goes to A then she wouldn't meet the other two as let's say Ty/Lax wouldn't go there regardless and she meets up with someone else. If Aya goes to C and Tyson sleeps in, then let's say they meet in "passing" but nothing too substantial happens and she ultimately goes with someone else. (If that's too hard to follow, I have a flowchart I could share, lol. I was even confusing myself. <_<)

Condensed, try and use "multi-decision-logic" where two or more choices (by two different characters I suggest) influence the outcome of an event. This makes playing a given section that much more interesting as not you have "6" outcomes instead of say 2 or 3.

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One other thing, if the writers want to try something like this, then I suggest you get something like a timeline set up so you can coordinate all the different possible meetings and match ups (though I think I'm trying to suggest everything to make "a perfect VN", which is really hard when we can't all be in one room and talk this stuff over in person. >_< Oh well.

Oh look, 2 walls in like 45 minutes...fun...


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