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.... <-- very lost at various input by members. 'Life' is a weird thing. No inteligent being can by their own hands create it. The only place it seems to be created from is a womb. Therefore, I guess it IS rather precious. Depending on.. biological, social and psychological background (and whatever else I'm missing), it effects how a person 'calculates' the valuse of his/her life. Not all rape victims become members of the Preservation of the Rights of Women and Children Organization. Or jump off a building. Or turn psychopath serial rapist killer. Some orphans try to lead a 'normal' life, they strugle but live. Some grow up, their identity gets lost and.. *bang bang*, down the grave. If you want to point your stand on wether suicide is right or wrong, it really up to you. Keep in mind what you say *coughinforumsetccough* effects others. It either changes their pov a little or down right pisses them off. It's a sensetive issue. |
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Wow...you are very right, Ryu. He's lucky to have a friend like you. I would slap him too, hehe... I don't think suicide is right, if that's what you're trying to ask for opinion on. Just ending your life without trying to solve your problems is not what life is for. Life is for overcoming those problems, and if you just kill yourself without facing them, why was life given to you in the first place?? |
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Well, your life is something that belongs to you alone. If someone wants to commit suicide, I'll tell them why I think it's unwise but I'm not going to stop them and no one can judge them when they're dead. As for why it's unwise, you should assume you only have one life. Even if that life sucks really bad, there's always a chance, even if slight, that something happens in the future that makes your life worth living. When you're dead none of the suffering you had to endure in life will matter anyway. When you've killed yourself you have thrown away free potential and opportunity. There's much to lose by dying but nothing to lose by living. |
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on 2007-02-20 02:01:10 |
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I agree w/ Aramis. Life is something that you and only yourself! Suicide is rather really a very "dumb" thing to do. For me,people doing and attempting to do suicide are rather immature people. They don't realize how precious life can be. What I mean is... Your parents and everybody around you do stuff to give you everything then you do this to them? Rather has no sense of responsibility I may say? SUICIDE-DEATH-END.. These terms goes altogether.. And keeping them in mind won't help you a bit! NOBODY must take your life. Even YOU. Though life has some really rough and unwanted features, it is not nice or satisfying to kill oneself for your own benefit. You are rather just thinking of yourself even if the purpose has something to do w/ somebody else! All I wanna say is.. to LIVE is everything.  |
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~ "why don't you try to be in their shoes?" I think everyone (or almost everyone) have thought about committing suicide. I also felt very depressed that I feel that I could just die. I feel like I'm dying because of it but I'll never end up in taking my own life. I always tell myself to smile and be strong. those who commit suicide doesn't solve their problems, they just escape from it. but will it be really ok that you will die with regrets? everyone hates you? school sucks? your life is a mess? your scared of what other people will say? so what?!? screw all of that! you live your own life and no one has the right to make you inferior! you have your own choice and decision on how you will live and cope with your life today!  |
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on 2007-02-20 10:28:42 (edited 2007-02-20 10:29:40)
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I don't believe that people who commit suicide as immature, but more or less cowardly. If they refuse to accept life's challenges, they look for the easiest way out which is suicide. Your arguement of "be in their shoes" is prettyy good, but face it, every teen has their issues, and the best thing to do would be to endure. Divorce, feuds, or just plain life is difficult, but that's why you have friends and trustworthy family. If ya can't deal with family, move in with your friend(s). Don't just immediately resort to suicide, alternatives are always available. I should know, suicide was always a priority when I couldn't fight off anything that life threw at me. But alternatives always eventually popped up. Life is horrible, life is deadly, life is...well...life. Endurance gives you experience, and experience gives you joy and joy gives you happiness and happiness gives you eternity. What does suicide offer? depending how you look at it, Suicide can be a good and bad thing, bad being your just dead, you don't have fun, you're left alone in Darkness. Good that MIGHT come out of it, no more family feuds, or maybe cancel of divorce, or something else, but thing is, without you, people are sad, but they move on. Think about it this way, I'm your friend, I'm almost as depressed as you are, you commit suicide, you think I'm gonna join you? nope, for you, I'll continue living and do what you couldn't do in your name. People move on. how anyone grasped the concept of wanting attention is beyond me. Congradulations, you've got attention...for a few days, while everyone soon moves on and has years of ignoring your existance.  |
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Suicide really isn't attention grabbing. I don't think it's necessarily cowardly either, but it might depend on the circumstances. Sometimes it just depends on what the situation is over, but for my own life I haven't really had the best life. And I do think out everything pretty logically and I try to do whatever I can to keep going, but it doesn't mean I don't still think about suicide as a possible option. Life can be pretty cruel sometimes and a lot of my life has been in negative cycles, so then sometimes I think it's just that I wonder how much a human being can endure before it's too much. It's not that I don't realize that some of my friends might be sad if I'm gone, but I wouldn't do it because of that. I would do it because I'm seriously unhappy and after so many years there hasn't been much improvement. It's not that my life is completely miserable, but most of the things I have to be happy about are more material and monetary than things that are profound and fulfilling. So then I just question my existence because I wonder how long a person can live with family problems and friends that stab them in the back. It's not like I don't have good loyal friends as well, but then...it can still be tough because everyone has their own problems too and I can't be selfish and ask them to be completely dedicated and help me through everything either. You just have to do what you can on your own, but sometimes for me there are aspects that don't seem to be improving no matter what I do. It's the cards you just get dealt sometimes and it can be just pretty discouraging when even though you keep going it doesn't get better. In the end though, I really think it's up to the person to decide how much they can endure and while some people might call suicide selfish, I think that it's also rather selfish to force the person to live because you're not even thinking about how they feel about their life either. For my own life when I think about it, it's because I just want the pain to stop. I don't want to be hurt anymore and to be betrayed anymore. When I'm being more positive I always tell myself I shouldn't be so trusting of people, but it's not good to live your life not trusting anyone either and trying to balance that and constantly being betrayed anyway despite any precautions, is a very difficult reality to face and it's not like I don't try to do it anyway, but then I think that somewhere I do have a limit. It's not like I can keep going and living like that forever because that'd just be horrible not to mention unfair to me. I've also developed a heart condition from trying to deal with all the stress, so it seems like even if I do try to keep going, my body on its own is reaching its own limit as well. Emotional pain can be pretty strong and can take a severe toll on the body like that, so in some ways I view my body's response as a kind of "subconscious" suicide because it's reaching its own limit. For my own situation, it's really tough to say that things will be better just because it's dependent on other people. Granted that not everyone in the world is a jerk, but I seem to meet quite a few of them and that's not necesarily something I have full control over either. You can't always know when someone will deceive you and when they do, it's a decision they made on their own and not really something you had control over. It's not like I want to let those people win either. I'm rather stubborn in that respect as well, but again it's more like...I wonder how much more crap I can endure. How much is enough? How much is too much? How many more lemons do I have to have thrown at me before life says "OKAY. YOU DESERVE A REWARD NOW"? |
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on 2007-02-21 06:42:15 (edited 2007-02-21 06:43:17)
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But technically, you are still giving up life. For me, I couldn't care less what people did with their lives, destroy them or not is up to them. I'm not here to preach a useless subject, I'm just giving my own opinion on this. Life is cruel, and I think everyone would agree with that, but think about it. Our lives revolve around our government. Depending on where you live, the government is usualy democracy. So thinking of that, look at those pitiful sights of third world countries that devour their dead as custom, barely have food to fill their stomachs, suffering from AIDS or some other infectious disease, or anything that ranges from having a dictator forcing you to do his bidding without question or a communist officer shot you down if you're past cerfew. They take a lot of crap from Nature and their own government and people here in the U.S. have the guts to say their lives are more miserable? Ok, so your life's been down the gutter but did you bother picking yourself back up? or were you depressed beyond all reason to just stay there and stink? Your choice is yours, but for me, everytime I have a depressed moment, I come here to Gendou. I come here to reflect and have fun to cheer things up and have a great time with the community that lives here. I also reflect on those that are below civilized rank as called the Third World Countries. They have crap you can only fathom. The news media can only cover so much, but until you go there, you haven't seen true Hell on earth. Don't be so quick to judge your life and how your human limits can take it. The past was even worse. Torture and child abuse WERE legal back then. Also, if you can't succeed in something you do, quit. Rather go for a different thing, a different path. Life is that way...no matter how much I, myself, hate it. Life has multiple paths that leads you to the same, or different goals you set for yourself. What suicide people tell me is that there is a road block in front of me and I am too lazy to take another path or just move for that matter. Life is life, endure, embrace, find alternatives. |
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on 2007-02-21 06:53:19 |
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-Death is release, Life is a prison- Dawn of war quotation of Space Marine for me those people who commit Suicide feel that hey were helpless or just they cannot understand the challenges of this life.... But there are also pros and cons of this Try to understand this life and you will understand the joy and pain of this world PM me if you need an advice  --> |
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Life can never be understood...(I think) Unless you can predict your future... I myself am seeking death sometimes. Either out of curiousity or feeling of extreme guilt. I tend to ask myself this..."What will happen to me after I die?" "will it be like sleeping?" "Am i gonna burn in Hell?" Things like that. Although when I'm about to kill myself, I always hesitate. Scared or something else...? I don't know. |
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@~suzaku_goddess 'He'? o.O He who where?? lol.. I've never been good at life questions. -_-' @~Ryochin What if all that's keeping you alive is dependency on other's money and house? And you aren't working + have a mental disorder? People don't trust you and even complete strangers either mock or try to take advantage of you from time to time? Though these aren't reasons to kick the can, they would be *supremely* annoying. -.- @~Yoshi [huggle] PM me anytime. We're in the same boat.. sorta. -.- At least you have IRL friends. I don't. Not one. lolz.. Seriously though. If what you describe is true, this kind of constant depression is NO GOOD. It's dangerous and potentially life threatening depending on the degree. Ja, don't give up. Whatever your reason. Like I said. It isn't something that can be reproduced/repeated. (Karma believing people don't hurt me! >.<) @~dark_kaitoh [sweatdrop] Ehh.. Don't forget. There *are* people out there with mental/personality disorders who are.. .... [tries to find word] 'prone'(?) to suicide. For no reason. Death just.. tempts them(?) So ja, can't judge too quickly. Smack me for having a vast view on the suicidal peeps out there. ^^;; @~nats [pales and sweatdrop] Umm.. This is off topic and in the red zone of sensitive subjects.. But it depends on your belief/faith what happens to you after your current mortal death. Anyone stating their belief can be flamed at.. -.-' --- Life is precious, life is cruel. Give it meaning or live as a shadow. Suicide is tempting, suicide is irreversable. Once you tasted it, you can't come back. |
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by somethingclever
on 2007-03-05 19:39:42 (edited 2007-03-05 19:48:47)
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It's pretty silly how many people post that life is about solving problems/finding true love/helping others/etc when in reality no one has a legitimate reason to believe in a reason to exist. Helping others or solving our problems is not a legitimate reason because if we all committed suicide there would be no one in need of help and no problems to solve. There is no need to find peace of mind or enlightenment through reflection or meditation when nonexistence gives you the same thing. Why attempt to achieve nirvana when killing myself would make it impossible for me to suffer or desire anything. Absence of suffering or desire is perfection. Suicide is not dumb silly or immature. It is the people who think otherwise that are foolish. The majority of people may believe in a god but in reality it doesn't matter because the facts are stacked against your beliefs. God or a higher power that would punish us is the only logical reason for not committing suicide. This alone is an excellent reason for why religion and existence of god is highly unlikely. You need a god to justify existence otherwise life is meaningless. The burden of proof falls on believers, not atheists. You claim something exists you need evidence or your claim is by default incorrect and meaningless. And let's be honest people, that majority only believe or pretend to believe in religion because your parents told you what to believe. Anyways why would an all powerful god create us if he can see the future and knows the exact outcome of creating us? If god is all powerful he has no reason to live and the most logical action he can take is committing suicide because if he can predict the outcome of his every action life has no meaning as he is able to perceive every possible path of life at the same time. Anything god does is a sign of weakness because he should have no need to do anything. If god is not all powerful or all wise then why should we listen to him? If god doesn't have the answers to everything which is highly likely if he created us why should we care what he has to say? I personally have not committed suicide yet because I realize my instincts naturally prevent me and I have not yet experienced emotion strong enough to take initiative. In the end suicide can be logically explained, continuing to exist cannot. If the only way you can contribute to this thread is by posting generic sayings like "believe in yourself, live life to the fullest, keep on living or people who commit suicide are dumb" I suggest you learn what philosophy and debate mean. |
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-_-' "Absence of suffering or desire is perfection." = Heaven. Find a way to go there. Suicide (in this/your contex) = Giving up = Cowerdiance = No honour. ..... The God comments, personally, I don't give a damn. I'm as anti-God as can be. Though I believe Him. Recomendation: Go Find a church under AOG eg. Clavary Family Church, SIB, St. Faith.. etc. and bug them. Chatolics basicly worship [b]Mary[/b] so there's no point bugging them. You want to bug the Protestants. "And let's be honest people, that majority only believe or pretend to believe in religion because your parents told you what to believe." -_-' I didn't. I only like Christmas cause of all the chocolate. (in my house) Don't give up life. If even buddhists believe in Hell, surely thee will suffer in the afterlife. Explaination of 'existance': Experience. Even though it's crap, you're bullied, no home, handicaped, retarded, famine, diseased, etc. Live trough it and you can say 'I lived it, babe. ;)' ;___; I'm not philosophical enough?!? [cries at own failure] |
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Hmm. Funny topic. My cousin used that same thoughtless threat recently. " I'll kill myself if you don't get me out of this house!" And frankly, everyone was like, hide the knives! You know what I said, she wont do it. I wasn't mocking her no, most fear the experience of dying, and their parents are so scared to lose them they'll do anything without question. It's sad really. No one did anything, and Talia lived to see another day!
Naiomi Yuori
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by somethingclever
on 2007-03-11 15:33:09
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Ok Ryu, so you basically ignored what I said and said a bunch of garbage about religion. Good job. My post really shouldn't be hard to get. You're "find a way to go there" remark was real clever. You could've just said you agreed with that point instead of spewing gibberish about who I want to bug or whatever. If nonexistence is just as good as heaven since you would no longer suffer or have desires it means the only logical reason to not commit suicide is that you fear the retribution of a higher force such as God. If you don't believe in one and you don't believe in an afterlife suicide is the way to go. I'd encourage you to go there too. ^^ |
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@Ryu... if that will happen then just think that it is the time that you prove them wrong and be responsible...being always stuck in a state of depression and not doing anything will surely worsen your problem...you should never give up even if everyone is against you... I don't have problems in my life but deep inside I'm also an emotional person. it may seem that I'm always alright whatever situation I may be but I feel sad inside. its really more sad because I don't talk about it with my friends. it maybe bad that one day I'll just snap out and go berzerk when I reach my limit! I love to listen to my friends and give advices but its the complete opposite when it comes to me... well, as far as I know the soul of those who commit suicide will remain in earth. they can't go in heaven coz they have regrets in their life... believing religion or not, life for me is all about how you live and plan for your own life. suicide is also a part of your life. it's just up to you if you will choose that option and end all the things that come and will still come... |
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[Ryu's stomach suddenly not threatehing to eat irself anymore] @somethingclever -_-' I was spewing garbage about finding Protestants/people under AOG cause you seem to only be exposed to a certain 'type' of Christians. Not all of them are the same. What's dangerous is some of them are even heretics.. Okay, this is way off topic. I repeat: "Suicide (in this/your contex) = Giving up = Cowerdiance = No honour." Psh. My ultimate wish is to destroy God/the World. Or find someone who *can* and become his/her minion. Now why would I want to forever bask in purity and light? @project_koganei [huggle] Yesh. Depression is bad. I find ways to amuse myself to avoid death by boredome. Which would be something very unpleasant. ..You don't have problems? (I know what you technically mean) The technically, if there aren't any major miscommunication, you should see a therapist/psychologist/shrink/whatever you call 'em there. Don't worry, depending on how/where they studied, they'll either talk about your life in the first session or give you a questionaire to answer. Honesty is important. So is finding the *right* kind of shrink. If you seriously don't get along with him/her, get another shrink. You sound like a nice person and friend in general. I wouldn't like to see you sad in any way. ^^ |
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by Daimian Nightwing
on 2007-03-16 23:32:07
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Life is a gift bestowed to fools who don't apreciate them. Suicide is another method to chosing when you will die. The church and society as a whole condemns Suicide cause of the whole 'death' thing, which humans try to avoid seeing, hearing, or thinking about to the point of foolishness. God? I belive that there is a 'big boss' out there, but I could really care less. I might sound as a prissy b**ch but where was the 'big boss' when I needed him/her? Che, point made. -Midori-chan
Death is just another great adventure...
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cowardice and no honor? the meaning of death by suicide can differ with each individual. seppuku or harakiri is an honorable death in the japanese culture. its the person's own choice how to live/end his life anyways. however im not pro-suicide. its just nowadays people get depressed and they blame the whole world for whatever reason it is. they think their existence doesnt matter, and all they bring is hurt and pain to themselves and people around them. and everyone has different emotional pain threshold. and they have their own ways to solve that. maybe suicide is a good way out for those who cant take it anymore, and its good for them. in my opinion though, problems come to be solved. i just want to appreciate my life and my intelligence (though its not that high XD), my sanity and everything else eventhough i wont be happy all the time throughout my life.  |