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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2006-05-16 18:21:22 |
 , you can convince others to stop sucide. It's not that uncommon. The main reason is that no one really wants to commit suicide, they see only one option, and when you present a better one the majority of people will take it. That's basic human instinct, when a person is in their most primal they tend to fall under those insticts readily, and a person reaches their most primal when they are confronted with death i.e. sucide. |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2006-05-16 18:53:05 |
| Devils-Angel - It is very possible to change the mind of another, I've talked somebody down from suicide myself. |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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by overlordsero
on 2006-05-16 20:57:03
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Devils-Angel, I also have talked someone to NOT commit suicide. 
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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by angelo_caduto666
on 2006-05-18 06:28:31 (edited 2006-05-18 06:29:23)
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Life is but a job and you must work through it or I will fire you from it....see my myspace..angelo_caduto666 at myspace  Fummeln Sie mit dem besten herum.. stirbt wie der Rest! |
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One of my good friends just recently killed himself so I thought I might as well make another post here again. My friend Logan, shot himself in the chin because of problems with his girlfriend. He obviously put a lot of emotional attachment and hope into his relationship and losing it caused him to thus lose that sense of hope that he had become accustomed to, bringing him into despair and fear. He tried desperately to reclaim that sense of hope regardless of how he did or how it would affect others and himself and thus tragedy in the name of fear (fear of having to deal with the pain) and ignorance (ignorance that there infinite other ways to find happiness in life, way that don't involve such sacrifice). I just wish that I could have helped him in his time of need but he is gone and there is nothing that I can for him. I just wish he would have seen that it wasn't his relationship that made him happy but the hope associated with the relationship and that hope is always there, even if people don't realize it and it will never die as long as one believes in it. ...sorry for rambling, I just wanted to reinforce my dissagreement for suicide.
You need a reason to be sad. You don't need a reason to be happy. The secret to happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible.
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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by slayeralchemist
on 2006-09-06 23:06:55
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Wow! Im so sorry about your friend. I myself am against suicide, I know that no one ever lacks a good reason for commiting suicide, but that is just not the answer to our problems, the answer to our problems is to confront them not to run away from them. 
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Well my girlfriend doesn't like suicide either. But she still knows my views. I can understand Logan's pain. Personally I feel like that choice he made wasn't all bad. Sometimes when you loose a girlfriend you are just loosing a random girl. If one seriously loved their girlfriend they are losing a part of themselves they can't live without. For me I kinda predicted suicide for myself if my girlfriend died. Though she doesn't want me doing that. Though I don't think it would be as simple if it was something like a breaking up. She is still alive so I still can pursue her, and would until one of us dies. But sometimes when one feels like all is lost and cannot be regained then the rest of life is just keeping them from peace. I myself would want to see my wifie as soon as possible if she died. I don't know if I could keep myself from stabbing myself unless we had kids or something. Sometimes people who commit suicide don't see the possiblities ahead of them. Some people do commit suicide when their problems could have been solved. But there are still sometimes when people have an unbearable problem that can't be solved by living.  Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2006-09-08 21:38:38 |
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I think suicide is just the easy way to escape from reality. If life is given to you, then don't waste it. There is always something good coming in the future, at least that's my point of view. I had a friend who was what people call "emo" and he was so close to commit suicide.Thankfully, we convinced him that life is precious, and only those who are weak do it. It's a really hard topic, and i prefer to go for the positive side of it. Life is precious, and if things go wrong, then face them, and learn from them. It's just my opinion, i do respect the rest of the opinions shared here, Each one has a valid point. |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2006-09-08 22:21:04 |
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Sorry to hear about your friend. I think most of us know at least one person who has either tried or has committed suicide. To that end I also believe that we all have, or will, think about it at some point. The problem is that people who do often see no way out of the situation they are in and subsequently need a lot more convincing than someone in a normal situation. If people knew what would happen tomorrow then their would be no real emotion. Everything would be very noncommital and seperated from ourselves. We would think that there was no point in doing anything because it all ends up the same. That, my friends, is the basic thought track of a depressed person on the road to suicide. They see the future and refuse to believe that it can change. The real reason for suicide is not to escape the world or the pain, it is viewed as inevitable. The mind is programmed for self-preservation, but it's a two sided coin. The mind always knows that death is a potential in any situation, so subconciously a reaction takes place. One thought is all it really takes one connection to form and suicide becomes a very real possibility for someone. That thought being the one above. Obviously we cannot ask those that have commited sucide what they were thinking but those who come close know that this is not far from what they think. Suiced is not an end-all solution, nor a way-out, nor is it reaction to stress, it is the inevitable end that we all reach. It's a single connection from all of us. The reason why some of us follow through and others back down is that same self-preservation, the two sided coin. There is the occasional time when any coin may land on it's side, that fine edge is the edge that many people walk (those who have tried but survived) and yet still being an edge the coin may fall to either side. |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2007-02-06 10:20:43 |
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I'm sorry for being somewhat non-respectant to the dead, but I view those that commited suicide cowards. "I feel so unhappy" "I'm not loved I should kill myself" ect. What BS can some of them come with to just escape the challenges of life. I don't want to sound like a preacher, but those that commit suicide go to Hell. Now, knowing that hell is far more ebil than Life, what is the whole damn point of killing yourself? You just end up in a worse situation. Duh. Those that want to commit suicide, remember this, which is worse? Having someone you depend on, who tries to stop you and loves you? Or killing yourself since you life is So Hell, just to end up in TRUE HELL? Think before you act people, takes no more than a couple minutes. oh, and another thing, from scriptures and all, one minute here, is 1,000 years in Hell. have fun burning and being torn asunder by the very demons that you feared in reality. ((I hope the dead forgive me, but it is necessary to prove that those commited to suicide are cowards of life.))  |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2007-02-06 15:50:10 |
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Dark, your view is shared by many people. While I would say that escaping from one's worldly problems is a easy way out of those problems, it takes a tremendous amount of conviction to actually commit suicide. Also don't be so hasty to bring down fire and brimstone on those that do it. I'm not going to lie, the thought has crossed my mind many a time. Yet I have never tried, why is that? It's simple, it's a easy solution that won't bring about the correct events to completion. In short it's an easy way out of a much larger problem. I cannot ask you to get inside the mind of one who has committed suicide, but do try and understand where it is they are coming from. A person doesn't commit suicide and fear what happens to them, in fact it's quite the opposite. Suicide is not meant to solve problems or bring a sense of satisfaction, sure a few may derive these feelings but they are not representative of the idea of suicide. Suicide is meant as the ultimate example of not caring. No amount saying that "you will go to hell if you do this" is going to change that. They don't care. To them anything, even eternal suffering under pain is better than what this world has to offer, at least you know what to expect everyday. |
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on 2007-02-06 16:13:24 |
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Yes, but think about it, those types of people are mental thinking that pain beats pain. The thing of life is that it is unpredictable, for all we know we may as wel BE in Hell. The problem with those that commit suicide is not their "gutty" action, but rather their cowardance to life. Like you said, it shows the best of "not caring" But like most, the significance of suicide is not as important as the motive to do it. Life is a puzzle that is never-solved. ((wonder if that's a word...)) The people commiting suicide can't seem to enjoy the surprises that life has to offer, the good AND the bad. They see the negatives and see the positives run amuck away from them. So they take the easy way out, where they believe eternal damnation is more predictable than life. True, it may be easier to predict, but at least life's MUCH less painful DAILY rather than being ripped limb by limb DAILY. (Though I'm sure since you're dead it wouldn't matter much...but it's Hell, so anything can happen...I guess..)) |
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by zparticus27
on 2007-02-06 16:18:45
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| i dont quite understand why people would want to commit suicide. yes its the easiest way out of a problem but then what? committing suicide becomes a problem itself. i mean why throw away a once in a lifetime chance to live? |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2007-02-06 16:34:54 |
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I said: "If people knew what would happen tomorrow then their would be no real emotion. Everything would be very noncommittal and separated from ourselves. We would think that there was no point in doing anything because it all ends up the same. That, my friends, is the basic thought track of a depressed person on the road to suicide. They see the future and refuse to believe that it can change. The real reason for suicide is not to escape the world or the pain, it is viewed as inevitable." There's why, if you know what tomorrow brings, even if it's pain, you can have no emotion over it. There is no comparison to the pain, so it becomes normalized. Eternity is forever, not many people realize just how long that is. Like I said as well, they just don't care anymore. If all you've know is pain, and all you'll ever know is pain for eternity then what's the point. If you never learn of joy then there's no way to know just exactly what pain is. Zparticus, it's viewed as an ultimate realization. It's not a way out, it's getting to the end faster. That's all there is to it: why prolong the inevitable. |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2007-02-06 16:40:38 |
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"why prolong the inevitable" well, let nature decide. best to have the experience rather than amateur talks, right? eh, my head hurts. XD But good point. But then again, like I said, let nature do the talking. |
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by zparticus27
on 2007-02-06 16:47:45
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| why long the inevitable? why not? its just like giving up out of the blue...i dunno i still dont get it!nyahahahaha or maybe i dont want to get it... |
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Yeah, I'm a natural emo, I dont dress like what ppl call emo. My childhood is perfectly normal, I've got everything I need, still I get so damn low down at times. Suicide has crossed my mind several times when I was at my lowest, but each time I'm down I get up again, only stronger. Suicide is a private thing, but it hurts so many people in most cases. I've once helped a friend from suicide too. And once a friend helped me out :P A good friend can easily save lives ;)  |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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I don't give a shit for anyone that commits suicide they chose to die. They say screw the world and everyone in it, nobody cares about me blah blah blah. I say good riddance, you're right nobody cares because it's your life, have fun in hell.    |
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by Grasswatcher
on 2007-02-07 04:26:18
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I've had thoughts of suicide flit through my mind every now and again. Not so much as wanting to die, but more to the curiosity of what it would feel like to see my life slipping away. A bit childish, I admit. And there are times when I've felt so frustrated (like being immobile for a full week due to dengue fever...not pleasant) that I've felt like just giving up and tossing myself off the roof. That said, however, suicide as an easy way out of life and your problems is against my general principles. If you kill yourself, you've practically become a burden to everyone who cares for you. For one, somebody has to arrange a funeral, and bury/cremate/dispose of your body. In addition, you will cause emotional pain to those who sincerely cared for you when you lived, perhaps making them feel guilty about why they couldn't help you any more than they already have. I just see that as being rather selfish, when you can be worth so much more to the world alive. Just my two cents.
I sit and do nothing. The grass grows by itself. ~ Bassho
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2007-02-07 09:51:37 |
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