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by suicidebomber
on 2007-02-06 02:04:34
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i'd choose intelligence, but there's not denying that education is important as well, and it *does* makes you look smart. from your examples, we can see two different kinds of intelligence. the book smart. and the street smart. you have to admit that those who do well in their studies *are* smart and not dumb. it's the fact that they might only be smart when it comes down to tests and exams. it is true that some of the stuff we learn in school are pointless when it comes to using the knowledge for work or in life. but then, have you ever thought of why there are stuff like these that they teach in school when we wont use it after our schooling years? actaully, all the subjects that we learn can be applied in real life situations. they are also related to each other to form the essence of 'life'. language, for communication. without it, do you think people can understand your own alien language? do you think you'd be able to go on a tour or out of the country or even attend a job interview without being understood? science (breaking it down to biology, chemistry and physics) is all around us and about us. without it, do you think the flu that you have can be cured? do you think you can eat and sleep and drink just like that for no reason? the logic behind math is what gives us a reason and definition. without it, how do you know if you are short-changed for something? how can you work your brain for analytical problems? history, you've got to learn from the past so as to not repeat mistakes and to improve what was before. geography, studies of the natural and physical features of the world. without this, do you think we would have proper house to live in? or papers to write? or knowing when to where thick coats? physical education (or gym which ever you call it in school) is essential for building a healthy lifestyle. doesnt matter what kind of games or sport you would do, it's a form of exercise that counts. and the other subjects like art or computer studies are there to nurture your hidden talents. they are there so that it widens your knowledge and skills beyond the classrooms. this is the fact that it is education that creates a foundation. i dont agree that school is for the fool and that we dont need to learn from teachers. no man is an island and you cant improve if you dont want help. if you say, for example, what about people like bill gates or some other wealthy person who was a school drop out? i'll tell, they are one in a billion or a million. and life is not all about money. it's how you treasure life and what have you learnt from living. this is intelligence. really smart people dont need money to survive. students who usually top the class or the level are the ones people look up too. and these are also the people who are determined and focused with what they want. yes, although education open doors for you, it does not mean that you can stay in long. i agree that you should be both street and book smart. and that you have to know how to apply your knowledge. having both of this quality is then what make you a real intellectual.
-sb
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by S-a-c-h-i-e-l
on 2007-02-06 07:16:15
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Incredibly good points. Yeah, you do need education. And yeah, you do need to know how to apply it to life. And adding in PE/gym... lol, seems like plenty of people desperately need to start working out. ...I've never been to public school, so I'm just wondering... Do they teach anything like ethics, morals, health, critical thinking, or future planning?  |
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personally, I've studied in two completely different societies..if you can call it that. The Private school I go to now WANTS us to memorize stuff and basically spit it out in exams, etc. The public elementary school/Middle schools I went to b4 didn't ask for any of that: only to listen a bit in class, pay attention, and basically LEARN. Then we took tests based on both what we learned and others like why, how, etc. Its confusing...to understand what I wrote above ^^; I really find there no need to know what frog intestines look like or the names of the parts...really. But I have to sit and learn about it in Bio right now...and I can't do a thing about that, really. Before, Bio meant learning about the mechanical life that is around us and cycles, etc. I'm stuck now learning about the anatomy of FROGS!?? Useless, sometimes. I really don't know why we need to know. But there is the question about compulsory education. it is needed, despite what we think. Sometimes education and intelligence go hand in hand. Other times, they seem like they're back to back, facing two different directions. In the public schools I went to b4, to answer Sachiel's question, yes, they taught us a lot about health and morals- critical thinking was something they focused on a lot. Future planning was almost like something we discussed everyday. everything was linked together for us. The school I go to now gives little importance to physical health and concentrates ONLY on making us learn, apparently useless, things. That's something I'm personally against. But I believe in education that's required. Each subject has something it has to teach to us, and the older we grow, the more we have to learn about it. It's expanding even now (due to human curiosity O.o). There's a limit as to how much needs to be taught. And everything needs a reason to be taught. There's a difference between knowing ancient civilizations because you should know your country's origin, etc. and knowing the scientific name of some random leaf for no apparent reason when you're 10-13 years old!! I think what education needs more of is open mindedness and acceptance to new and broad ways of teaching that give relative freedom to the students. They also need to let us find our own methods to use our knowledge, given they teach us only what we really are going to need. What's the point of stuffing heads if we are going to forget everything anyway, ne? As long as education (only in certain places in certain countries, probably) doesn't see new light, there's going to be a certain form of corruption that binds us even when we try to gain 'knowledge'. What is knowledge? What is the different between 'wise' and 'knowledgeable'? The wise may see light through situations that seem physically/mentally tough for a knowledgeable person. Education needs to also teach us how to think 'outside the box.' Real life situations are never predictable, really. Because, it's real life at hand here...it's never easy to understand. Education also must be delivered in an interesting way. Certain people my never find what they're good at if they are bored in school and never find the energy to take up some thing particular. Intelligence is born from the different perspectives we have, the different ways we see the world- that must be nurtured and developed along with the child. Creativity needs spark to start, and inspiration to feed it and keep it going. If neither are present, neither is the fire. Creativity is the most vividly presented form of intelligence, if you were to ask me. It feeds the hunger of both need and curiosity and shows us the many paths of our lives. We can carve our own if we want to. Teachers have a job of molding us when we are young - shaping us with quality education. But our intelligence is decided by us. (gee I feel like I'm giving a speech on education) Well, then. -skYe  |
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on 2007-02-08 17:07:50 (edited 2007-02-08 17:08:31)
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(I really love this new section) I think school is there for book smarts, math,reading, history, and socializing. However I do think people are becoming more aware of street smarts over book smarts. This doesn't mean you should ignore book smarts, You need both to function properly. As for your friends Sach I think mister no read could easily relate to Shikamaru(as much as i didn't want to bring anime into this), He didn't like doing tests or reading but he was a genius. I'm also that way I love puzzels but hate reading and other things, yet I'm still the person people come to when they need help with homework ><.  |
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You people have said really good points. The most important part of knowing lots of things is that you know what to do and how to do things with that knowledge. =D There is a difference between both of them.   |
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by wielder_of_the_flame_of_anor
on 2007-02-12 02:46:33
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| Simple - education is for bragging about like Mr. 4.0 probably does, and usually is generally useless (i mean, who has seriously used a cubic equation for anything), whereas, intelligence is that which will actually have an impact on your life, and is also sometimes known as prudence or logic. (oh, and just for the record if straight A's is 4.0, i'm a 4.5 - straight A+)(and i'm extremely modest :P) |
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by S-a-c-h-i-e-l
on 2007-02-12 07:48:58
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Wow, you ARE modest, bragging about it right here! :O And now... After I've been watching Death Note... I've been thinking more and more about how AWESOME it'd be to have a 4.0 (or 4.5, as Anor said so modestly), and still have amazing intelligence. L and Kira are too freakin' cool, dude. If you've seen it, you'll know what I'm talking about; they've both mastered intelligence, they both get perfect scores in school, and they can do it fast. Having mastered both... Hohoho, something tells me I would have LOOAADS of fun with that :D But yeah, it seems like the more advanced educational skills are rarely used, except when someone's going to go all the way in that subject; then high level math would be needed when going into astronomy. |
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Well for some people, I guess it's important to know something of everything. Or maybe just go on with our lives our own way. I'm now 22 years old and I don't even remember or best yet, utilizing all the stuff I learned in elementary science, lol. But I think school has more functions than learning arbitrary facts. You make friends, you learn social customs, learn how to follow directions, trust one another other, etc. Mostly for human interaction in preparation for when you get out of school and into the real world. School may also teach you what you're good at and what you're not good at. Like maybe you're good at science and not in Spanish, etc. Maybe for some people, it's where you find true love. But the truth is, we need people who know stuff like rocket science and all that stuff. Without them, maybe certain parts of society wouldn't function, we wouldn't have won the cold war, and we'd sure as hell would probably not have the internet to have these kinds of discussions. You can look at other culture's education systems to further answer this question. I used to teach in Japan. Teachers have a much different role over there than they do in the U.S. For example, I once had a student caught stealing on a Saturday around 2am. As his homeroom teacher, I was called to go to the station, (and not the parent) to talk to the kid and apologize to the police officer and to the victim. Though parents should really do this stuff, the Japanese have something called "Giri Ninjou" which makes them feel obliged to do this though they don't legally have to. But I think school can be a great place for moral guidance. |
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I personally agree with what my psychology teacher said one day. That no one is unintellegent. Some people just apply their attention and learning aptitude to different topics than other people. I've always been told I could do better in school if I put more effort into it, on the other hand though, I could answer almost and Dungeons and Dragons related question in an instant.
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This is a very difficult question to answer on the one hand we have the current educational standard which has been in effect for hundreds of years and has as far as we know been working just fine and we have the concept that schools and in fact the entire educational standad are failing to produce a graduate of sufficient intelect to effectivly carve out ones place in the real world. My Opinion? I believe that ove time the definition of intelligence has changed due to the world around it. For example back in the 1900s intelligence was measured by how much a person knew, you see back then there was a limit to the amount of information one could gather outside of a educational facility so the students were taught to remember as much as they could, however today we live in a practical cornucopia of information thanks to the internet and yet the school systems have yet to change there monotony of pounding facts into students heads and in essence stifiling there creativity and there want to build there own intelligence so it is my belief that the school system should be reformed so that the students can choose there own intellectual conquest and therefore lead to a better prepaired graduate who actually knows how to use his brain rather than spit out facts.
In the beginning there was God and it was good,then God said "screw this" and created muffins. -Muffin
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by ghatanothoa
on 2007-02-25 23:03:00
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I think part of the problem is that it's hard to teach people to be intelligent. Really hard. Getting people to memorize facts is easy compared to teaching them critical thinking. I remember how in science class I was always great at the tests, I could memorize everything, but terrible at the labs, because I had to apply and coordinate that knowledge. I also agree partly with what some people have said about making science and math elective. I certainly think everyone should have to take basic math and science courses, but making a high schooler whose going to be an English major ruin their GPA taking Calculus or Anatomy is just ridiculous. Some of the knowledge crammed into us in school is probably an attempt to teach intelligence. Frog anatomy for instance, I don't think people are taught to dissect frogs because its important to know frog parts, I think they just want you to leave class with the general idea that living things have complex parts inside them and don't just work by magic. But I do think schools could do a better job of it. The problem is, government-sanctioned monopolies aren't that flexible. |
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I'm going to post a short reply for a change =3 I haven't bothered to read all the posts in here, they're simply too long, and my attention span only goes that far :'D Reading the first post by Sachi, I realised, the man has got a point! Yuki's reply answered most of it I believe. The "knowledge isen't power... It's how you use it" is just a slap to the forehead, why didn't I think of that any sooner? I probably have a opinion but I'm so bad at putting it into words ='S Overall, this thread made me realise something I probably already knew, and I'm not trying to sound smart here :P This isen't short, is it? xD  |
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that's because most people(both students and teachers forgot the purpose of going to school. Most of the peoples nowadays more concern to what mark do they get than what thing did they learn and how to apply that in real life. and some people also study and memorizing the stuff from school too much, and they forgot that we can learn lotsa things outside school. My teacher used to remind us, studying 3 hour will give the same result with studying 5 hour, our brain can only absorbed what we learn for 3 hours then the brain need to rest
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by Atsuku(binku)
on 2007-03-24 06:45:17
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i was just thinking like, there are loads of people in my little hometown who dont really care about educations, thus they remain "unenlightened" about knowledge and the importance of it. they're satisfied by just living, working hard and getting money to continue surviving. so, education is really important to give those people the awareness of how importance knowledge is. however, intelligence is more important than education in my opinion. because when i studied for my exams last time, i found out that i've been studying just for the sake of passing my exams. now, im studying because i want to know more, for the sake of gaining more knowledge. knowing how things work is really satisfying to me. though, in the world today, people look at the education level we have. certificates and academic achievements are the stepping stones to a successful life. so why not have both so we can have the best in the future, ne? ^_~ |
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on 2007-03-24 21:28:24 (edited 2007-03-24 21:29:16)
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Having lived 33 years on this planet earth, I learned a thing or two about life. Here is my two cents regarding education and intelligence. Education is a teaching and learning process. Intelligence is the ability to apply that which was learned through education. Therefore, it stands to reason that the most important thing to learn is how to be intelligent. When I was in secondary school, my physics teacher once told us the purpose of education. He said that we are in school not just to learn about earthly facts like mathematics or biology or such. The thing that we need to learn is to learn how to learn. Learning different subjects gives us the opportunity to practice how learn these things so that when leave school we can easily learn whatever that is necessary to do our job. I hope this make sense to you somehow. :)  |
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the purpose of schools is to grant intelligence upon students. The "street smarts"/practical skills in which many of you seem to be all for being taught in schools instead of typical acedemic materials are in our cultures, supposed to be taught by other people through the social interactions of our lives, from parents, friends, etc., etc, all of society if you will. And such subjects as math and science are required at a high school level are because many, if not most people, do not yet know what they will major, and frankly have no idea what they want to do with themselves, and even if they think they do, it is extremely common to change your mind and switch majors during your college career, so these schools are equipping you with the basics to enter a wide variety of fields, thus helping people find their niche by arming them with the knowledge required to at the very least look into various fields of study  |
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| i think what one needs is both called "Street smarts" and "Book Smarts" a person with streets smarts knows not to go down a dark alley when they see two big guys with baseball bats, whereas the book smarts person would go down the alley just because its the quickest way to get to their destination. what is needed in life is a good combination of the two. other wise the term "there is a sucker born every minute" will continue on and on for some time. you can have streets smarts but be lacking in understanding the greater things in life, the same is true with being book smarts as you may never see the world you already live in for what it is. |
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I'll give you the gist of it: School teaches you this: Study for Years + Work for Years = Retire at 65-75 NOWHERE in that formula is "Vacation Travel" or "Have fun with friends" or "Riches" or "Success", or "Family", or Life in General, for that matter. The reason teachers cannot teach you about life is because 95% of teachers don't have a life themselves. Neither do most of our parents or grandparents. They teach you Reading, Writing, and some specific skills (WHICH YOU NEED) for work, like Computer programming, accounting, etc. But it never tells you a damn thing about how to enjoy life, which is why 95% of the population spend bucketloads of cash to take vacations they absolutely hate, then spend the next three years paying off what they spent on a vacation they never wanted to go on in the first place. If you want to learn skills that will give you a good job, you HAVE to go to school and either go to college or take a vocational course, or find some other way to get yourself work. But Life? School will never teach you that. For Life, you have to find people whose lives you want. These are called MENTORS. Not TEACHERS, MENTORS. There's a difference. A Teacher you have to listen to, a mentor, you have the choice of listening to or not listening to. Also, a Teacher may know the book stuff but not actually know how to use it--kind of like the Financial Investment Teacher I had who still lives with his mom because he doesn't know how to invest his own money. A Mentor is someone who walks the talk--they've done it, and don;t need to prove anything. You want to be a Five-Star Hotel Chef? Take a chef as a mentor. Want to be a pilot? Take a pilto as a mentor, so forth and so on. You need book education, that's school. Life education (and that's not necessarily street smarts) you get from MEntors. |