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Fans of Shuffle! Discussions & input
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on 2005-12-07 01:57:17 (edited 2005-12-07 01:58:41)
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I'm a big fan of the series/games...everything about it i love. The anime is getting better and better as each episode goes by....and after watching Episode 19 "Unforgettalbe Memories"....things sure are getting dramatic....eager awaiting the end of the series ^^ The following is something a fellow fan wrote in another forum which shed some light on Kaede...IT'S A LITTLE LONG but worth reading... PSYCHO a deranged and/or psychopathic person who is a mentally ill or unstable person. also see psychopath. A person who is unable to understand the difference between what is real and what is 'perceived' real. Emotions including saddness, pain, fear, jealously, hatred along with others are 'perceived' as real and valid, and result in behavior in direct harm of others including loved ones, and oneself. Generalization A person who is unwilling to face reality and their emotions today, will continue to suffer the consequences and pain continually until they do so. Even through the help of others they are able to supress those emotions and memories, they will remain like a benign tumor that can become malignant at anytime for any reason. In episode 19, Kaede has definitely awakened those suppressed memories and they have driven her toward irrational and psychopathic actions. This is not to say that she is a good or bad person for feeling this way. She was unable to deal with her emotions eight-years ago has choosen to accept three crutches to bury (supress) them, rather then acknowledge and release them. 1. Rin lies to her after the accident and tells her that he is responsible. She accepts this crutch to have a reason to live - to MAKE HIS LIFE A LIVING HELL. [I strongly disagree that lying is the only option. Rin express your love to her as best you can and stay with her. She's the only 'family' you have left, so make sure she knows if she gives up on life, she will leave you alone. Give her a real honest reason to live, a 'brother' who loves her and needs her. Just like in real life, there are no guarantees that she will accept reality and may continue to give up on life. But if you LIE to her, you give her an excuse to ignore reality and CREATE A 'PERCEIVED' REASON TO LIVE. If you tell her the truth and lovingly comfort her, and she still gives up, you have no reason to feel guilty. ] This means she doesn't release the pain of losing her parents and the pain continues to grow, but now she has new reason to live on - Make Rin's life a living hell because he's the one who created your pain (He lied to you but you don't know that) 2. She finds the post card lying by Rin's bed and realizes that she has been living a lie. She realizes Rin did it because he loves her, but she realizes that she doesn't deserved his love. She feel's guilty for harming Rin for all these years, and suddenly the repressed pain of losing her parents returns stronger then ever. Those tumors have grown so much that before in the hospital she might have lost a will to live, now she feels she has NO RIGHT TO BE ALIVE. Rin would be better without me she thinks and decides the best thing to do release the pain is sacrifice her own life so she cannot and will not ever be able to harm Rin again. she tries to take her own life both to release the suppressed pain and sacrifice her own life in place of Rin's to atone for the pain she has caused him (The ultimate expression of Psychotic love - self-sacrifice). Just in time, Rin saves her and she has to find another new reason to live. 3. "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry....................." Kaede is lost again without a reason to live and with only guilt to be her guide, she realizes "Rin saved my life, I'll DEDICATE MY LIFE TO HIM." She accept this crutch because her guilt is real; She knows even if she spends her entire life it won't change the fact she hurt him while he was loving her. "I love you, don't love me" quote makes perfect sense because she believes she is undeserving of his love, but owes him her love. Again she buries and supresses a great deal of the pain * she felt when she lost her parents * she felt when she hurt Rin out of confusion * she felt for trying to take her own life. She never deals with her emotions and they are supressed yet again. She manages to appear normal to everyone as long as her "I'll dedicate my life to Rin" remains possible and real. If that changes and she again has nothing to live for, her internal demons will leave her no choice but to fight reality or face it. She has been psychotic (Mentally unstable YES!) from the day she lost her parents, and has refused to accept their deaths as reality even after so many years. Step back and rewatch older episodes of Shuffle! and realize that Kaede has no voice of her own, its always whatever Rin-kun wants. She has denied that she even has or deserves a life of her own. In episode 5 she falls over sick and she blames herself for it. She even wonders and asks Rin if she "is a bother, and if he would better without her!" When I watched this episode a while back, I was shocked that she could even think of herself in this fashion since Rin is * living in HER house * having HER wake him up * having HER cooking for him * having HER clean for him * having HER worry about him like a devoted loving mother If Rin hasn't showed you affection for caring that much, he isn't the same character I have pictured in my mind. Why should you feel guilty unless there is something more to the story, I wondered even then. He tries to encourage her to 'slack off a bit' and she tries it for one day (sleeps in a extra 5 mins LOL), and then decides that she has keep on as she has the past. She hasn't even learned anything from her past, and will continue to dedicate her life to him even though he has subtlely suggested that "he will accept her and love her as is." In nearly every episode of SHUFFLE! after we introduced Kaede in Episode 1 and she had health problems in episode 5, we rarely see Kaede except to COOK, CLEAN, CARE FOR, Rin. And even that is taken away from Kaede in last several episodes as situation after situation comes up and demands Rin attention and time. Rin has no choice since he cares about Primula, Sia, Nerine, and Asa, and Kaede manages to hide her situation from him. He disappears entirely in episode 17 with Kikyou and Kaede gets so worried she calls the police, definitely not Rin expected or needed her to do. He stops eating her meals because he is always spending time with the other girls on dates and such. When he's at home he begins to ignore her altogether, working on his models or play video games (PONG ANYONE!). Rin deserves some of the blame in -neglecting- poor Kaede, but he doesn't know how fragile she mentally is or I am sure he would have tried to help her; he's a very nice guy as we grown to know. Rin has plenty of reasons to be confused about his own life. He has the affections (a few of them even objectively confessed) of 5 girls! That alone is a huge nearly insurmountable burden for him as his charater is such that he doesn't want to hurt any of them, so he is trying to avoid the decision he knows he will have to eventually make. Even though he has finally made the move to go out with Asa (with a huge push from his friends), he is struggling to figure out what to do. When Kaede explodes and lays a hand on Asa, he probably wonders why he didn't see it coming and probably blames himself for not spending more time with Kaede who he may have thought had dealt with her past. But facts are facts, Rin cannot save Kaede unless Kaede wants to be saved. It is Kaede who must accept her past, and look for her own future. It is Kaede who must love herself, as her mother, Rin, and friends loved her. Parallels between Takayuki from KGnE and Kaede are very easily drawn because neither character accepts loss and moves on with their lives. Instead the pain of the loss drags on and on in one form or another. Other people (Mitsuki sacrifices herself for Takayuki to give him a reason to live; Rin lies to Kaede and then she lies to herself to give her reasons to live) give these characters reasons to supress those feelings and appear somewhat normal for awhile, but those reasons are only temporary fixes. Eventually everyone has to face their emotions both real and 'perceived' ones, or they will be consumed by them. IF you agree or disagree i like to hear from you....cause this really got me thinking......Thank you  |
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on 2005-12-07 02:57:06 |
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O.o" nice essay there~ ahahaha~ Anyway~ i juz started watching shuffle! it's really a VERY nice anime~ (Muz watch!!)
O.o
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on 2005-12-07 03:26:42 |
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@izumo,now that you mentioned it,i also noticed that kaede will agree with rin most of the time...and how she's always the quiet one in the bunch. can't wait for eps 21 though...bet rin leaving the house in eps 20 is a HUGE shocker.i myself almost screamed"WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU THINKING RIN??!!" to the computer screen.i still couldn't get the image of kaede in a shock stage out of my head.she looked almost lifeless probably thinking she has no reason to live anymore but that's just my opinion anyways ;p |
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Kaede:OMGZ YOU SHOULD JUST DIEZ YOU AZA!!! Rin:Kaede!!! Relaxes!! Kaede:I GONNA BLOW YOI BWAIN OUTTA YOUR BODY!!! Rin:kaede... Kaede:... I'm So Sowwwy!!! Rin:its not that... the brain is in the head. Asa:*rofl* *faints*  |
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on 2005-12-07 13:07:05 |
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Oh man is that what happens next....i'm gonna watch episode 20 when i get home from work....if that's true...I'M REALLY....REALLY GONNA HATE RIN-KUN....Kaede needs help and he takes off!!!???? I like Asa-sempai....but Kaede is an emotional wreck and i wanna help her soooo bad......damn why i'm i stuck living in the real world!!!!....i wanna run to her and comfort her.... Anyways...make you wonder who Rin-kun ends up with at the end...it's looking like Asa-sempai...but then again the writers could twists things around and he goes back to Kaede....knowing Asa-sempai's character she probably urges Rin to return to Kaede....unrequited love. |
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by Kira Yamato
on 2005-12-07 15:36:59
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Jeez, is everyone here Kaede fans?? There is a certain reason i say this (you'd only know if you've played Tick! Tack!), but i think Rin ends up with Nerine...
"The only way to understand life, is through death. If you have not experienced that much, then you have no chance of living and no chance against me."~Kei Tsuchimi-kun (Shuffle!)
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Re: Fans of Shuffle! Discussions & input
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eberybody should know this by now but shuffle has 4 eps left.which means there's a chance of really HUGE twist later on. @kira,from my view,it seems like he'd most likely to stay with asa,unless the producers decided to give it a major twist.but with asa's health becoming worst and all... |
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by Kira Yamato
on 2005-12-07 17:42:00
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just wondering, cuz in Tick! Tack! (Shuffle!'s sequel), he's with Nerine.
"The only way to understand life, is through death. If you have not experienced that much, then you have no chance of living and no chance against me."~Kei Tsuchimi-kun (Shuffle!)
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on 2005-12-07 19:02:15 (edited 2005-12-07 21:03:27)
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omfg?!there's a sequel??let me do a google search... 10min later... the site's in japanese...and i can't read that much kanji >.< but when i look at the charactor page,i dun see rin anywhere o.O...but what's the story about??can anyone who can read japanese translate this page for me cause i'm REALLY bad at kanji.(T.T) Tick!Tack! edit:and i just found out Tick!Tack! is game^^ |
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by animezsuki
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| kaede..is so poor...pity her.. rin is gay.. |
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Tick Tack's only one part of the prequel. well in the anime, Rin's just a normal guy. in the game, he XXXX the girls once everyday. just that you didn't know that. Tick Tack's just only another point of view. remember Nerine ask where's Kaede at the ending? Rin(you) said that she left early for some early class duties. so its not the conclusion... yet. there's still the manga and novel for it. slowly find out the answer... i am still trying to decrib jap in my book... |
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on 2005-12-08 02:03:08 (edited 2005-12-08 02:07:10)
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That's what i thought too Shigeki...Tick,Tack is basically an alternate point of view from the creators....i figure there must be alot of Nerine fans in Japan so Navel made the game to apease them...just a guess. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a game for all the girls....^^ But with the twist in the anime it's hard to figure out what the outcome would be....just saw episode 20...man that was tough to take....i'm getting emotionally wrecked here just watching it x_x!!!....you know who i feel sorry for....WHAT ABOUT PRIMULA!!!!! She's watching her family be ripped apart and she feels so helpless.... But i still believe what i said in my last post....Asa-sempai being the character she is...she'll urge Rin back to Kaede....she stood by watching for all these years (having feelings for Rin)...or Primula will have a say in the outcome...cause the last episode is called "And then...Important Things"....which is family....either way the best case scenario is we'll have another season!!!!!! However like that long (long) post....Kaede has to accept things (her moms death/the things she did to Rin/her past)...to continue living...."she must want to be saved to be saved"....her qoute in the game says it all..."I love you...but don't love me" |
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on 2005-12-08 03:28:32 |
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To Kira....^^ By the way i don't have a fave....i love all the Shuffle! girls equally...they all have their unique traits....which is why it's so hard for Rin to choose. I'm just taking Kaede's side cause she has devoted her life to him...yet he ignores her completely in the later episodes.Maybe he still feels some anger towards her for what she did to him...but he should have known it will happen when he lied to her.It's just unfair for Kaede...Primula...that's all. Still think he goes back to Kaede...remember he has dreams (nightmares) about those times.... I wonder what Sia & Nerine are thinking ...???? |
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by Kira Yamato
on 2005-12-08 21:52:46
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To izumo... I do too, not really a fave. but i will say, if i was in Rin's place, i'd pick Nerine, sorry. and what's with the "what are they thinking?"
"The only way to understand life, is through death. If you have not experienced that much, then you have no chance of living and no chance against me."~Kei Tsuchimi-kun (Shuffle!)
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on 2005-12-09 00:19:03 |
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To Kira...^^ The "what are they thinking" are directed to Sia & Nerine....here we have Rin/Kaede/Primula/Asa-sempai....alll having major problems and they're not doing much to help....in episode 19 both of them are MIA. When those two are around its all happy & funny....without them it's getting really dramatic and emotinal....it's tough to take...(WAHHHHH) |
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i just feel sorry for Kaede... i dont want Rin to choose Kaede cause he feels sorry for her. i feel that rin should choose Asa cause he have fun with Asa. Rin can never pick Primula. Sia too forceful and not Rin's type. Nerine, well she OK i guess by there isnt alot of background... it almost feel like she a side character and not a main. Well who ever Rin picks there will always be disagreement between the fans. ( -_-")
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on 2005-12-10 02:07:26 |
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well,the fans could think of it this way:if rin didn't pick their fav character,they could chase after her ;p |