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Pokemon: Sun and Moon
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Not many people around these days, but I'll ask anyway. Anyone keeping up with the news on Pokemon Sun and Moon? They recently showed off a trailer with the cover art and the starters. Personally, I'm a little torn on Rowlett and Litten. I love Owls, but I really need to see the final stage evolution before I decide on my starter. November is such a long time away. Other than that, I'm liking the look of some of the changes that have been shown. It's nice to see the characters having a consistent size. Also nice to see what looks like some Pokemon/People interaction in cutscenes.    |
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Re: Pokemon: Sun and Moon
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| I dont know which one to get SUN OR MOON?! imma so confused!~ |
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I wouldn't say keeping up, but I do check out anything that pops up onto my news feeds. I quite like Popplio myself. November does seem a long way a way. I haven't played any of the newer games (the newest I've played is Pokemon Pearl), so if I ever get the chance to play it everything will be pretty new to me (unless I borrow my partners 3DS and Pokemon X/Y (I can't remember which one he has) first). |
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on 2016-05-17 15:35:35 |
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@Ballz - I'm definitely going with Moon version. I had it pre-ordered just by the name alone, but seeing the crazy Moon bat legendary on the cover and the blue colour scheme has reinforced my choice. It doesn't really matter in the end though since my friend always goes with the opposite version to mine. @Poke Master Jess - The only real news released so far was the first trailer/starters and the cover art, which all hit the same time last week I believe. If you haven't played one since Pearl then you will definitely be jumping in to a lot of new stuff. X/Y especially introduced a bunch of cool new features (granted, I don't think all of those features have been confirmed to also be in Moon/Sun yet.) Haven't seen many people saying they like Popplio. Popplio seems to be getting the same reaction that Oshawott did, which is mostly people making fun of its design. Of course, just like Oshawott, Popplio could very well turn into something crazy in its final stage evolution. It's really hard to decide on a starter until you get a look at the final stage, since you'll be seeing that stage for most of the Pokemon's usage time (compared to Stage 1, which is like level 1 to 17 or so and Stage 2, which is usually 18 to 34.) I'm really hopeful when it comes to Rowlett personally, because I love Owls, but the last time I picked a Grass starter I got burned (pun not intended). The only Grass starter I've ever chosen was Snivy in Black and White, and Serperior ended up being so bad in battle that he didn't even get a place in my team by the time I hit the final badge. I honestly should have stopped using him before then, but I found it really hard to get rid of one of my starter Pokemon. Just something sentimental about having your starter stay with you through the whole game. |
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Re: Pokemon: Sun and Moon
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on 2016-05-19 06:00:44 |
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ROWLETT IS THE BEST STARTER JUST LOOK AT THAT GUY'S LIL BOWTIE 
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@Haseo - That bowtie is freaking awesome. Also the way he turns his head around to look at ya when you're givin him commands and junk. Supposedly another announcement coming on June 2nd. I'm hoping the evolution for the starters will be included with it. It's likely going to be a little bit of backstory regarding the two legendary Pokemon though. This is assuming that the news involves anything related to the Pokemon of course and is not just talk about game mechanics and technical details. |
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everyone's going for either Litten or Rowlett. but what about lil popplio? :| |
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on 2016-06-01 23:23:16 |
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What's a Popplio?
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Re: Pokemon: Sun and Moon
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#teamrowlet4ever Also, so excited for this game. It looks so scenic from the videos we've gotten of it so far, and it seems to be taking a more traditional Pokemon route, with only 2 companions so far introduced as opposed to the 4 or however many X and Y had. That, and I was very disappointed with X and Y, but thrilled with Alpha Sapphire since they seemed to perfect that game as opposed to just being like "Look! So many new things!" like they were with X and Y. If Sun and Moon will be taking a route similar to that of Alpha Sapphire, then I won't be disappointed. Also, funny coincidences with almost everything in that game.  |
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Re: Pokemon: Sun and Moon
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@SIH - What about Popplio? >_> Joking aside, like I said earlier, I think Popplio's popularity is going to depend largely on the third stage evolution. There are obviously going to be a group of Popplio fans, but Litten and Rowlet are so far the clear favorites of the internet. Of course, they could easily be hated when the evolution stages are revealed. @Toyumi - I agree about the companions thing. X and Y had too many and none of them really stood out all that much. The only thing I remember about any of them are their 'trainer goals' and that the Shauna girl got a ton of romantic teasing with the protag, which was super weird. Oh, and they totally muscled in on the main character's glory at the end of the game despite the fact they didn't do jack. Anyway, the companion guy is giving me a 'Wally' vibe. He seems to be the goofball/hyperactive type, which I'm a little iffy on. Of course we've only seen like 4 total seconds of him, so there's not enough to go on just yet. X and Y were mostly testing grounds for a new graphics/mechanics era. The first games released after some form of hardware upgrade are usually pretty rough around the edges. Alpha/Omega were just remakes, even though they were good. So Sun and Moon will hopefully be the polished brand new Pokemon game that brings everything together. So, the news on June 2nd wasn't a lot. They showed the map of the region and it seems pretty heavy on water (which is fine with me, I kind of like that). The showed off the names/typing/attacks of the two Legendary Pokemon. And of course they showed off the Pokedex/Rotom thing. I'm a little torn on that personally. Nintendo has a pretty bad track record with 'assistant' characters. Aloha Region for those that haven't seen it:  |
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@ Jon - Hey if Sun/Moon is any better than that whole plot of X and Y then it'll be a victory to me! Not sure about the companion giving me a Wally vibe, he seems like the most outgoing companion character we've seen so far, more so than Wally. Maybe comparable more so to Brandon/May in my opinion, maybe he'll end up like a Barry. One thing for sure is that he definitely doesn't seem to be like the moody type of companion we've had in the past. Eh, I'm torn on water heavy, it depends on how well or not it's done. But since it is water heavy, I'm hoping that they'll include Dive in it somehow since it would be nice having a second layer to explore once you're able to use it and all. It seems like we'll be getting Surf relatively early in the game too since the region is so based on water. I like the new legionaries, the additional information on the Moon legendary (Forgetting its name at the moment) has me a bit torn since I was planning on getting Sun originally. And yes I'm also very torn on the whole Rotom thing. I mean, he was never a very popular pokemon, so it's cool that they want to use him more, but as the living Pokedex I'm not sure how that'll turn out... Also, it's the Alola region, not the Aloha region :P (Same difference really haha) |
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I'm really looking forwards towards SUMO for the most part. As for the legendaries... I'm disappointed in them. Solgaleo is literally a Metagross. Ability is the same (different name) and has the same typing. Steel isn't as good of a defensive type now since it got nerfed in XY. Its stats better make up for those downsides, but its gonna need some pretty high bases to make up for that. Lunala... Lunala is just a lost cause IMO. Multiscale for an ability, which is a really good ability (which Dragonite makes work better), but it has 2 quad weaknesses to Ghost and Dark which kind of ruins the point of Multiscale, since even a bulky Dragonite can't really take an Ice attack at full health, I doubt Lunala could. I doubt it'll see much play in Ubers with how prevalent Mega Gengar, Darkrai, Life Orb Yveltal, and Geomancy Xerneas are. This is all from a competitive standpoint since I'm still so absorbed into the Smogon scene (Top 20 OU, not to brag :P). I don't use legendaries in single player anymore, so it's really a moot point how useful they'll be. Legendaries are always at least a good filler for the single player if you can't find a good 6th. I've been planning to get Sun since the rumors surfaced, and Solgaleo kinda cements that for me. As long as the version exclusive pokemon in random encounters still appeal to me then there won't be a contest. Instead of getting Surf early (I still think it'll be a mid-late game HM), it might be something more akin to Mr. Briney, or the Professor's Boat from XD: Gale of Darkness, until we get the opportunity to Surf and then Fly later. As long as the companion is like Tito or Sam from Rocket Power, I'll be happy. Because a big dude needs a big board, brudda. As for the Rotomdex... I'm not really a fan of the whole communication between people and pokemon thing being thrown in canonically to the game like that. It's also trying to call a lot of attention away from Yo-Kai Watch, which is Pokemon's biggest competition on the 3DS; although the former does appeal to younger audiences more, where Pokemon's die hard base is within a young adult/adult base that grew up with the games. I wouldn't say that Rotom was unpopular, as Rotom-Wash has been one of the most use pokemon competitive for the past few years; although you're right about the other forms being less than savory... Woulda rather hand a Gengar line theme'd pokedex but that's just my own preferences coming out. On top of the Alola region, the Japanese website makes reference to an Alola Pokedex and a Melemele pokedex. Dual region confirmed like HGSS?
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Re: Pokemon: Sun and Moon
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@Toyumi - I just noticed that. Aloha was just typed naturally because of the setting I guess. Muscle memory. Oh god yes, the recent moody companions. I was positive Cheren in BW was going to pull the 'becomes an enemy because they are jealous of you beating them' thing due to his personality. I know he was more of a 'stop having fun guys' serious type of dude rather than moody, but still. And I don't know about Calem in XY, but every time you beat Serena she looks freaking devastated. It's like you ripped part of her soul out and crushed it in front of her. It would definitely be nice to get back to the more upbeat rivals/companions, I'm just not a Wally fan, so I'm hoping the new guy doesn't approach that level. Brandon/May level would be great. Dive would be a great thing to have. It's disappointing that they don't use that idea a bit more or better. Having a little undersea exploration would be a welcome inclusion. My main concern with the Rotom-dex is the level of chattiness. Like I said, Nintendo is a pain in the ass with 'assistant' things. They usually nag you about stuff like play time, battery level, tutorials, etc. That's fine for the younger crowd, but they usually don't give you the ability to turn them off. So my worry is that Rotom will be giving you notifications on stuff you don't really care about and there won't be a way to turn it off. God forbid, there's also the possibility it will be talking to other characters and acting like they are speaking on your behalf. From a personal standpoint, I also like the feeling of your character being on their own. Just you and your Pokemon. Having a talking Rotom around is basically the same as having another person tagging along with you, and I don't care for that. @Haseo - I know you're big on the competitive scene, so you've got a different viewpoint on all of this. Personally, I am considering using Lunala as a main member of the time because of its design, which I really like. I prefer to go with Pokemon that I like the look of, although I do have a little consideration for typing and relative strength. My understanding was that the Legendaries don't see much use anyway, so I didn't think the stats/typing/abilities would be such a big deal from a competitive standpoint. Like you said, I think we can expect something along the lines of Mr. Briney in the early portion of the game as opposed to getting surf early. I don't see the game devs doling out an HM like that so quickly. To be honest though, I'm always hoping for a change in the way HM's work every time a new Pokemon game is announced. Not so much that you should have them all very early, more like I wish you didn't have to keep HM slaves around just to be able to explore. You are right about Rotom-dex. There's clearly a bit of Yo-Kai Watch going on in that decision. As for popularity, while I can't comment on the competitive side, I will say that I kind of side with Toyumi on the point. Rotom was pushed pretty heavily during its debut, but was pretty much forgotten about almost as soon as the game released. Don't get me wrong, the whole haunted house event where you can catch one was awesome and as you pointed out it does well in the competitive scene, but it seems to largely be remembered by the 'changing forms' gimmick. That Sun/Moon announcement is the first time in a long time I've heard anyone bring up Rotom. As for the dual region thing, unfortunately I don't think that's what the trailer implies. The trailer showed 'Alola' and 'MeleMele' along with three other blank spaces. Now take a look at the region map. Most likely what that is is Alola=Region, MeleMele=Starting Island. It's similar to how the Kalos region had Coast/Mountain/Central sections of the Pokedex. The other blank spaces are probably the other islands, possibly UlaUla, Polu, and OmaOma. People are guessing that since MeleMele in Hawaiian is 'Yellow', then the other islands will be named after Red, Blue, and Green from the original games. Trust me, another game with two regions would be amazing, but I'm leaning towards the Region->Island explanation. |
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Not too long before it's 1000+ Mons! I'm at the point where I don't know half of them.
If each mistake being made is a new one, then progress is being made.
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on 2016-08-02 10:53:35 (edited 2016-08-02 18:29:38)
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So, lots of news making the rounds in the month and a half or so since anyone posted here. We've got: -Gyms maybe being replaced with something called Island Challenges -Totem Pokemon -Alola Forms of old Pokemon -New Pokemon revealed -Z-Soul Attacks Personally, I don't know how I feel about the Gyms thing. The Island Challenges thing doesn't sound like an interesting replacement. Plus, it's pretty much Alola specific, which means it'll likely be another feature that only show up in a single Pokemon game before being abandoned. As for the Alola Forms thing, I like it a lot. Granted, I've been influenced because holy crap look at them. I can make a sweet Fire/Ice pair with my Shiny Ninetails and I am loving it. Finally, there's an image floating around that is supposedly the concept art of the starter Pokemon's final evolutions. It's apparently from the Chinese localization and was recently given a bit of credibility because it showed one of the Trial Captains before their official reveal. So with that said, if these are indeed the final evolution forms for the starters, what do you guys think? Starter Final Evolutions (Maybe) |
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Exeggcutor is straight nightmare fuel tho... how many people did that go through who said "this is fine"? I just wish the Sandslash had better typing, ice/steel really is terrible defensive typing, and sandslash was a bulky pokemon before, all the main offensive types are essentially at least x2 effect, with two x4 times weakness, so looks pretty fragile. But that's the competitive thinking again and it might be decent in game. Overall though, I'm not too interested the new forms. Z-Moves seem completely redundant to mega evolution too and a gimmick that I'm not really a fan of. Also "Bloom Doom," really? That is the best name you could come up with? I like the island challenge instead of the traditional gym, it's a nice break from the normal formula. With the challenge leaders and then Kahunas, I think we can expect to make 2 trips around the isles, one for the island challenge, another for the Kahunas. I just hope they keep the E4 something traditional, and not make the Kahunas the E4. Keep it the same amount of content just in a new way. I'm inclined to believe that the final evos for the starters aren't what they'll be in game, and that's partly because we definitely NEED another fire/fighting starter. I think the final typings were datamined from the website to be Grass/Flying, Fire/Ground, and Water/Fighting from the Japenese pokemon website. Poplio's final evolution looks like it could be water/fairy in that image, so that would throw ground out of the equation completely. The designs also look pretty gender exclusive between Litten and Poplio, but that hasn't really stopped them before with Delphox. I like the Rowlet final evo showcased their, but I'm not really considering it "confirmed."
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on 2016-08-03 06:52:30 (edited 2016-08-03 07:24:28)
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@Haseo - I disagree with most of what you said, but being opposite each other seems to be a common theme with us and Pokemon. Oh, except I do agree with you on Exeggcutor. That thing is just terrifying. I know they were going for the palm tree look, but that design definitely needed a few more approval meetings. I do want to discuss the starter evolutions though. I know that they are not 'confirmed' and there are always a ton of faked 'leaked evolution' images whenever a new Pokemon is coming out. I'm just rolling with this image since it seems to have a bit more credibility than other 'leaks'. With that being said, and keep in mind that I am not into the Pokemon competitive scene at all, wouldn't the combination of starter types you mentioned being data mined a while back be poorly balanced? Seems like Litten would get the short end of that stick while Rowlett would get the biggest benefit. Litten - Fire/Ground It would still have x2 against Rowlett's Grass, but then it's ground typing screws it over with a weakness to Rowlett's Grass typing as well as Rowlett's flying type resistance to Litten's ground. In the meantime it would get pounded by x4 Water by Poplio. Poplio - Water/Fighting It would hit Litten hard, but it would be taking Grass and Flying damage from Rowlett. Rowlett - Grass/Flying Rowlett on the other hand would be hitting Poplio with Grass and Flying Damage while also hitting Litten with Flying damage to overcome the Fire->Grass resistance. Basically, from the way I understand the typings (again, I'm not a competitive person) the only real threat to Rowlett would be maybe Litten's Fire. Litten's type wouldn't give it any extra benefit while also possibly making it weaker than it should be against Rowlett. Poplio would just remain the same, being weak to Rowlett and strong against Litten while its Fighting type provided no benefit (the elemental punches notwithstanding). Dual-typing makes things a confusing mess, so I've probably messed up somewhere. But I'd like to hear your input on how that combination of types would be a good fit for the starter trio. Obviously the trio doesn't have to always be balanced in terms of typing, but this seems a little slanted. When it comes to the designs, which is what I care most about, I also like that Rowlett design a lot. I'm hoping that those designs are indeed the official ones, since I would love to have a cool hooded archer Owl. I also really like Poplio's design as well and so does my friend. I was a little torn on which one to go with since we always make sure to pick a unique starter. I love Rowlett, but I also have a preference for 'elegant' looking Pokemon (Ninetails, Gardevoir, Mismagius, Mega-Gallade). So we are now thinking about using Pokemon Bank to start the game with both Rowlett and Poplio. Assuming these are the actual final evolutions obviously. Grass types are his thing (according to him anyway), but I called dibs on that Owl because Owls are my jam, so rather than us pick unique starters we may just get both together to be fair. |
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@Jon: Nothing wrong with disagreeing, it gives us something to discuss. From a competitive standpoint, starters have never really been viable in upper tiers of play; for most of them, it took mega evolutions and hidden abilities to make it, but that's mostly due to power creep introduced in later generations. Besides that though, looking from an in-game perspective, starters have been kinda unbalanced type-wise since Gen 3, noticeably so in Gen 4. Only 2 of Gen 1 starters had a dual type, which didn't effect it's typing advantages among the trio, it still played by the rock-paper scissors formula. None of the Gen 2 starters had dual typing, so there's not much to say there. In Gen 3, Blaziken and Swampert got dual typing, but it kinda balanced out. Swampert could hit Blaziken super effectively with both it's type, but Sceptile's singular typing could hit Swampert for a quad weakness. But Gen 4's typing would more closely mirror the datamined ones for Gen 7. Infernape was objectively the best starter typing wise. Yes, both starters could hit it back for SE damage, but Infernape had a typing advantage over both of them, and was the only offensive starter. Torterra's water resistance was nullified by its ground typing, and Empoleon's fire resistance was nullified by its steel typing. Empoleon's secondary typing was neutral against Torterra and then resisted by Infernape. Gen 5 only gave Emboar a dual typing, so there's not much to go off of there. Gen 6's secondary types were essentially another rock-paper-scissors stacked on top of the first, so it just made their strengths and weaknesses against one another more potent. Although Greninja's stats and hidden ability objectively make it better, but we're just looking at typing. So with the Alola starters, we have a couple different scenarios now. We have the Grass/Flying, Water/Fighting, and Fire/Ground combo, as well as a Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark (I've seen a lot of people referring to litten's final evo with this typing for some reason), and what looks to be either a pure water or water/fairy. With the first scenario, we see a major dominance with Rowlet, which you're right about. Poplio can't touch it, Litten can hit it strong with one of its types (grass resists ground anyways), but Rowlet can hit Poplio strongly and Litten for neutral. While Litten is destroyed by Poplio's water typing. Poplio's secondary typing also has no significance in the trio except for giving it another weakness to Rowlet. In this case, there is a major typing imblance, giving Rowlet the most advantage. With the second scenario, we see a bit more of a balance. But the dark/fairy typings kinda seem a bit arbitrary when Rowlet is included. The fairy typing can only hit both of them for neutral damage, since dark's weakness to fairy is then mitigated by the fire typing, but Litten still can't do anything to Poplio. Either way things are kinda unbalanced, but less so. Dual typing does make things a mess though, you are right about it. Some would say that grass deserves a chance to shine for once, as it's traditionally been the lacking starter, but only time will tell. The only design in that image I don't like is Litten's. The whole humanoid cat thing just isn't sitting right with me. And another wrestler themed pokemon? Just doesn't feel needed. I've never really been one to pick a grass type, and this is the first time it's been my first choice. It was a tie between Treecko and Torchic in gen 3, but I still went with Torchic first.
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@Haseo - Oh no, I was just pointing it out. I like the fact that you come at it from a competitive standpoint, since it's nice to get a different perspective. I only like Pokemon from a designs/RPG standpoint, which is hugely disconnected from the mechanical stuff. Well you bring up a good point with 'Grass deserving a chance to shine'. I've only picked a Grass starter once, but that one time was also the only time I've ever ditched starter from my lineup before the end of the game. Serperior just did not pan out like I was hoping. This is part of the reason why I am hoping those designs are the real ones, because I like the Water/Grass designs. I've gone Fire starter four times, really want to change it up. I wholeheartedly agree about Litten's possible design. I was hoping it was going to be a cool panther or something, but nope, it just pops up on two legs for no good reason. And like you said, the wrestler thing has been done already as well as pretty recently. There have been a few new announcements as well. We've got our antagonist team, and honestly I'm kind of disappointed with them. They don't look especially threatening, but on the other hand, pretty much anything is a step up from Team Flare AKA 'Team Fashion'. Some of the new Pokemon are alright. So far I've been liking the Alola Forms more though. Marowak looks pretty awesome and Meowth has potential if Persian gets a form of its own. Personally, I'm still waiting on a rumored Water-type Arcanine. I've always wanted to use Arcanine, but I always have a fire type coverage with my Shiny Ninetails (or the starters). As it stands though, I pretty much already have a team lined up. Now it just comes down to which ones, if any, that I will replace with any unannounced Pokemon that might be cooler. Current Choices 1. Rowlett (Depends on Final Evo) 2. Alola Vulpix 3. Poplio (Depnds on Final Evo) 4. Fomantis (Lurantis looks great) 5. Lunala 6. ??? Potentials -Salandit (I think it has potential to evolve into something awesome, if it does indeed evolve) -Wimpod (He has to turn into something awesome. I refuse to believe this isn't a Magikarp situation) -Pikipek (I think the evolved form could be cool, but it is the starter bird, so I doubt I will keep this one around beyond the early game. Plus I would already have a flying type in Rowlett.) -Vikavolt (I think it looks cool, but Bug types usually flare out very early in terms of usefulness.) It's not really a good type spread, but I've got to go with design over strength so far. |
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I pre-ordered Sun so yeah. Confirmed(? Team Popplio - I always pick the water starter(besides generation 3 which I picked Torchic), but Wimpod and Wishiwashi looks nice Pikipek - I always use regional bird for my playthough Salandit - Poison is my favourite type and Poison/Fire is unique. 
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