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Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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Ever since I saw one PETA poster, I've been thinking if vegetarianism would save animal lives. After quite a while, I'm certain that it's not true. So, so you agree? I'd like to know your opinions and reasons. |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-03 16:00:10 (edited 2009-02-03 16:06:01)
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Animals eating other animals is simply part of the food chain, it's how the world works, it's how nature works. Energy moves up the chain from one animal to another. While I don't agree with slaughterhouses and the treatment of some animals in order for us to make this food or even just for sport, I do not believe that vegetarianism is the morally correct choice that organizations such as PETA make it out to be and that eating animals is a crime against nature. We should eat what we need to sustain ourselves, the same as the other animals in nature do. As to whether it will save animals or not, it will, but that doesn't mean vegetarians are better than others. We are all animals, we all eat living things, whether they are animals or plants. We just eat the most because of our thumbs and brains. I don't have a problem with people who want to go vegetarian, so long as they do not attempt to force their ideals on me or make themselves out to be greater human beings because of their choice.    |
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even as sport, the animal is not wasted. it becomes a part of nature. Or if u wanna get all scientific, bacteria will decompose the animal and it will be food for the plants :D so it’s not really a waste. but still! I don’t like the idea of clubbing baby seals to death! What kind of sport is that -.- vegetarians who go around scolding omnivores and carnivores for killing animals for food and saying we're ignorant....are displaying ironic ignorance in themselves. and to counter them, I say it's cruel that they consume the very plants that supplement us with oxygen to survive. they are slowly killing US in the process by making us not have enough oxygen. XD 
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on 2009-02-03 19:37:28 (edited 2009-02-03 19:39:00)
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@Raystorm- Despite what the media and washed up celebrities may have you believe, the seal hunt was not and still is not (for many people) a sport, it's a way to survive. Back in the day, merchants and businesses controlled just about everything in Atlantic Canada and the people who lived there worked for them and only made enough to survive. The seal hunt was a creation of the merchants and the process of clubbing the seals was the only means for which the sailors could make a profit, guns would have offset the small money they made. It was a harsh and very dangerous job, far from a sport. However people today treat it as a sport, while some still treat it as a way to survive in dieing outport communities. This has been Jonathon's Slightly Off-topic Newfie History, thanks for watching. (Doing my part to fight washed up actors. I wonder how those hacks would stand if baby seals weren't cute.) |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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PETA...I loathe them more than the English language makes possible for me to express. Don't get me wrong, vegetarians are great, but the moment you try to make moral judgments on me for eating meat...I will slap you with a 'sea-kitten'. Loving animals more than people doesn't make one superior to the rest of us in any way shape or form.  |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-04 05:47:55 |
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In nature omnivores eat both meat and plants. So I don't agree that eating meat is wrong. The only thing a really find wrong is the hunting down of a certain animal to extinction. I think they are just concerned about animals cause they move. they seemed to have missed the fact that plants are also living creatures. |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-04 06:13:29 |
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Maybe. Maybe not. It stills depends on us humans.  |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-04 08:29:21 |
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Trent Reznor spoke his behalf for PETA. SO NOT COOL. >_< I don't like the way vegetarians and vegans express on omnivores and carnivores like me that we eat animals and kill animals for fun. They thought what they do really brought salvation. What happens if this vegan/vegetarian was left stranded to a tiger? The tiger's not gonna protect the vegan. It's food for the tiger, or even a threat that it must be eliminated. Like raystorm said: vegetarians who go around scolding omnivores and carnivores for killing animals for food and saying we're ignorant....are displaying ironic ignorance in themselves. I still remember I watched 'Kill It, Cook It, Eat It' on BBC3 and some participants (vegan, vegetarian, meat squimish, ordinarys) wanted to know how to hunt rabbits in the English countryside. The vegan and the vegetarian really annoyed me, what they said are really biased. And one of the ordinary meat eaters argued that killing animals isn't cruel when it comes to sustain human hunger. What's cruel is war. Them herbivores went silent. Booyah! Nothing should be for fun when hunting and slaughtering animals. It should be respectful during those procedures, to make us appreciate these animals to be existed for our consumption. |
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Hell no. Like people will raise fewer cattle because there are a few new vegeterians in the world.
If each mistake being made is a new one, then progress is being made.
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lol. respond to them by taking a slimjim and eating it in front of them.
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by angel_of_stone
on 2009-02-10 08:52:12 (edited 2009-02-11 18:55:01)
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This argument always get me so pissed off because it shows how illogical people can be. First off, I don't care if someone is a vegetarian/vegan, that is their own choice. However, I don't want someone constantly stuffing their ideals down my throat saying I'm a bad person for eating meat. Anyway, back to the illogices (new word?) of not eating meat to save animals. Humans are an odd species in that we think we are special. We think everything is possible and that whatever we want can be obtained. This is a poor mindset. You want to save all the animals, ok. What do we do with all the beef, poultry, pork, etc. once it has been saved? Release it into the wild? Aside from the fact that domesticated animals wouldn't survive in the wild, there are currently more chickens on earth than people. Imagine what kind of a shock that would put to the ecosystem. Then there is hunting. They don't want us hunting the cute little deers (...thanks Walt) however they b!tch and complain when there are too many car accidents involving deer. Does that mean the next step is to stop people from driving? Or better yet, stop the population growth and urban expansion so that we won't encroach on "their" habitat. Yeah, it wrong to take the animals habitat so instead we'll raze some other country so that we can expand there. Ugh, people that think this way bother me so much... If we should keep anything from dying it should be Intelligence and Logic. Comic about vegetarians (has bad language)
"But as Deepak Chopra taught us, quantum physics means that anything can happen at anytime and for no reason." -Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth
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by pwntsohard
on 2009-02-12 19:31:29
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umm Just to put it in Perspective 1 Carrot can feed 1/50th of a Man, While one Cow can feed 5 people. So lets all pretend we are all vegetarians... How much of the Earth will be covered in vegetables and how much for us to live in? I only understand vegetarians to the extent that they just dont like eating meat. But when people say they are vegetarians to save animals that is total BS... You refuse meat on the table. You just wasted that animal's life that has died in place of your hunger.
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-12 20:00:37 |
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"I only understand vegetarians to the extent that they just dont like eating meat. But when people say they are vegetarians to save animals that is total BS... You refuse meat on the table. You just wasted that animal's life that has died in place of your hunger." Vegetarians way of thinking is that by not eating meat, they are cutting down on the demand for it (albeit not by much, but this works on the one small difference can add up philosophy) and by reducing demand for a product, less of it is produced, which means less animals are killed. The more people that go vegan, the less people are buying meat, which means the less demand there is for it and less gets produced. The animal only died because people wanted it's meat, the animal didn't die because a certain quota of meat has to be put out and if people aren't eating it then it rots. |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-13 01:15:35 (edited 2009-02-13 01:36:56)
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@Angel of Stone: LOL satire at its best xD Jon: Vegetarians way of thinking is that by not eating meat, they are cutting down on the demand for it (albeit not by much, but this works on the one small difference can add up philosophy) and by reducing demand for a product, less of it is produced, which means less animals are killed. The more people that go vegan, the less people are buying meat, which means the less demand there is for it and less gets produced. The animal only died because people wanted it's meat, the animal didn't die because a certain quota of meat has to be put out and if people aren't eating it then it rots. Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall (a British chef) isn't a vegetarian, but he has a strong hate over standard-range products, where the livestock ie chicken aren't reared ethically, by caging a massive number of chickens in one large coop, it's so damn crowded, many chickens die due to lack of running, walking and even air. What I'm trying to say is, along with Jon's opinion, meat are sold at cheap prices, hence higher amounts of meat, the demands are unpredictable yet contributing more wastage and also not showing respect to these livestock's suffering (believe me, most consumers nowadays are never wanting to know how the livestock are brought up, because in the end, them animals will end up on their dining plates). Instead of being a vegetarian/vegan, at least try make a demonstration over improving the livestock rearing conditions and its procedures, free-range instead of standard range. (Some have this RSPCA-approved seal for ethical procedures applied within the business) |
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I think it would, because if i'm not mistaken vegetarianism goes more than just not eat food that comes from living beings, but as well industrial products that have components originated from animals (it's said in my country that from a cow only the muuuu is not used for something). Certainly that would avoid the killing of millions of cows, chickens, pigs and others. But i think the problem is that to replace many products that comes from animals the industry would likely turn to some petroleum derived product, something that would lead to more pollution, though i cannot say if that would top or not the amount of methane produced by countless animals around the world.. However i don't think people is prepared to accept such change. Regarding the animal welfare, its something that has to be addressed cause if the animal is stressed or not feeling well, its weight gaining is lower (leading to increase of production costs), the meat is not soft enough (something that development country customers do love and demand when negotiate the contracts). Even in slaughtering.. the killing part have to be done the fastest possible so it wont compromise the meat's quality, except on religious slaughtering that requires the taking of all the blood before the slicing (that's tough to watch, notably on cow T_T) Regarding waste of meat.. only on the consumer like you and i, because, industrially it all goes to something, like for instance those chicken nuggets, it's basically meat leftover with some spice and other stuff XDD. I hope i haven't gone way off topic. |
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I'd like to point out to vegetarians that they've at some point (or are still) washing themselves with soap made with animal fat. bahahah. ironic.
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-14 05:23:55 (edited 2009-02-14 05:27:33)
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shige2: "kill animals for money and experience" That's... quite a bold statement. ALARMINGLY bold statement. ray: I'd like to point out to vegetarians that they've at some point (or are still) washing themselves with soap made with animal fat. bahahah. ironic. Quorn is the imitated meat product. Marshmallows have animal gelatine in it. sam: Regarding waste of meat.. only on the consumer like you and i, because, industrially it all goes to something, like for instance those chicken nuggets, it's basically meat leftover with some spice and other stuff XDD. I freakin' hate meat leftovers. Of course it will be a real waste for not making money out of it, but some unregulated meat factories would use banned organs like brain to make sausages and chicken nuggets. The preservatives, MSG and artificials makes it worse. |
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by jepchupogi
on 2009-02-18 16:30:08
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Point 1: I don't think that vegetarianism will save animals, in fact it will be detrimental to those livestock, and other domesticated animals which became very dependent on us. For example, cows. Cows long ago were not that fat with black and white spots as we see now on milk cartons, rather they look much like wild bulls roaming around before we domesticated them. They were crossbred over and over to get the highest "yield" per cow, then fed with a formulated foodstuff to increase that yield. This, of course was done because there is a demand for it. Now, for example, we buy into this vegetarian outlook (not vegan, please) "to save the animals" such as the cow. We free them from their "evil" ranchers and let them go their own way in the wild. They won't even recognize predators, they would be reluctant to eat anything because it does not resemble the foodstuff that we fed them, and finally, but hopefully not they become extinct. This also applies to chickens, which are now flightless (what happened to them Dodo birds?). So, to recap, these domesticated animals will actually suffer the most if there will be sufficient and significant number of us who turn to vegetarianism to "save the animals". Large farms will be forced to close due to their unprofitability, and these defenseless animals will be left to defend for themselves. Point 2: By having a constant demand for these meat, the cow will never be extinct. Drawing from the concept of economics the "tragedy of the commons" (wiki it if you don't know), anything common, that is, not owned by anyone but by the community, is prone to abuse. We see an example of this in overfishing, mass deforestation etc... We ask why this happen, this is because, to us, there is no extra cost of getting "one more" resource. This is of course multiplied to a lot of people with the same mentality. In the end, we get no fish and a bald mountain. On the other hand, these cows have protection from us, even if we argue that they become private property, they have laws to preserve themselves and owners which strive to preserve them. This "turning into property" becomes a solution of many economic books to preserving endangered animals, such as elephants, gorillas etc... Because when turned into private property (even by the state as in a natural reserve or parks), and giving the owners profits, at the very least, their species are guaranteed to exist even to our grandchildren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For vegetarians to suggest to us a lifestyle of vegetarianism, they must consider these points among others and provide a (what's their favorite word?) "sustainable" solution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- please don't be afraid to criticize my post. I actually encourage it.  |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-20 18:30:25 |
Don't think so.     |
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Re: Vegetarianism: Will it Really Save Animals?
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on 2009-02-20 18:42:18 |
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at least they trying to decrease it..so the demand of meat not so much, its better than do nothing i say.   |
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