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Do we have to...?
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on 2008-03-04 20:57:04 |
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Do we as humans have to believe in a higher power, something greater and more powerful than us? Is it possible to not believe in anything...? I wanna hear others opinions on this.
"There are few people i would sacrifice something for and many people i would sacrifice a lot for, but there are only two people i would sacrifice everything for." ~ A quote by me! ~ (I think its original)
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on 2008-03-04 21:48:05 (edited 2008-03-04 21:48:30)
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I see no need for it. 
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on 2008-03-04 22:00:31 |
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that is what yoy call faith, the belief in something unseen. i don't know if we really have to, but i think people thought of that because they wanted to find answers in their questions which seem impossible to be answered, that this being is the reason why unexpected and unexplainable things happen to them and why they live. they also ask this being the impossible things they wanted to get but cannot do so. in other words, people who started religion fabricated things from their own thoughts to provide explanations for things. |
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on 2008-03-04 22:55:26 |
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I think it's more of a personal and individual decision on your own to make. "Humans" is too big of a group; something much smaller will do or just a single person is perfect. It depends on one's philosophies towards life itself and one's own religion, because that can be a major roll as well Maybe a group of people together who believe in the same thing like religious groups or something can relate. But for my answer to this question, I don't have to believe. Humans don't have to believe because we're all different. Humans all don't believe in the same thing or follow the same paths in life as everyone else. It's almost like "do you believe in God?" Some do, some don't, some are in between or are confused, etc. The true group to ask is not a group of people, it's more of an individual type thing. That is what I believe. 
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on 2008-03-04 23:11:15 (edited 2008-03-04 23:18:44)
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Far from being needed, belief in a higher power is one of the greatest cause of human suffering. People have been oppressed by the religious elite claiming to possess a higher power. People have sought war on the grounds of orders upon high. Religion is an amalgamation of superstition and moral messages. The worst lie ever is that getting rid of religion requires getting rid of morals. You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water. Do throw out the bath water, won't you please?
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on 2008-03-05 12:10:45 |
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Gendou have a point on religion cause human suffering. But imho, it not always so. There are people who are able to stand until today because of their believe. They have a thing called "hope", whether it's truth or false. Their "faith" make their belief the "truth" at least inside their mind. One's mind is what of one's world. Their hope and dreams are their pillar of life. Most of humans are so fragile, they couldn't stand own their own. They might went into the war because of their religion. But you know what? I think those who suffer and die in the war may be happy and proud because they believe they are going to heaven. At least, they might smile until the last second they close their eyes. End, they had a happy life worshiping their god. I am agree with DA. It is rather an individual question. Me? I hardly believe in religion. Those who speaks about it in front of me was nonsense. That's why.
Dream ends when we wake up and life ends when we die.
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on 2008-03-06 02:59:43 |
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Religion is an excuse to war and a way for folks to feel no guilt or shame for their bad actions. Another way to make money and to take what others have earned by forcefully changing common view on it. So that there is no revolt from those who are upset at what is carried out. Example. Knights Templar, supremo holy knights with a good reputation. They help folks on their pilgrimages and for a small fee hold their belongings so bandits cannot take them. Behold the worlds first banking system (it's all true). The catholic church (at the time there were no protestants), created the Templars and stationed them in the holy lands. They became fearful of the wealth the templars. They brand the Templars as pagans (bear in mind paganism is completely peaceful and in no way how the church branded it) and hunted them till they were all dead. They then took control of the templar riches and the role they played at the holy lands, but with more 'monetarily efficient' methods. Bullying tactics to get more money from travellers and using possessions and even family members as hostages against huge amounts of interest on rates to travel to and fro. Essentially they were highwaymen. That's just one example. Then you got to look at stuff like the persecution of the Jews. The almost never ending fights between sects of Islam in the middle east. It's all a load of crap. People just don't want to feel responsible for their actions. I am a very spiritual man, don't get me wrong. I believe there are things that exist that we'll never understand (or weren't meant to understand). But I also believe that we all know the difference between right and wrong. I don't need a damn book of verse to tell me that I shouldn't go around stabbing folks to death. And as for hope, I have hope, I hope for things all the time, but I am believer in fate and critical points in time and space being manipulated to suit that hope. This is a huge argument, one that will go on for all time. The main reason being is that there really are no straight factors that can be defined, outlined and calculated. Maybe it is down to the individual, but you can be certain that if someones beliefs conflict with my survival, no god is gonna save them. And that is the difference. I may be spiritual, but that doesn't mean I rely on it for my survival.  |
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"A man is twice armed if he fights with faith." Believing in a higher power is an attempt by man to come to terms with the vicissitudes of life and move on. As for the whole edifice that's been built around it, that's just bullshit, a sham concocted by some privateers and sadists with an appetite for violence and discord.  --> |
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Re: Do we have to...?
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on 2008-03-07 03:04:19 |
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Maybe Religion is the cause of many wars, but it also makes lots of people happy. And anyway, the world is overpopulated enough. If people fight for religion and feel happy doing it then it's almost a win win situation! Not that i'm promoting war or anything...but if people are going to kill each other I think it's better to fight for "God" than a politician.
The Chobits Effect - the feeling of happiness and fulfillment that can be felt while watching or just after watching a kick ass anime XD
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Re: Do we have to...?
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on 2008-03-07 03:08:29 (edited 2008-03-07 03:12:59)
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By "come to terms with the vicissitudes of life" I take it you mean accepting one's mortality, imperfection, and the occasional run of bad luck. These seem to be human traits which we all possess. I see no reason why it follows that, because we are human, some higher power exists outside the framework of the natural sciences. It is an unnecessary and illogical conclusion. Sure, it may feel good to think that a parental all-mighty spirit is in control of the universe, sharing His love with us all. It also feels good to think that I'm the king of the world. Neither of these are true, and I would be foolish to go around proclaiming either. The real challenge to coming to terms with one's own humanity (mortality, imperfection, bad luck, etc.) is humility. This good moral attitude is encouraged by most religions. However, I see no need to deliver good morals along with supernatural packing peanuts. Good morals are not fragile. Twisted morals, like blowing yourself up for 70 virgins in heaven, are fragile, however, and MUST be packed in plenty of supernatural packing peanuts. Don't be fooled.
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Typicaly, as humans, we have to belive in something. Thats not saying we should be all religious, or push a religon on people. It way be something as simple as beliveing their is a particular way to act or behave, or that science is the absolute truth, or that God offers his belivers a place in heven. Its all up the individual. Personally, I have never seen something so perfectly writen and accepted that it has absolutly no pluasiblity of being wrong, now or ever. So this is where faith comes in, again ont as a religion, but as something one simply chooses to belive in. Also- I have to agree that historicaly religion has brought suffering on many people, although I wouldnt so much blame religion as I would human error and greed. And the typical superiority complex most people had and have, thinking they (as a race or species- its all the same) are superior and should force their lifestyle and belifes on the 'lessers', or force them to work for their supieriors in an attempt at 'salvation'. (Sorry for any misspellings in there) |
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on 2008-03-14 03:44:59 |
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You can't blame religion for the actions of some folks, I have to agree. But it is a tool. A tool used by those who are greedy, overambitious and just generally really shoddy people. But if folks are willing to accept this tool as a governing power in their lives and act in barbaric ways without guilt because of it, that's completely wrong. I have to agree with Gendou, good morals are not fragile. I would not budge for my morals even so much as a tick. My morals make me what I am. They are the foundation upon which I base my existence and I justify my actions. The same can be aid for religions, but there is a major difference. I made my choices and my morals. They were influencd by events that have happened to me in life that have both taught and humbled me. I wasn't given spiritual guidance and I wasn't going to take someone elses word for what is right and wrong. I learned for myself. Because of that I can never blame my life, my actions or their consequences on anyone but myself. |
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on 2008-03-14 07:42:32
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There are two major religion vision in this earth now : a life full with peace, moral and wiseness, and a life with agreed that we can't stand highly without something 'all-est' that has create this world and us. I'm the second one. You will always bored up if your perception was the first one. The true faith built based on how big u love our creator, not faith that based on prosperity and heaven from good moral and follow the bible. I can only say, all of u are able to feel His love, because He's really our father. Just try to call His name when you fell in a deep drown. |
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Re: Do we have to...?
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on 2008-03-17 07:42:11 |
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Personally, I do fine even though I'm 100% Atheist. I just don't believe in a "higher being", at all. Though there are things I BELIEVE in, just not any "gods". Religion as such isn't needed, I don't think, but I think we need to believe in something. Be that a god, spirital guide, or yourself.  |
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on 2008-03-17 07:58:57 |
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i beleve that ones own beleaf only distracts him or her of there sin. i cant get over this on do i have to sleep on the same bed as my wife?
life is all math and friends.
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Re: Do we have to...?
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on 2008-03-17 08:00:19 |
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I would assume if you married someone you are going to sleep in the same bed? I didn't quite understand that one dood. |
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Re: Do we have to...?
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on 2008-03-17 08:04:41 |
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my wife say that every couple MUST sleep on the same bed. i still sleep with her (not the other one. and she is as cuddly as a panda) but i want your oppenion on this
life is all math and friends.
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when religion is practiced by a group (and they all are -_-) something is bound to go wrong, like holy wars in the name of their lawrd, etc. But religion to the individual can be a rewarding experience and give one happiness that they cannot find in material things. I must partially disagree with you, gendou, for religion is not always bad. without it, there wouldn't be christmas, or hanukkah, or easter, or halloween, or... (goes off to name every other religious holiday). but the topic is 'do we have to believe in a higher power?' and the answer is no. you don't have to, but you can if you want to. might I suggest God, or Allah, Yahweh (well they're the same person), or maybe even Buddha (tho he wasn't really a god, some of his followers believe so)? 
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on 2008-03-18 03:29:26 |
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I love christmas. Gives me an excuse to bunk off and waste time. |
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Last but not the least, religion even created atheists! Inspite of causing all sorts of ridiculous clashes between humans, religion actually opened the doors for some spiritualists, who found a way to live. Yet, I think they should teach their children to find an alternative way to obtain peace in life. Cause the new age seeks for new changes.  |
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