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Can we say that opportunity is an element of nature to set ourselves into a rank, as referring to natural selection? [for example]What I mean is that, is opportunity more evident to people of higher rank or class? For example, you are from a rich and renowned family. Would it then follow that you will be open to more opportunities than those of the lower class?Or take acting as an example. You are born with good facial features and God-given body, then, would it follow that you'll be open to more doors than usual, natural and simple individuals? Or opportunity is a chance, a choice and a gift to you which leaves you between a tight situation: to select it or to neglect its presence? I found myself in between these two definitions. I want an answer. Please. |
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on 2008-01-22 01:44:38 |
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i choose the second one setting opportunity is a element of nature that set ourselves into rank, as referring to natural selection more like vague explanation to me.... but still what is the element of nature that set us into rank ??? for once i believe opportunity is not part of nature opportunity is chance well that's correct, but about the part of between a tight situation well i rather said not, because opportunity is a chance, but not a choice, the choice is what you make, whether you take the chance or not taking it, or just ignore it. it is not waiting for your decision opportunity well come and go as it please, the thing is you take it or not 
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on 2008-01-22 02:47:31 |
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Can you really set people into rank? Nature doesn't do it, only society does that. And nature and society (at least human society) are two opposing forces. I can't say for certain but I put opportunity in the same explanation I put fate. It's a choice. A choice which will have many outcomes. You will always arrive at that choice if you've made a certain series (or even a single) choice beforehand to lead you to it. Thus you reach the fate/choice/opportunity. Then you choose what you want to do. Ignore the option, or take any number of actions in regard to it; either way it all has consequences after it. I can't explain it very well, but that's the best I can do.  |
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@renshi & key What I mean is that, is opportunity more evident to people of higher rank or class? For example, you are from a rich and renowned family. Would it then follow that you will be open to more opportunities than those of the lower class? Or take acting as an example. You are born with good facial features and God-given body, then, would it follow that you'll be open to more doors than usual, natural and simple individuals? |
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on 2008-01-22 03:21:11 |
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Ah, in which case I can say that if you are from certain higher class social status then no, you aren't prone to see more opportunities. I come from a very poor back ground. I've struggled quite badly my entire life. But I've never been short of opportunity. It all depends where you place yourself. I may never have been from a high class family, but because of that, I have a very down to earth and grounded character. Someone who has had everything given to them will never have had to learn to look for the opportunities. Learning to look for opportunities is itself its own opportunity. As for natural selection I have to disagree again. I started martial arts as a weedy and very quiet spoken kid. I am now (without trying to sound too much like an egocrazy) very strong and outspoken. That wasn't through me being perfect martial arts material. That's through, by chance me going to a Dojo and enjoying what I was doing. Then taking it further beyond anything I could imagine. I have seen many people pass in and out of my dojo, some who would have made perfect martial artists, but they never lasted. However, because of the path I chose it moulded me into being very well suited for something else. Last year I passed my basic training for the army. I received the award for the best recruit. According to my superiors I was perfect soldier material. I was better than everyone at everything and I was very well like by my comrades. It's all about choices and change. Maybe it is natural selection. But then again if you want something bad enough and you work for it, the opportunities do present themselves. *A side note and something to think about. A month after I finished my training I had a seizure and was rushed to hospital. Following a series of seizures whilst in the hospital, I was diagnosed with epilepsy. This evidently ended my military career. I suppose that's what I mean by fate. Stuff that was gonna happen either way. I wasn't gonna stay in the army, but maybe I needed something from training with them. What that was I'm sure I don't know. What I do know is, regardless of whether I'd decided to join the army or not, the epilepsy was there and it was going to present itself when it did.* |
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on 2008-01-22 03:49:38 (edited 2008-01-22 06:46:53)
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then i'm sorry for what i said after this people from higher social status have more opportunity, it's been stated in sociology, if you learn about that subject. sure people from lower class have opportunity but not as much as people in higher class, the opportunity i'm saying including privileged you can get. renshi sho might be the one cases that is an exception, why i said this, well because not many lower class people have much opportunity. in sociology higher class people mean having more privilege and advantage thus resulting opportunity that might have come, meaning higher range of opportunity while lower class have opportunity also but the range is smaller well if you have sociology book that contain this matter (social class) then you might understand what i'm trying to said for something like facial, there are two possibility well, look at the reality, some climb up the classes stairs because they become famous the quick way is become a celebrity, thus face taken into count, or voices, or hot body. in this said the person, has been offered opportunity to higher class by becoming a celebrity. now have you notice something from what i said??? if you only taken this statement bluntly you can said higher class and lower class have same opportunity. but they are not there is a handsome guy, with good body, what opportunity he got to raise class?? celebrity for instance way of course. but for that he has to come look for production house, do a really hardwork to get up his social status that the only perfect opportunity he got then this rich guy, with average and below face (doubt that) well, why i doubt that?? because first for facial (to become a celebrity) he can fix it, by the power of maoney he can go to facial clinic and all that, and because the power of money he can advertise himself see for higher classes opportunity is wider **** i'm going to look at wiki for this type of matter, add the post later on ********* this is for social classes well it was talking about social classes if you don't understand the relevances you can ask me this is for relates topic achieved status VS ascribed status
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on 2008-01-22 04:16:12 |
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I don't know about sociology at all. But I can see where you're coming from. The old 'born with a silver spoon in your mouth' thing. It is true a lot of lower class folk don't have those privileges. A lot of them won't even try to fight their way out, to be honest. What a sad shame. By the way, it may sound strange but you're not the first person to call me an 'exception to the rule' I get it all the time (I take it as a compliment, in requisite vorticity you need to exists/nonexist as an exception to all rules). Thanks for tweaking my interest a bit, guys I'm gonna go research a little too. |
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on 2008-01-22 04:31:41 |
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FYI i'm not, it just that my sociology teachers really took the teaching seriously that he read many books like max weber and all, and so we student has come to memorize it, the theories and such since it will be coming to the exams of course like i said it was based on the sole fact of sociology knowledge, not that because of my opinions my sole opinion was in the very first post i write for the exception part it was also stated in sociology that some of them strive to make their life better thus the goes up their class eventually but with hard work and by the first paragraph of your ^ post you just have agree by sociology term and condition of social classes (ignoring the sarcasm) it is said that some fought out their way but a lot are not to make their social class better by max weber if my memory are correct
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on 2008-01-22 06:33:31 |
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Ah, I see, sorry if I sounded a bit stupid. I do have a terrible habit of wording things very poorly and even worse a habit of misinterpreting written word. My apologies. |
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on 2008-01-22 12:56:55 |
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"people from higher social status have more opportunity"- yeah, that's true. But the opportunities they get are not always the things that can change the world's most serious situations i.e war, poverty. I hate celebs who has the opportunity to be a CONSIDERABLE famous star for doing rubbish stuffs. Like becoming a tv reality star. Make a havoc out of him/herself for popularity. That kind of opportunity really cringes me. In my opinion, opportunity is always there. It's up to the person to take that opportunity. It's a thing of motivation and determination. Does not matter he/she is rich or poor, they will get the opportunity to change his/her lives. Ranking makes the idea more stereotypical. It's not even a nature to set into ranks whatsoever. It's like only rich educated people can be a successful entrepreneur. No. There are poor uneducated ones who has the creative problem-solving skills can be a very good, efficient entrepreneurs. Being an entrepreneur is not only about having the opportunity to maximise profits, it's mostly about having the opportunity to utilise one's creativity and motivation and determination to run a business. And those entrepreneurs are usually came from average and poor backgrounds. They somewhat use the opportunity to maximise their potential, skills and entrepreneurial-like experiences during rough times. |
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Hmmmmm. Opportunity definately does not determine rank. Whether which class you're in warrants you more opportunity, I'm not sure. What kind of opportunities are we talking about? Opportunities to succeed? Opportunities to fail? All opportunity? I find it interesting that you mention acting as an example, without mentioning actual "acting" at all, haha. Of course I know you mean that pretty people are liked, unless they're jerks. >.> But seriously, that would mean you take opportunity to be "what the people want". Here's a syllogism for you. 1. Opportunity is gained by making people happy. 2. People can be made happy by being given lots of money. 3. Therefore, if you are rich, you have more opportunity? (circular argument) ^ At first glance it's messed up, but is it really? In other words, you cannot be wealthy without many opportunities, but cannot have many opportunities without wealth. Mindblowing stuff, huh? By accident, you answered your own question by stating that opportunity was wealth, so to say. The second view was that opportunity is a choice. Well, do you believe in God? Let's have another syllogism. 1. Do you believe in God? 2. If you do, does he decide your actions? 3. If he decides your actions for you, you have no voice in the matter, and don't have to worry about it. 4. If he does not decide your actions, since our mind and bodies are based on God's, as long as we act within God's knowledge, we'll make the right choice. (so it isn't really a tough decision) 5. So if you believe in God, you have all your bases covered. 6. If you don't believe in God, you're left to your own devices. That's all. =( Now on to sociology. First off, Max Weber was a political/religious sociologist, so his theories don't really apply here. One also has to keep in mind that sociology differs from region to region, and also changes over time. So whearas sociology is a study heavily relying on time and current trends, opportunity is trying to be defined universally and is not restricted by time. If opportunity was trying to be defined using sociology, you'd have many different definitions. In short, sociology can't accomplish this. Unless of course you set a timeframe. =P Hope this makes sense, haha. =S
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on 2008-01-23 00:48:28 |
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@inuyasha ah that true i could say a word against it sure that sociology base on region, and true that i stated max weber there but i stated him because well he is the one that i can remembered having theories about social class by the statement of region there are variety of social classes in many different country but the general knowledge of it are almost the same whether on india that really do have class, or is it goes to Australia then move further to America, then to china all have their own social classes but the main idea still the same and for the part that sociology cannot define opportunity unless the timeframe is set, well that's true but TC (fahrenh) has already set the frame "What I mean is that, is opportunity more evident to people of higher rank or class? For example, you are from a rich and renowned family. Would it then follow that you will be open to more opportunities than those of the lower class? Or take acting as an example. You are born with good facial features and God-given body, then, would it follow that you'll be open to more doors than usual, natural and simple individuals?"
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That's very interesting, it kinda skipped my mind. =D Just because I'm unsure, what aspects of sociology are common between different peoples? =O
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| opportunity is a chance, a choice and a gift.I prefer this to define opportunity.People wit higher rank and lower rank, there's a lot of difference and gap between them... Most of the higher rank people are rich, smart, pretty or handsome and have good personality. But, if you think about it more, they are still just human right?Some maybe born with it... But most of them grab the opportunity to be smart, pretty and so on. And you mention in tight situation... well no matter what is the outcome, you should always grab the opportunity. Give and take, I'll say. You can't be so greedy to have all the good ones. This is life. Pretty sad.Recently, I participated a camp...Make some new friends... Quite fun... Then I thought of something... I lost many opportunity to learn, to make new friends. So, grab the opportunity, don't leave another regret in your life. |