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on 2008-01-01 01:23:08 (edited 2008-01-01 01:23:50)
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an0ther thread based on my another thinking -fate, can we life against it? -sometimes fate effects our life,,? -are we can't change our fate? s0metimes, though we have done everything for some purpose,,it couldn't happen as we wanted before because our fate! -do you agree with me if i say that all of our fate,,will lead us to better living? even if it was go0d or bad? -please tell any reason for your statement |
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Re: FATE
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well at first what is fate?? do you drink because it's your fate? do you eat because it's your fate?? do you play because it's your fate?? or do you kill because it's your fate??? the statement fate is a blurred statement, some may say because it's my fate, but really??? alright here it is, some movie and fantasy novel have main character that all goes by fate, i mean, they have been fated to save the world, and those bla..bla..bla well it's a book the writer decided the fate of the character [here i don't go to religious statement cause the result will be very varied] so back again, what is fate?? something you must do?? someting you destined to do?? aw please... there always another way to looked at option, well then let take the example of the novel shall we, you are fated to save the world, the burden of the entire world is in your shoulder, obviously the writer make the char carried those burden and emerged as a victor, but if it a real human, he could choose not too, whether it been fated for many year, the act of human is not predetermined by something called fate, but i can clearly said that we can control human life, the arrangement of nature, interaction, and state of mind can be use to direct one human to choose the option one best interest. for example good negotiator, he can talked to make other choose the path he want 
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Re: FATE
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on 2008-01-01 09:28:44 (edited 2008-01-01 19:58:37)
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My opinion in this is a always a little on and off. Humans obvisouly have a choice in what they want to do in life but can you really change everything about your life? I dont think so. Sure you can be hard working,nice to others, and good to yourself which all is great and can help you have a happier life, but can you choice to make a real difference in life? Can you choice to really be useful? Those are the things you can't change in my opinion. And no matter what you do, it'll always be the same.  
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Re: FATE
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on 2008-01-01 12:08:53 (edited 2008-01-01 12:09:39)
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The word fate is a human constructed world view that attempts to solve the problem of the unidirectional nature of time. It fails. Events are seen, from the human perspective (which is to say, from the point of view of a single vantage point in space-time) as occurring in either the past or the future. Also, with the exception of certain stellar events, we only pay attention to events that occur very close by, so we see events right when they happen, or not at all. To make sense of this, our brains split up the world into the past and present. The problem comes when we try to recall information from what was the future, but has now become the past, such as our last birthday. It was stored in the brain in a location designated "future activities", but now has to be re-designated as a "past activity". This shift in context is disturbing. We conclude that since all future events will eventually be placed in the past events drawer, we might as well accept that all future events are past events to our future self. We have now BECOME the future self, in our imagination, for all intents and purposes. The reality of that future self is profound, albeit imagined and contrived. We never see cups fall and break, then later appear on the shelf as though they had never fallen, unless we watch old home movies. That is to say, events in the past are immutable, but future outcomes are uncertain. With this future self in mind, however, we see all of time as an immutable past, and panic. Some people have escaped this panic by accepting that "fate" is unavoidable. This act of bending over and accepting fate is abused as an excuse for making immoral decisions. Making a decision is a difficult thing to understand. It's also sort of off topic, I think. The decisions we make are, from the null perspective, a product of the laws of biochemistry, and nothing more. From our perspective, however, making decisions is an important act of creating the future the way you want it. 
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Those are great points that acount for when the subject has substantial control of the situation. But what happens when there is no control for the subject. For example: A crowd is in a bank. During a bloched robbery, a robber fires several shots into the crowd. Even though there is little the individual members can do to increase the chances of avoiding or recieve a shot as the shots are random. Those who were struck done, was it their fate? Destiny? or the lame-man's attempt deny cold statistics? |
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Re: FATE
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A lot of people over-do the "Fate" thing, thinking that life revolves around it. Some things could be plumb fate, but other things in your life are shaped by your actions and what you do. Just like Damean said, if a robber did fire shots into a crowd, it's not fate that a select few were hit, but just that those were the odds. That's what happened, fate didn't make the robber shoot tom and mary, it was just what happened. I mean, something that can't be explained or that can't be classified as science, that could have something to do with fate. How ever you look at it, that's how you look at in and that's my opinion.  |
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Re: FATE
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Those struck by random fire are not killed by fate, or destiny, bad luck, or the tooth fairy. They are killed by bullets. The trajectories of a chaotic stream of bullets is, by nature of being chaotic, highly unpredictable. Unpredictable, yes, but still governed by the laws of mechanics. Like I explained above, there is no NEED to explain uncertainty. It is a part of measuring experiments, a part of the natural world. We don't need to deify it, or attribute "bad luck" to some cosmic immutable story line. Instead, we can look for ways to stop the bullets from hitting people, or look for ways to stop their bleeding, etc. It is perfectly possible to get "stuck" in the "what if" and "how come" for one's hole life, never accomplishing anything. This is foolish. Fate is a foolish concept.
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Re: FATE
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on 2008-01-02 17:20:34 (edited 2008-01-02 17:21:24)
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Damean have you tried watch Numb8rs it's a really good film with math in it when the main char said to the police to explain his theory he told that the police should place themselves in random and what do you know even though they goes for random, they also create a pattern of almost evenly distribute and as for what i imagine when the robbery enter even they shot at random, the first one in their random target should be the way they are facing then move wider, shooting random as the range of the robber central vision, and that's the pattern, if you out of the central vision and quickly avoid any suspicious act that will lead the robber uneasy then you will highly not going to be shoot
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Fate isn't real is another man made construct to give us a simple answer. It also comes in handy as a nice excuse for many "unavoidable" acts.  |
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-fate, can we life against it? YES -sometimes fate effects our life? NO -are we can't change our fate? YES -do you agree with me if i say that all of our fate, will lead us to better living? even if it was go0d or bad? NO There's no "FATE" in this world. I make my own life and I don't believe in "FATE" |
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Re: FATE
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on 2008-01-02 22:23:02 (edited 2008-01-02 22:23:27)
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wait, isn't "FATE" the end boss in Chrono Cross?
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Re: FATE
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hahaha, omfg that was hilarious and unexpected gendou-sama! Anyway, to the point... -Fate, can we life against it? Yes, because its fated to happen -Sometimes fate effects our life? Rephrase that? -Are we can't change our fate? Same as first response -Sometimes, though we have done everything for some purpose,it couldn't happen as we wanted before because our fate! Wtf? -Do you agree with me if i say that all of our fate, will lead us to better living, even if it was good or bad? Another "Wtf?" Some of these statements/ questions are very vague and hard to make sense of. From a logical prospective, "fate" is a concept related, or subtopiced, with "time." And through Eistein's theories, the concept of "time" expands from the center of the "big bang," therefore altering the "time" from here (Earth) and Pluto. For example, if you've traveled out to Pluto, the time would take you *10* years, (*don't know the real time*), but here on Earth, it appear that you were gone for 25 years! This phenomenon, is yet to be explained, or unexplained to me, (^_^)! So, in retrospect, the events of fate would be pre-determined from the expansion of the universe, via time and the theory of time. Ha, if this is confusing, tell me. I have a habit of leaving things out :P   "To bring you back into this world I’d break every rule Machines try to take me to hell I don’t really care I do it for love" dolly - HYDE <--- [ Naruto: Shippuden | NecroCircus ] ---> |
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on 2008-01-03 00:01:47 (edited 2008-01-03 00:02:01)
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shinjinrui, that's, like, off topic and yea... O_o;
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