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on 2007-08-09 16:04:40 |
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...no-one deserves to die, no matter who they are and what they have done... Well, there are people who really deserve to die, but that does not mean all criminals deserve to.   |
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| I dont think its right as everyone has a right to live even if they killed so in the end they are taking away the killers right to live. |
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by ryolover618
on 2007-08-09 16:41:07 (edited 2007-08-09 16:41:22)
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I think it's bad To me a serial killer is just a guy running around killing people for no reason....................................  |
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by wind-spear5
on 2007-08-09 23:30:27 (edited 2007-08-09 23:37:56)
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I would have to partially disagree with that logic Ryolover, because there are some people that there would be some people that believe that what they are doing is indeed righteous, and that what they're doing is not wrong. Now if serial killers only targeting other serial killers then the individual(s) is then taking the law in to their own hands, and therefore not only is the person committing a series of murders, but also is a vigilante(s), and will take the law into their own hands by indeed killing other serial killers. Now I like this thread simply because I can do a Death Note reference. Now serial killers killing other serial killers would be like Light Yagami using the Death Note to rid the world of people he deemed evil, and that would be taking matters in to their own hands just as Light is doing with the Death Note. Now somebody will come along to stop the serial killer just as L appeared to stop Light from killing all the "evil people". Now if the serial killer kills the person trying to stop him, and then the opposer would have a successor take his place just like L had Near and Mello to take over the task of stopping Light from killing "evil people" Now Ryolover: I agree with your statement up to a certain point, and that is because people think differently, and my decision to respond to your statement is evidence of that. I also notice that people also taken into consideration that Death Note as a story is asking the question all throughout the manga/anime: "What is your sense of justice?". Now some people would agree with Light philosophy and say that all criminals deserve to die, but there would be others that would take to L's philosophy more likely than Light's because L's philosophy is common sense, and there is more compassion for those who wish to repent their sins later on in life. Now there are some people in this thread that have indeed taken to Light's philosophy by saying: "well, there are people who really deserve to die, but that does not mean all criminals deserve to", but at the same time there are people who agree with L's philosophy by saying: "no-one deserves to die, no matter who they are and what they have done" Now Ryolover(everybody else as well) I ask that whenever you would like to say something please put some thought into your opinion, and also when you put more thought into your opinion you will have statements to back up your opinion, and people will actually take the time to to REALLY think about what you've said in your opinion. Well that's all the ranting I will do for now, and if a topic en trigs me into saying something: I will be there to make another rant, and until then see you later. |
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Re: Serial Killer; Good Or Bad?
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on 2007-08-10 09:16:57 |
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One of the first serial killer was a french man named Landru, he used to come with his wives in a house in the far campaing. It was during the 19th century. After killing her, it cat out the corpses with a saw and put the pieces in his chimney. But he wasn't doing it on purpose. So first of all, I would disagree those who says serial killer kill on purpose and save innocent one. They are mostly insane, frequently rapist and sometimes drug-addict. now, the question that if a serial killer is good or not join the question "do we have the right to kill". It's a question near the one concerning death penalty. there are many examples we could use to say "we have the right to kill" but it's according to a certain philosophy: samuraï were thinking that death could save their honor in certain situation, so they authorized a person to kill them during the practice of the sepuku. The argument we would have against the right to kill is "we can make a mistake and kill the bad person" I think that's why police exist: to demonstrate the truth. Curiously, we are asking ourselves if a serial killer is a good thing or a bad thing. I think the one who put this topic misunderstand serial killer and bounty hunter. the serial killer kills without any reason, the bounty hunter will kill to get money. If we take the example of Death Note, where Raito Yagami take himself for god and try to create a new world of peace by becomming a serial killer, we can see something important: he betray very quickly his own ideals, he wanted to kill criminals but near the end of the 1st tome (see how fast he is) he kills an agent of the F.B.I (Ray Penbar) and not only that, when he kills the criminal Lind L. Tailor at the beginning of the story, he did not kill him because he was a criminal, but because he thought this man was the detective L, and so, an ally of the police. If you want my mind, when I see criminals like child rapist or worse, I think they don't deserve to live. But we can say even for that reason that killing is a good thing. Let's say that, sometimes, it's just necessary |
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on 2007-08-10 09:36:17 (edited 2007-08-10 09:41:05)
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I didn't say serial killers kill to save innocent ones, and I don't agree about all serial killers being mindless insane freaks. I said that some of them had their own set intentions, target, and goals, although those reasons aren't necessarily "bad" or "good". These reasons might even sound "weird" to some people, but it's not necessarily a product of insanity, perhaps just some twisted logic. Like a serial killer who targeted on prostitutes because he believes by doing so, he could make the society "clean". |
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by Mystic Deadman
on 2007-08-10 12:10:11
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@ Mr. Magical: This is my personal opinion, but referencing an anime/manga title doesn't really make for a factual argument, no matter how strong it is. @ Vayne: Your statement about bounty hunters killing for money holds no water. Laws require that licensed bounty hunters bring in wanted criminals alive and unharmed in order to receive any compensation for their efforts. If a bounty hunter were to kill their target, they would likely be charged for murder. Also, the police are not used to demonstrate the truth. That sounds like something a dictator would use when executing someone. The police exist to enforce and protect law and order. Even when a police officer is forced, yes forced, to kill someone, at trials the officer is put under intense questioning to see if there was another way of apprehending the criminal. Back to the topic, to say that killing is necessary at any level is like saying it's okay to steal thousands of dollars worth of items because your family needs them. No matter what the intentions, stealing and killing are wrong, and as human beings, we have absolutely no right to do so. |
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on 2007-08-10 20:38:54 |
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I agree with MegaZero, but I'd like to say something: It's quite a contradiction to say you're against those ones who kill people but you support death penalty and things like that. @__@ You can't justify one single death and make it look like something else... a kill is a kill. But I do believe in self defense... if you're in big danger, and you have to kill to save yourself, do it!, so you won't be the one who's to be dead. =P. We have no right to kill anyone, but that's doesn't stop us from being able to do it.   |
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Serial killers are almost always psychotic... I can't really say they're bad in a sense because most of them are insane.... Death Note is just a fantasy and even then, you could consider the fact that Kira (Light) had some form of psychological problem... Take Jack the Ripper as an example. Research shows that he went around killing prostitutes because his own mother was one. 
~"Bury it... I won't let you bury it ... I won't let you smother it ... I won't let you murder it"~
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| I just want to remind you this, I used the example of the manga on purpose. Yes, using a manga/anime as an example is possible in philosophy, it just asks to be careful when using the example |
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by Mystic Deadman
on 2007-08-13 11:54:24
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| The point of the matter is that serial killers are a problem, no matter what their intentions. No human being has the right to take any life, regardless of whether or not we have the ability to do so. |
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by wind-spear5
on 2007-08-14 01:10:58
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MegaZero I agree that no human being has the right to take the lives of other human beings, but despite that there are people that don't share the same morals as the two of us, and the many others that hold this ideal. Sometimes the question that must be asked is why does a serial killer kill? Now the answer will vary on killer to killer, and the origin of their twisted logic and morals will come from anywhere, and there are so many possibilities out there that I can't even begin to list. Now I like how people have the common sense that killing people is wrong, but what if it's a death row inmate about to become executed? Does the death row inmate deserve to die? Some will say yes, and that is because he or she has committed enough crimes to be stuck in prison for a lifetime, and maybe more. Now how does that prove that people have the right to live regardless of their past actions? The answer is that it doesn't! I believe that using executions is a lame excuse to kill people, and I'm aware I maybe going off track right now, but despite that it can be used to kill off a criminal or terrorist just for that sake of killing them, and removing them from society, and keeping it as "peaceful" as possible. Now MegaZero I'm aware using an anime/manga as reference does not really prove my point to the fullest, but what I'm trying to do is give those who don't understand what I'm talking about an idea, and that they too can contribute to this debate. Do you realize there are people who would not rather talk about subjects like this one? The people that who talk, but can't understand what to say or how to understand it need some kind of foundation, and for some people here in Gendou.com anime/manga is the foundation that will help them understand. Now if this were some other political website I wouldn't even dare using Death Note as a reference simply because yes like you said it doesn't help in terms of factual evidence to the debate at all. Now there's age to consider as well, and based on my observation in the chat room there are a mixed variety of age in Gendou land, and some are as young as 13, and they don't know all to much about serial killers in terms of their actions, and their reasoning behind it. For the ones that do understand partially they need some idea, some reference to help them grasp what the hell I'm talking about, and I chose Death Note to do that. Death Note has some minor answer to questions like the one asked in this thread. Now if you're going to say something about the paragraphs I dedicated to you I ask that you think more thoroughly. Because despite not responding sooner I did take the time to think about what you said, and also I bide my time to see if anybody else had something to say about my last post, and now I've taken the time to respond to you, and now you can take the time to respond to me for a second time, and until then take care, and I look forward to your next post in the forums. |
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by Mystic Deadman
on 2007-08-14 12:01:11
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@ Kei-Kun: I dunno if you were talking to me specifically in your last post, but I never said I supported the death penalty. In fact, I don't. I just happen to live in the one state in the US that putting a "speed lane." (If you don't get that, then watch the Blue Collar Comedy Tour DVD) Just thought I'd get that out there. @ Mr. Magical: Thanks for calling me out. You make it sound like I don't put any thought into my posts. Anyway, I agree on your points about the mindsets of society (see your first two paragraphs), but I still think that your using of an anime/manga as a reference is still a bit flawed. Suppose you are trying to put things into perspective. Maybe not everyone has seen or read any Death Note. They would be just as far out of the loop. To these people, it would likely be like explaining the Taliban's actions to a two-year old. They just wouldn't understand. Instead, maybe a reference to something that everybody, even the youngins' (13 year olds), can understand. Try something along the lines of the Virginia Tech Massacre, which occurred about 4 months ago. While this has no real relevance to the topic at hand, it is something that happened recently, and everyone was made aware of the details shortly after the incident occurred. Also, of course there are 13 year old people using gendou's forums and chat room. Gendou's registration asks if the user is at least 13 years of age, so there is absolutely no reason to assume that only adults use this forum. Heck, I'm only 18. Finally, I'm not really concerned about how quickly you respond. I'm only concerned with my statements getting posted, whether I'm calling someone out or not. If it gets posted, then I'm satisfied. Oh, and I said it was my personal opinion. |
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by wind-spear5
on 2007-08-14 22:11:26
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I didn't say that you didn't put any thought into your opinions. I was saying with subtlety that you didn't put complete thought into your opinions, and also you too are guilty of using a small piece of fiction, but that's besides the point I'm making. I noticed that in the first two post you made: one was stating that most people were taught to know better than to follow a serial killer into killing others, but there are people in other parts of the world that don't even reconize this ideal, and will for their own reasoning follow another into killing other people at a large number. I like to apologize to you for flippin out on you, and I did that because I felt you were calling me out, and I believe that the two of us have expressed our opinions to the fullest. The Death Note reference although some have no idea what the idea, and concept of it truly is, but they will if they take the time to read the post describing the idea, and concept in detail. Now using Batman as reference to a vigilante statement is a fault of yours as well, and if you still hold true to the opinion that bringing fictional stories and characters doesn't prove anything in a debate, then you didn't put enough thought into that statement. I've had enough of this thread I don't think that there are people that read this, and actually take our opinions seriously, but if they did I would be more than happy to come back in here, and give out more opinions. Now with that I'm heading out now. |
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| I feel that this subject has been Used in Death Note like Kira Killing criminal to make a better world, but in fact he's turning to be the greatest ever Serial Killer Somehow he's good for stopping the serial killers, but in another way he's bad for being a murderer even though, it must have been a lot of fun LOL |
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on 2007-08-22 21:10:41 |
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Two wrong doesn't make a right. But three left DOES make a right. ^__^  |
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by LoyalistRevolt
on 2007-09-02 22:35:58
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Do you read Death note?
Not posting doesn't make you a noob, ignorance, stupidity, laziness, and talking trash make you a noob.
Just cause I don't post in threads doesn't mean I don't read the threads...
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on 2007-09-11 04:42:04 |
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A serial killer is a threat to everyone out there. They must be removed or dent for counselling. Serial killers develop a taste for blood and they would not stop killing.. DANGER!! run!! XD  |
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on 2007-09-18 04:49:28 |
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@Delta: There's no need to over-dramatize things. |
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on 2007-09-19 11:39:28 (edited 2007-09-19 11:40:10)
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If thats the case then the killers in question becomes a necessary evil. So just sit back and watch them kill each other.
Ha ha ha ha I laugh at your soul. n_n
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