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Re: Life vs Suicide
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by desertranger
on 2006-01-12 21:28:49
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That's what you think Kotsuo. If Rin dies I'll follow her.  |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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by overlordsero
on 2006-01-13 00:13:50
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Ranger, I know how you say she is what keeps you going but.... killing yourself? How old are your kids? Dont they still need you? Isnt Lady Rin a part of them as well? Think of that and I pray that it does not come to that.... 
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I think killing your self when you lived a full life is fine. Like when you are old and senile. I would also kill my self if I suddenly went blind or deaf. I wouldn't mind being paralyzed though, anime is still watchable then.  Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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by overlordsero
on 2006-01-13 01:27:11
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I will die by someone elses doing. My death will not be of mine own doing. Either it be by natural causes or something happens, it will not be my choice to die. When I die is when I die. If I was blind or deaf, that would suck but that would just push me onward further. No matter what we all have a place in life or a belonging. I will not let some thing like being blind or deaf ruin my life, I will become stonger than that. There is no longer a reason to kill myself and there will be none in the future. I have grown from my experiences and knowing how many people care for me, how many people I still need to help, and how many things I havnt done will keep me going. Wether I be blind, deaf, crippled, or a vegetable nothing will stop me.
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Well once your blind, deaf, and crippled how much are you gonna expierence in life? Whether you live for 1 more year or a 100 what would make each day different. Though you are alive you aren't really living. By killing yourself what would you miss? Day by day of the same old nothing seen, nothing heard, and nothing done. You'd better enjoy thinking if you want to live like that. I myself would rather have ambitions and goals to keep me alive. Otherwise why live just for the sake of living. Besides death is always coming, why wait when you could come and greet him. Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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but you may touch lives and give inspirations to others by showing the will to live despite all those hindrances... ^_^"  |
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@Jomunga :there's always someone who wishes you to be alive 
'Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours to see,Que sera, sera' |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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by overlordsero
on 2006-01-13 17:02:12
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I do have goals and ambitions...and they wont change if I am blind deaf or crippled. I live because I want to, people want me to, and I NEED to to help others but I know that when my time comes I need to go. and what Lei8iel said, "but you may touch lives and give inspirations to others by showing the will to live despite all those hindrances... ^_^" That is true. I like to help people and if I am blind, deaf, and crippled that wont stop me. I take the thought of suicide seriously because I have wanted to before and have tried once. Didnt work out that well...hehe ^_^ Well I think that is all I have to say....I think...
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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Its more than that... very few people kill themselves after thinking things through even though many who do have had the chance. Example: My friend's daughter's fiance commited suicide. He had high grades and he was bound for law school. If I remember this correctly, if this guy broke the law, he couldn't get into any law school. A lot of pressure there. One day, he ran a yellow light and nailed another car. The other driver was injured, but he was fine for the most part. He thought then about his chances of getting into law school, and he might have had one, the school wouldn't have taken it seriously. I don't know how he did it, but he made it back home before anyone knew about anything. He got a 12 gauge and that was it. It was his fiance that found him and she was traumatized. It was ugly for both of them. The point is he broke under the pressure. He let emotions run his life long enough to decide it wasn't worth living. This line of thinking is very selfish, he thought about himself and not the person he loved. If you are in this kind of situation, don't just react, the first thing you say to yourself is THINK! Stop everything your doing and think. As sort of a project, I did some research and study to see if a logicly thinking person could find it reasonable to commit suicide... The answer to that is no. As much as my information is worth, I just thought it might help someone out there thinking about it. And on a more official note from someone who studied in basic psychology, if someone you know tells you in confidence they're thinking about suicide, get help now... don't try and solve the problem yourself, it requires the help of a professional. You can't help them yourself. Many suicides can be avoided when people speak up and take action. It's hard, but its worse than letting someone die.  |
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NOOOOOO! My entire reply deleted. And it wasn't just a short reply. This is so irritating, I will make myself feel better with my hobby of doing seppuku. *slices stomach and dies. Yes mainly people who commit suicidal are unlogical, however I am not suicidal. I can look at the subject without emotion and with logic and still support suicide. There may be people who wish for one to be alive, however there may be no people whom one wishes to live for. Thus killing themselves, some may say this is selfish. However to the suicidal one the selfish ones are the people who force him to live for their own sakes, so they don't have to feel bad. I myself find life to be fun and death to be interesting. If life lost it's fun I would go for the interesting route. To logical commit suicide one must first THINK. It is quite easy to be able to disern one own future even with the random factors that always come with living. If one takes their current situation and looks to see what will be of their future they may be able to see that there is something like a 95% chance their life will stay shit and a 5% chance things will get better. The choice is live or die. If death is choosen they will die and thats that. Really death isn't nothing to be afraid, of might as well take an early leave instead of having to put up with the crap of life. Or one could live. The problem is sure their life could get better, however their is the much more lickely chance that their entire life will be a shitty, pointless, waste of time and effort until their death. Probaly would have been smarter to kill yourself before hand then waste all that time. To me there is no difference between a person who lives to 20 or a person who lives to 100 if the 100 year old accomplished as much with his life as the 20 year old. As I see it the 100 year olds life was longer but the 20 year old lived as much as the 100 year old. I think it is okay for a person to decide for themself when they have lived long enough. If one lives to 30 years old and is uncontent with ones life and sees no change in the future. I think suicide would be fine, it is not like he would be doing much more with his life if he lived longer. I am not inspired by a man who lives each day just for the sake of living. Who says death doesn't touch lives and inspires? I would find it much more inspirational if such a man would find the strength to kill himself. And when one is that crippeled they don't help people, people help them. I know i'm forgetting something else I wanted to say, oh well, I say it later. Its nice to see this thread pick up, so I will keep the argument coming. I await your replies. Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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by overlordsero
on 2006-01-16 22:36:19
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Jomunga, "95% chance their life will stay shit and a 5% chance things will get better"-there is still a CHANCE "Thus killing themselves, some may say this is selfish. However to the suicidal one the selfish ones are the people who force him to live for their own sakes"- suicidal person-selfish and wanting someone to live-selfish,.....Double-edge sword "To logical commit suicide one must first THINK"-true, to a point...some people make rash decisions not taking things into account. "I am not inspired by a man who lives each day just for the sake of living"-okay...what do you mean by that?...we dont know what tommorrow will bring, we seriously dont know "I would find it much more inspirational if such a man would find the strength to kill himself"-that depends on the situation...if it was to protect someone then yes...if not then no.... "Really death isn't nothing to be afraid, of might as well take an early leave instead of having to put up with the crap of life"-true death shouldnt be feared, but I would still want to see what I can do in my life. "And when one is that crippeled they don't help people, people help them."-to a point yes, but some people better off then the cripple may re-evaluate there situation due to the cripple staying alive. "Its nice to see this thread pick up, so I will keep the argument coming. I await your replies."-sorry been busy and forgot ^_^
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"If one lives to 30 years old and is uncontent with ones life and sees no change in the future. I think suicide would be fine, it is not like he would be doing much more with his life if he lived longer." That's really young. That may seem like a long time from now but later on (like when you're 30) it won't seem like you're so old. Its not like life goes downhill after 30 anyways. I agree with the comment Sero made on the 5% over 95% thing. |
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I think people who commit suicide are cowards taking the quick way out. There are people out there with conditions such as being blind and crippled and they live life to the full. Maybe be a little more grateful. You might aswell live your life while you can... its not like your not going to die  Everyday above ground is a good day  |
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by Nanaya Enix
on 2006-01-17 14:50:12
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I know that those who commit suicide are those who are going through hell in college, according to my sources.  Laharl, the Overlord of all. I rule Netherworld Restaurant as well.
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Oh... Well um... Im in college and Im not exactly going through heaven but there will allways be someone ther for you. Going out and topping yourself wont really help much Everyday above ground is a good day |
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Re: Life vs Suicide
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on 2006-01-17 18:35:11 (edited 2006-01-17 18:36:19)
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What amazes me is how many of you think of suicide as the act of a coward without knowing what makes people commit suicide or what drives them to the brink of self destruction. I do have that experience and knowledge. I have come home all too often to find Ranger standing at the brink. Sucides are not cowards, they are people who have lost their way looking at a world so black that they see no other answer to the pain in their lives. I do not want to hear from anyone that sucide is an act of cowardice, it is an act of despair.  |
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No matter what I will never agree with suicide. There is so much for people to live for, yet they just throw their lives away despite the grief that it will cause others around them and ultimately themselves. Just because a person has had a troubled life or has experienced awful things doesn't mean that they should kill themselves. Afterall they still have a future and a chance at happiness. The person who has lost their way looking into the dark world should look past all of the despair and emptiness. I'm sure if they do they'll find the light which will guide them to happiness (metaphorically speaking).
You need a reason to be sad. You don't need a reason to be happy. The secret to happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible.
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I don't believe suicide is right. But I also don't think it is "just" a cry for attention either. Suicide isn't the answer because the person committing it doesn't get rid of the pain they are trying so hard to get rid of.. they are just passing i it onto the people around them. You shouldn't take a threat of suicide lightly. You never know how fagil some people can be. Some people can handle sickness their whole life, bullies, criticized by family and friends, devorce, abuse in many forms, and more and still never think of suicide... but also someone else just from a devorce and getting bad grades because they were thinking it was their fault and ignoring everything else can cause someone to go over the edge. It isn't because they are weak... It isn't because they don't WANT to live... It's purely for the fact their pain was greater than their ability to cope. So if you or someone you know is thinking about suicide don't just push the thought away. Get help or help them. Everyone is loved and no one should feel like they are alone. Never again will I take another persons pain as wanting "attention". Maybe if I would have payed a little more attention and showed a little more caring I wouldn't have lost a freind. 
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by overlordsero
on 2006-01-17 20:00:43
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Rose, you lost a friend to suicide? Im sorry to hear that... And you say that help people dont just shug it away.... I agree, I am here to help people, I feel that since I have been down that path and came back(so to say) that I have an obligation to help others get through their own darknesses and hopefully be a light they can hold onto... Lady RIn, I agree with you when people say that it is a cowards way out, when they have no experience of suicide. People commit suicide because they think that is all that iss left for them....death. Kotuso, thanks for agreeing with me ^_^ bout the "there is a CHANCE" now I have a question to all: Can you take someone elses life? Isnt suicide almost like that? I cant take someone elses life...I cant comprehend it... However I did try to take my own....but I was younger...so I didnt think of these questions till now...Now I dont think I can take my own life anymore... I think the main reason I want to live is to help others
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