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Re: Halo 3 and the REAL Next-Gen debate!
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 22:21:05
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| No renting? How would I know if a game really sucked beforehand?!? Magazines are smart, but they are NEVER 100% realiable. |
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on 2006-06-28 22:14:25 (edited 2006-06-28 22:17:01)
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That's if renting and trading games is even possible for the PS3, one of the stories circulating around about the PS3 was that they were going to introduce a licensing system. Basically, you never actually own the game you 'bought' at the store, only the liscense to use it. This would also mean that buying used games/selling yours would be completely impossible. Personally, I don't think that'll happen, since this takes anti-piracy to a nearly unbearable extreme. I agree with you about your first points, though. Microsoft will probably only sell in America. Don't see it doing well in any country, but the strongest would probably be America. And for the sake of all gaming, Nintendo _needs_ to get out of the kiddie game rut they are in. They need to make more RPGs ;P |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 21:58:58
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| Wii sounds fun and all, but little kids/FPS fans will want Halo 3 and young adults/PS generation will problaby want PS3, so who is left? Casual gamers. That is a big market I didn't consider, maybe all three will win in different demographics. And also, I think maybe a lot of people can buy a Wii too if they have the money for a PS3 or the difference from a 360. However if I buy PS3, which I will (that is the only system I'll defenitley buy), is'nt that equal to two 360s or like three Wii? LOL Good strategy Sony. $600 is a lot, but if they provide multiple entertainment purposes and the many good games it's promising the price will be worth it. One can always rent and buy traded in games to afford costs. |
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on 2006-06-28 21:27:01 |
Yeah I agree with you there but as the more better games comes out, the PS3 should've dropped it's pricing range...I hope!! 
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on 2006-06-28 21:13:28 (edited 2006-06-28 21:15:01)
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Dark horse? My 4$$, more like Trojan Horse. PS3, though, will be one hell of a competitor. In my opinion, it will be tied or very close between PS3 and Wii. Microsoft will get the Macroshaft Hardcore. On the other end, PS3 could die on simple numbers. $600 for the purpose of gaming is absolutely absurd. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 21:02:08
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| I always heard the Wii would be the dark horse. I suppose no one thinks it can stand a chance, anyone want to theorize how the Wii can win? I'd like to debate that! |
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on 2006-06-28 20:59:36 (edited 2006-06-28 21:00:24)
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....if anything, square-enix will be the one to end the console wrs....halo stands no chance against SE....go PS3 !!!  |
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| Are you kidding? Halo 3 having weight in the console wars? jezzus, no. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 20:47:26
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| Yeah, and Halo 3 when you put aside the debate and fanboyism, is going to be real fun if they can deliver what they promise. Ever wanted to be in the battle in Clone Wars... |
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on 2006-06-28 20:42:36 |
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Is that Aerith and I know that's obviously Cloud XD. 360 does have some nice graphics, I give them that.
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 20:35:35 (edited 2006-06-28 20:35:58)
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I rather this finish the fight between the consoles, but in the face of the odds... ...can dreams do come true? |
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on 2006-06-28 20:31:14 (edited 2006-06-28 20:32:18)
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Your welcome for the debate. I was hoping this would stop for a bit, it's really late and I am half asleep, so I'm not really fit to argue anymore. Yes, I really want them to remake FF VII. I would love to see it seeing as how FF VII is my all time favorite game.    |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 20:26:33 (edited 2006-07-15 20:36:53)
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Gamecube didn't have the loyal fanbase and reliable game that Halo is to an entire generation of new gamers...as I made clear price is not going to be the only factor. Halo and Halo 2 is MUCH bigger than anything that was on N64, or the Gamecube for that matter. (side note: many of the NES/SNES gamers loyalty was insulted with the 64. No FF? No Megaman? No 2D Mario? No 2D fighting EVEN though the system is technically weaker? That, IMO, is what killed it's fanbase off who now belong to the PSX) Agreed, all we can do is wait. I theorize that Halo has a huge chance of delivering the mortal blow to both systems, coupled with the environment of the competetion and reasons I already mentioned. However without Halo 3 360 does not stand a chance, even with the advantage of price and time. That is why I theorize Halo 3 is that "mortal blow". It doesn't really "finish the fight" persay cuz console wars are long, but it would be key in 360's victory (if it does win); but fact is it undeniably can have a devastating impact on the competetion's market, that is very hard to dispute considering the HUGE fan base and possiblities, and that blows like that are so important to any war. And you all can doubt my theory all you want, and I thank all of you for disputing it and testing my debate skills, it was enlightening, after it's just a theory not a fact or oppinion, but my OPPINION is undeniable and indisputable- PS3 is going to be rock with Tekken 6, DMC4, Virtua Fighter 5, NEW METAL GEAR, Castlevania PS3, and of course FF12, and...   |
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I gave that image out to a new member one time, lol. Halo 3, I saw the brief preview on G4: E3 but it didn't show any new weapons, story, etc...but it looked cool. The REAL preview will come out later or something. I kinda agree with Itachi about the DOOM thing too. Halo was kinda simple easy and DOOM was really fun!
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on 2006-06-28 20:05:37 |
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Really? If price is everything you say it is then why is the Gamecube the lowest selling console out of the three? and if it's all true then the Nintendo Wii should own XBox and PS3. Listen, all we can do is wait and see what happens when all of the console's are out. I however HIGHLY doubt that Halo 3 will end the console war. Despite the fanbase it does not have the power to overthrow two consoles. I actually think it's pathetic that XBox is relying on one game to hold it's own. Sort of like how Nintendo is becoming more dependant on Mario. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 19:53:50
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"Most it can do is win over the FPS crowd?" (sighs) Halo has more than a FPS crowd, it has the a huge portion of the next generation of gamers. Young kids. Kids whose parents buy these systems and are a huge an extremeely significant consumer base. Let me tell you about Cloud, Mario, and Master Chief. They have one thing in common- they were all a generation's game mascot. But the mascot is not what is important to note here, it's the game. No one knew who Cloud was or had even played FF, but when 7 came out, it sold millions (and continues to)and arguably sold a lot of PSXs. Many FF fas started on 7. There is now a new generation of young players whose first big game is Halo and especially Halo 2; many went on to SNES and 64 out of loyalty, their first game was Mario, and the NES games helped of course, and PSX drew it's fanbase, many drawn by FF7, and they went to PS2 out of loyalty and the reliable games... Now, the kids in elementary/middle school, many of the actual players love Halo and Master Chief, and their freinds familiarize Master Chief with games now. Couple in the parents who buy the great majority of systems, who when choiced between an expensive PS3 and cheaper 360, obviously in this bad econamy, will go for a 360! And the many of the new generation want to play Halo 3 anyhow, especially after it's ads dazzle them on TV. These kids make up the next generation of gamers. There are many older people who play games now who make up the old fanbases, but it the real world there may not be room for a PS3 in the budget or any system even. However, parents have a lot of money and are always buying systems for the kids.. In my theory, it's not Halo by itself is winning the war on it's own, it is attracting many people, and then when they get hypnotized by the many new good games that are on the 360, like Oblivion (and if Microsoft is smart and produces other games we can't think of yet) the 360 sells more games and that is what wins it the console war. Again this is just a theory, so debate the facts like the consumer base... its attracting not only- 1.Old Halo Fanbase (huge) 2.People who bought a 360 and won't shell out for a new system 3.FPS fans 4.Young kids who love Halo and are the nex generation as Mario fans and FF7 fans, etc, were before them. (already a significant consumer base) But also attracting- 4.Many people dejected by the HUNDREDS of extra dollars for a PS3 5.Many American/Canadian/Mexican TV veiwers (especially kids) taken in by the crazy ads that will play for Halo 3 during Naruto, MTV, even Sci-Fi channel, everywhere...maybe even the Super Bowl! 6.People looking for a cheap Next-gen fix 7.Parents who are urged to buy a new system or PS3 but won't shell out that 2-300 extra dollars. 8.Players of PS2 looking for new games and RPGs but turned off by the huge price (much more of the consumer base) There is a lot left, like PS2 loyalists, FF loyalists, DMC fans, fighting fans, etc...but can this group of people compete with the rest in the US especially at the price disadvantage. If someone can afford both systems, but buys 360, the difference in price allows them to buy at least 4 more games, and the console war is won by games, not system sales. And with PS3's insane price, those who buy will be broke to buy as many games as a 360 owner, and if they buy both it evens out anyhow. |
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| I know I won't buy a 360 so I can play Halo. I never liked Halo (i've played online and with one of my friends, and by myself) I didn't think it was that great as everybody says it was. The 360 isn't having a price drop buy holidays. I cannot wait to get Wii!! |
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on 2006-06-28 12:58:54 (edited 2006-06-28 13:06:58)
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I'm not ignoring anything, this is from a realistic approach. Halo is popular, but it is NO-WHERE near popular enough to beat a console. As stated by keternal, the MOST it can do is win over the FPS crowd. However none of those games have lead to the defeat of a console. They have only lead to another greater game being made. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-06-28 12:51:55 (edited 2006-08-31 13:35:16)
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You're ignoring the eqaution of: possible cheaper prices by the hundreds+ extremely anticipated fun game+ other fun games motivate sales + what will people do when it comes to their hard earned dollars + shallow/thrifty US gamers= 360 may win in the US. And a game has never had a decisive blow in the console war? That's debatable, but one can not argue they have not had a HUGE impact leading to the winning or barely losing, or huge comebacks...  Mario Bros.? Final Fantasy 7? Super Mario World? Sonic The Hedgehog? HALO? Countless games that define and motivate purchases of the systems? |
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on 2006-06-28 12:33:46 (edited 2006-06-28 12:35:22)
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I highly doubt that. A predictable foe is one easily beaten. Halo 3 is just another game, yes it's the best game XBox has, but it won't be making any decisive blows in the console war. Your saying people will not buy a PS3 just because XBox has 1 game coming out. Not likely to happen. Even when the first Halo came out and the second was just released, PS2 was still selling at a great pace. No console has been beaten due to the release of one game. |