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on 2010-05-22 14:03:40 |
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Soifon's bankai was only utilized as a tank, as a stealth-ninja warrior, that's nothing you want to use ever. Her shikai and Shunko are mostly all she ever needs. She's not meant to be an offensive shinigami anyways, regardless of being a Captain. Judging from that armor she had in the latest chapter (Yoruichi), she might have a tank bankai as well. 
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on 2010-05-22 15:12:15 |
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Something like a tank Bankai when you're stealth though, it's pretty awkward. Most all Zanpakuto match their masters in some way, from personality to style or something along those lines. The tank-style isn't something that really fits well with me, for them anyway. As for the last chapter, I really liked Gin dissecting what Ichigo said, and saying it meant he thought he was gonna lose and die, and that he was a coward. That was an interesting thing to see, and what was more interesting was the way Ichigo reacted after. As for Yoruichi, Isshin, and Urahara, that's gonna be intense going up against Aizen. He was able to completely get past Yoruichi's sight, which is insane. Another thing is, I can't wait for these guys to start releasing their swords. I want to see what Isshin and Urahara have, for sure. Yoruichi too. ALSO, it was nice to see Matsumoto and Kira making their return as far as Gin goes, and I hope we get to see more about Matsumoto and Gin next chapter. Should be great! O_O; |
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Re: Bleach Manga (spoilers)
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on 2010-05-22 15:39:23 |
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Well yeah it's kind of like Ichigo's bankai. He gives up strength somewhat, for speed, yet with his Hollow mask, he gets strength, so it's a two for one deal. Ninja's are stealthy, quick, and agile, and like to hide and strike in the shadows. They're not strong, but once Soifon goes bankai she releases all aspects of that and goes all out. Her fight against Barragan was an example of that, when her speed and Shunko abilities were totally nullified. She may be a captain, although I really love her a lot, she's definitely one of the weaker captains, but she acts more like the captain of that stealth squad Yoruichi started a century ago anyways, so it's okay. Yeah, I'd love to see Benihime's bankai mode, just the thought of it makes me twitch. lol, Kira like just woke up and Matsumoto's still dazed. She needs to go to Hitsugaya, lol.
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Re: Bleach Manga (spoilers)
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on 2010-05-22 17:23:07 |
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Kira: " CAPTAIN ICHIMARU .. I SENSE YOU ARE NEAR, Hold meh ;_; " rofl, but yeah, I get where that aspect is coming from about the bankai. Gaining strength after being speed based. I just still can't come to like it much. As for her overall strength, I think Soifon can back up her position through the Shunko, and the fact her Bankai DID help defeat Barragan; and could have beaten any NORMAL enemy I believe, in that one hit. I can also see how she's weaker though, then most Captains. I also look at it like she's one of the newer captains in terms of who's been there longest. With more years of training, her overall strength may indeed match stronger Captains like Ukitake. |
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on 2010-05-22 19:03:09 |
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That's how the abilities in Bleach seem to work it seems, Ulquiorra recently said something about his ability, how he traded brute strength for resurrection, regardless though he has a second ability to change forms, so yeah. Soifon had help to defeat Barragan, a special Kidou saved her from Death himself. It's possible for her to become stronger in the future, but doubt against Ukitake, unless he fully becomes bedridden because he's often sick, but he's still pretty strong. Him and Kyouraku are personal students of Yamamoto, and Kyouraku's bankai is so friggin' awesome!
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on 2010-05-22 19:13:58 |
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Rofl, Ulq had an epic second form that made his lack of strength a moot point. If Ichigo hadn't gone all Hollow, he would have lost that fight, there's no doubt. I mean, he did " die " there after all. It's made me want to wonder what Ulq's real power level is, in that second form, compared to the other Espada. It would help put in focus the true power of Ichigo's hollow form and just how strong Ulq really was. Of course Ukitake and Shunsui are the most powerful Captains, at least that's how they are portrayed in regards to the other Captains. As far as abilities though and how they work, Ichigo shows us there are obvious exceptions to every rule. I would like to know what Isshin and Aizen know about Ichigo though, as I can easily assume it's more then just " You're the son of a Shinigami, ICHIGOOOOOOOO! - FLYING KICK OF DOOM - ". That should easily explain why Ichigo can do what he does. |
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on 2010-05-23 00:59:11 |
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oh my oh my!!!!!! rangiku's on the move!! and maybe kira will join the fight too. aizen's face is really scary.  |
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on 2010-05-23 11:14:17 |
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I'm not sure how much Matsumoto or Kira could do combat wise. Compared to those left fighting, they don't really come close at all. The best bet is they'll be there for a "moment" that includes a flashback, emotional conversations and whatnot, and then finally an ending to the Gin fight. At least, that's how I see it happening. At least something like that. They may try to fight, but I can't imagine them helping at their level. |
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on 2010-05-23 13:49:53 |
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[@Shuy] He should've lost that fight before Ulquiorra even used his Ressurection, but because it's a Shonen Jump title, the main character will never die, so they'll just do a Goku on him. Ulquiorra in his second form, probably wouldn't match against the brute strength levels of the top 3 Espada, excluding Yammy. Yammy's just a pile of brute strength alone. Ulquiorra's the warrior type but yeah he beats Grimmjow by a long shot. Kyouraku and Ukitake aren't portrayed as the strongest, they're portrayed as the veterans of the Gotei 13, an they are. From what Aizen said before, he apparently knows everything about Ichigo, even before he first gained his Shinigami powers. His mom was a normal human and his dad was a Shinigami (obviously), but it's possible Ishin had experience with Hollows himself, making him a Vizard, but that might be too far fetched right now. It's also possible Ichigo's Zanpakuto is just a unique one, but yeah still a lot to find out still.... Matsumoto and Kira aren't going to do anything, especially Kira. He definitely or should definitely have no strength left, you know how much he went through to this point? No way. Matsumoto's probably going to try something reckless like taking on Gin's bankai by herself, then her captain comes to save her or something like that happens. There's still plenty of room for tragic deaths here. I like Tite though for finally making Ichigo completely useless in the fight. Just exactly what I said when Aizen showed up before and what I say now, he has no chance of defeating Aizen. This battle is up to the adults now, he should just go back to school. And if he thinks Aizen is scared of his full hollow form, Aizen probably knows about that, too.
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on 2010-05-23 16:59:16 |
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Hell, Aizen probably PLANNED for Ichigo to go all-Hollow. After all, he's Ansem. Ohohoho, rofl. As for Ulq though, I still like to think his power level in his second form could match or even surpass other top-3 Espada. His ability and power just seemed far too amazing to not be able to match them. Also, with Shunsui and Ukitake, they were said to be the strongest before. Back in the Soul Society Arc and even post-then, while being shown as Veterans they [ along with Unohana ] are said to be the oldest and strongest of the Captains. Or in the least, Shunsui and Ukitake are spoke of as being stronger then the others. That's what I remember, anyway. I wouldn't bet my life savings on that statement, but I swear that was said a couple times throughout the Bleach story. I'm sure that, even if Matsumoto is seriously injured or even "killed", she won't stay dead. I can't see Kubo killing any main/sub-main characters off at all. UNless they are an enemy. Bleach kinda brings new meaning to being a Shounen Title, haha, but I still love it. |
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on 2010-05-23 18:49:20 |
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Well Ulquiorra is still top five (being #5), and that's still pretty good because he'd annihilate almost any Lt. He could probably make a good fight with Hallibel, but Stark or Barragan are a bit much for him. Stark definitely would beat him because of the power in his Cero(s), but an interesting fight. Barragan lost with Kidou help, and Ulquiorra doesn't know any Kidou, but who knows. Makes sense Kyouraku and Ukitake would be the strongest. They never use their bankai or even fight often, which is why. Unohana I'd never mess with even if she didn't have her Zanpakuto. XD Yeah, nobody else is dying, which is why Naruto is better and more realistic. There's never sadness in Bleach, it's just an action anime for teens.
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Re: Bleach Manga (spoilers)
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on 2010-05-23 19:23:11 |
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I still have to think, just based on the power in the fight, that Ulq could match the top espada. That second form's power was just insane, and owned Ichigo like he was nothing, and Ichigo is someone that could be on a same level as like Toshiro and probably Soifon. It just seems that calling his second form weaker then the top 3 doesn't add up, if you compare their power to the Captains/Vizard and then them to Ichigo and then him to Ulq. And messing with Unohana would lead to an early grave ._.; .. That's one good thing about Naruto; People do die and whatnot. It's emotional, and it adds depth to the series. But, both are insanely popular, so it's taste on which is better. |
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Re: Bleach Manga (spoilers)
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on 2010-05-24 10:12:15 |
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Ichigo and his full-formed Hollow form are two different beings. It's like Naruto and the Kyuubi. Ichigo only wins fights because of the Hollow abilities, and it's not even "abilities", it's just a power boost. Because his bankai is so plain, he still only knows one attack that he whores out constantly, it's just getting boring. If he trained full time under Urahara, he'd be intensely stronger and even know Cero by now, but no. He could've learned bankai earlier, instead of that BS three day training session then goes on to fight Byakuya and win? I don't think so. He's definitely stronger than Soifon or Hitsugaya, respectively. He's a bit reckless though compared to them. I'm still skeptical about him and Kenpachi, I still don't believe he's stronger than Byakuya, but that's just been my opinion since their fight. He could probably take on Komamura, his bankai isn't anything special, possibly Kurotsuchi, but yeah he's limited. Well after Grimmjow, there's a huge power difference varying each rank as they go up. The Vizards own the Captains, that's arguably debatable, most of the Captains had to use moves we've never seen before to kill the top Espada, and they also needed help or a someone who knew a weakpoint. Only Kyouraku defeated his Espada opponent, one on one. Soifon needed help and Hitsugaya had some help, too, even though Hallibel was KO'd by Aizen anyways.... We all have our opinions here, I'm not going to make some pointless argument over it. Of course both series are popular, they're Shonen Jump titles. Most of their fans are barely in high school. Probably the most mainstream of mainstream anime right now, as both are highly overrated.
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on 2010-05-24 11:51:35 |
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Probably bringing new definition to mainstream of mainstream, lmao. And there's nothing wrong with a friendly debate ~ I can agree I thought it was BS how Ichigo came out and beat Byakuya after just getting his Bankai by using a Gameshark, but again his victory was somewhat aided by his Hollow side. The differences in power are highly debatable in Bleach, lmao. They need some Power Levels. The reason I think it's hard, moreso then anything else, to get a solid by-the-book answer on who's stronger then who, is because of Ichigo's sudden groth rate and his ability to have that " instinct " take over that helps him win many fights. I'm actually hoping that Kenpachi and Byakuya will find their way back into the manga soon, because it's been awhile since they've been here. Whether it's fighting Yammy or coming to Karakura, I wanna see their stuff. |
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on 2010-05-29 01:45:21 |
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well now, talk about "like father like son"!! a getsuga from isshin. nice one. and yeah, i want to see byakuya and kenpachi. its been so long now.. ichigo is pretty damn messed up, he's so weak. can never win without his hollow. aizen is really scary, in terms of his new look, i like the old one though. when he still wears glasses. |
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on 2010-05-29 14:03:06 |
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.. Mah Gawd, Mah Gawd. This last chapter of bleach was so absolutely amazing. Bleach has really stepped it's game up, from the fights to the story to everything. Another good thing lies on the fact that focus has shifted away from the hero in this epic battle, and that's almost never seen in big-time Shounen fights. As for the others, Urahara and Yoruichi are owning and it was great to see her getting in and actually breaking through Aizen's defense. Urahara's combos were insane with Benihime, and the ending .. The ending .. THAT ENDING .... My reaction to the ending of Isshin using THAT move? Here I am reading the second to last page, and see him appear and yell " GETSUGA!!! " and I literally go " Oh he is not about to us— " " TENSHOU!!! " " OMGHOLYSH!T HE USED IT, WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. " It was so epic, and I think this will really get to open up all the mysteries of Ichigo. |
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on 2010-05-29 21:53:13 |
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my heart was like jumping out of my chest when i've read isshin said "getsuga" and really it was so cool!!!! |
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on 2010-05-30 11:22:57 |
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It really was, LOL. I'm still almost in shock after reading that, as it was just so amazing. I mean sure, we knew Isshin and Ichigo were kinda linked because of them both being Shinigami and thus Isshin having been a Shinigami himself before he had a family, but, that connection was just not seen coming by myself — Getsuga Tenshou. It's still intense to look back at those pages, really the whole chapter was really great. I'm tellin' ya though, KT is doing an amazing job as far as story goes. I was a little worried there for awhile about how Bleach was going, but the past 15+ Chapters have really shown that Bleach is getting epic again. |
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on 2010-05-31 01:28:49 |
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Haha, it's over 9000! The chapter was good, but every time they do some mega new attack, they make Aizen seem surprised. It's hard to say what Benihime did, that's the thing with manga sometimes, there's too much detail in moves that it's hard to tell what's even going. I liked Ichigo's dad using Ichigo's signature *ahem*only move, but that was so typical. I think anyone, or at least me, knew it was coming... it's so typical in anime like this. I wouldn't go as far as say KT is amazing for the storyline, there's been no development with the story. He hasn't explained why Aizen wants the King's Key (you guys still remember he's going to create it), they don't explain why he betrayed Gotei 13, they haven't explained anything about Ichigo's dad, it's been straight forward action right now and I see a huge flashback coming soon though, possibly another filler arc, but something like the Pendulum arc (which was kind of relevant to the story). Yoruichi used her Shunko, didn't go shikai/bankai yet it seems. I still think she's hiding a tank behind her bankai. But yeah, I'm liking the action so far, but yeah there's no development in the story right now, though it doesn't matter cause fans are so easily blind sided by the action. About Byakuya/Kenpachi, yeah they won't be back until something significant happens, where they can go back to Hueco Mundo cause they don't do it randomly. I don't expect to see it yet. And unlike Ichigo, Naruto is learning to control the Kyubi now where Ichigo barely has control over his full Hollow.
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on 2010-06-02 12:01:16 |
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For Benihime's attack, it looked like the various moves involved first held Aizen in place, then a final attack caused a chain reaction to form that massive explosion. It was a crazy attack to follow though, lmao. I never saw his dad using his move coming, though. I thought that was really cool, and I think a big reason I didn't see it coming was unlike Naruto or DBZ, Shinigami in Bleach learn moves based around themselves or their weapon. So, I didn't think we'd see anything like that here. I thought it was a plot point as well, rather then just action. For that action, though, I think it is involving story and whatnot. Even through action you can have the story move along; like Matsumoto heading into the battlefield. I also think that Isshin using GT was a big plot point, as it sets up the explanation of what Ichigo really is, which I think is more then just a Shinigami's Son. As for Yoruichi, she's just tearing it up even if she is outmatched. Makes me more and more curious as to what her Shikai/Bankai is, or if she will even use it. After all, there could be a chance she's stronger without it. |