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There's plenty of proof Xbox lost Microsoft billions due to the system, google.com, IGN.com, en.wikipedia.org, gamespot.com. Just search once in awhile. I don't post unless I have a refined knowledge of what I'm talking about. Alright, so maybe more people can afford a PS3. Remember what happend with the Xbox360 though? How systems malfunctioned and everything, the same will happen with the PS3. This is where it's gonna hurt Sony. Sony has not even started production yet, and a low estimate of only a few million or under are being shipped out at launch date. The Wii has 5.5 million units planned to be shipped on launch date. As for Halo and its players, I already categorized, read back please - kids, teens, etc. You probably mean half of Halo's players are TEENS. Most KIDS will play their Spongebob Squarepants games and other cartoony games. And a "true gamer" doesn't have to be someone who goes all out to get the game and system they want. A "true gamer" is someone who is not a graphics whore, someone who pays close attention to the story and gameplay. As I already said, who wouldn't want a PS3? I'm going to get one because of the RPGs that will be released in the future, maybe some fighting games. You're meerly assuming people have the time like you to get two jobs. They may be under conditions are taking care of family, their other job already consumes enough time as it is, and other unsightly conditions. Just because YOU can do these things DOESN'T mean others can. On another note, IMO, Lament of Innocence wasn't up to par. Stick to 2D, that's where the heart of Castlevania lies, (i.e, Symphony of the Night, and the soon to be released, Portrait of Ruin for the DS). |
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@Shishio: Agreed...classic games are awesome and I would want them to continue onto new systems. Games like final fantasy continue to bring on amazing new RPG elements that just force me and the rest of the gaming community to buy them resulting in millions of copies sold. @Jonathan: I think the only gripe people have with blu-ray is the price. I can easily afford the price, however, there are many more people that are just not willing to accept a new format at such a high price. Personally, I love how they are trying out blu-ray. It looks really good so far and I doubt it will "fail". Just like CDs (also created by Sony) helped Sony during the 90s up to present day, I think trying out a newer format like blu-ray is going to help them in the long run. Although a lot of bad news has been going around about ps3 and its ultimate "doom" this generation, I think we have to wait for TGS (Tokyo Game Show)...Sony's last shot to gather as much support before their official launch in November. Just as a note, when the current generation (ps2, xbox, gamecube) was at its beginnings, many said the ps2 was "too expensive" and many polls around the web showed that most consumers preferred a gamecube or xbox over the ps2, yet we found out that ps2 became the winner in the end. So who knows? Anything could happen. =) @Feo Muchacho: I agree with Sony and their poor marketing strategies. Especially when the reps stated that "this and this" would happen, but some parts of the ps3 ended up being downgraded due to various reasons. But I really like the Wii's theme this generation by grabbing in casual gamers (those who really don't know much about what is happening these days in the gaming community). |
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by Feo Muchacho
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Blue-ray technology is superior to HD DVD, this I can say with no remorse. However it is much more expensive than HD DVD and thats the problem. In the case of bet-max vs. vhs, vhs won out because it was cheaper and still had decent quality. I fear that this will happen with blue ray, people dont want to pay a thousand dollars for a DVD player with slightly better picture quality. Its as simple as that. As for the ps3 I am very excited about the console and will probably end up buying one just because it looks so good, but sony marketing just isnt well thought out not to say that microsofts was any better. Its not just about who sells the most games or consoles, its more about which one the we the gamers like the most. P.S Shishios right i'm a big halo fanboy, I also like zelda and metroid.  Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-08-31 13:34:54 (edited 2006-08-31 13:36:00)
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Also notice, that there nver reall yhas benn a time when such things were even up to debate, it was no question N64 would lose to PSX (the licensing, technology, etc). Also, XBox's weak start and the Gamecube's design and continued lack of licensing showed they would not beat PS2. Now though, we have monster anticipated games, new technology, and many innovations, and the biggest flucuation in price I've ever seen. I've seen expensive consoles in the past, but not with popular/anticipated systems (were any of you drooling oer the release of the $600 Neo-Geo back in like 95'? yes? that makes a few of you), and it's been nothing as controversial as this! People dis Blu-ray, but I say... bring it to us, Sony! I don't care if its BetaMax 2, I just want those classic games in the modern era, on a hyped DVD. BTW Someone mentioned at some point in one if these threads that these clasic games are "just a reprint" with better graphics when they are put on a new system. AHEM  Um, you know Castlevania, right? It was cool on NES, remember? But it was a whole new experience with the nostalgia on SNES (don't even act like you didn't like it). Then they brought us Symphony of the Night on PSX, one of the best PSX games ever! ANOTHER NEW EXPERIENCE TO THIS DAY GAMERS ENJOY! And finally, they bring it to action/adventure 3-D in one of my fave PS2 games of all time, Lament of Innocence! Proof that bringing old classics to new systems is good, and licensing is a HUGE issue; after all it works with, oh I don't know, MARIO? METROID? FINAL FANTASY? OH, AND ZELDA! |
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on 2006-08-31 12:53:40 (edited 2006-08-31 12:55:58)
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@Sekami- "Do we really need blu-ray at this time?" I don't see why not. It's said that it can hold much more data than DVD, so it could turn out well. I do agree that Blu-Ray is a risky move, seeing as how their other format UMD pretty much failed, but yes if it does take off then Sony will most certainly come out on top. It's all a matter of time, when the consoles are released we'll see the new turn out. Here's how I think it will go. (Notice I said how "I" think it will go. Don't start giving me all these reasons why I may be wrong, this is my opinion.) PS3- Best console[If Blu-Ray is a hit.] Second Best Console[If Blu-Ray becomes sort of popular.] Worst Console[If Blu-Ray crashes and burns.] Wii- Best Console[If Blu-Ray fails and the controller doesn't become a gimmick] Second Best Console[If the controller isn't as popular and Blu-Ray is a hit] Worst Console[If the controller becomes a gimmick.] XBox 360- Best Console[If Blu-Ray fails and the Wii's controller is a gimmick] Second Best Console[If one console fails and one is a hit.] Worst Console[Basically if Wii and PS3 work.]    |
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Hmm...well I think one thing most people don't understand is that all 3 companies (Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo) will not "die". Even the "worst" console out of the 3 is still considered 3rd place. The only way any company would fall would be due to a complete and utter failure, which I see is not possible at this time. Microsoft is definitely proving to be a worthy adversary for Sony and I highly doubt the market share will be in Sony's favor. I hate to admit it, but RPGs really have been in decline for the past years, however, that's not to say it isn't still popular. FPS are still more of American style game and places like Asia and Europe don't consider it a mainstream genre. As for Halo, it is an amazing game, that's for sure. I doubt it will take the shoulders of Microsoft and take it to complete domination, but it definitely will assist them. I think games like Gears of War and games not exclusive to ps3 will be Microsoft's best bet at winning this coming generation As far as I see it...I still think Sony will end up the best out of the 3 because of their wide variety now (the ps2 was known mostly for its library of RPGs, but lacked FPSs and other particular genres). But, I think this generation will be much closer and all 3 companies really need to bring out the best out of their consoles. In my opinion, I see it as this: Xbox 360-Amazing online and organization that will assist their FPSs. RPGs are also coming along well. Oblivion is doing great. And of course Halo 3. Could easily get the #1 spot this generation. PS3-I consider the console a "buffer zone". Sony did extremely well with the Playstation and PS2. They probably see this opportunity this generation to try something new...so they introduced Blu-Ray which is both good and bad. If it succeeds, then the future for Sony looks bright and their technology will be superior to the other companies. However, if it doesn't do as well or fails, then they will probably lose this generation. Also, I think the question comes down to...do we REALLY need blu-ray at this time? Wii-Most good news have been coming from the Wii...unlike the PS3. I think Wii has the best chances of becoming the #1 contender with their innovative Wii-mote and revolutionary ideas. However, if it turns out to be a gimmick and nothing but novelty, it could really hurt Nintendo. In the end, I think every company has a chance to shine. ^^ |
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on 2006-08-31 09:58:50 (edited 2006-08-31 09:59:17)
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@noobie- Yeah there making a Gundam game for the 360 and I think there making a different one for the PS3, or it might be the same one I'm not sure. Anyway, I'm not getting back into the discussions, the first page or two is nothing but me and Shishio duking it out. lol |
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| Glad to hear that. Right now I'm aiming to get an Xbox 360. I'v heard that there's a Gundam game in production for the lil' white XBox... |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-08-31 01:19:49
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| Feo Muchacho is a big Halo fan too, and I like/enjoy the game on a small level, so you're welcome. |
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He's right. Half the players were kids... that's why on Bungie.net, every weekly updates you see have letters form cheaters, modders and standbyers with bad English pleading that ' their kids messed up their console. ' Pathatic. And besides, the graphics are excellent. Nobody buys a game console for a single game, but the one reason people are willing to spend is due to the fact that the game is GOOD. Some games scored a crappy rating, but are still popular. Others ranked high, but were not that sucessful. The Halo series, besides coming from Bungie that has many other titles under its belt, was one of the few games that ranked high and was immensly popular as well. Marathon, Myth, Oni [I believe that was released on the PS ], these are all champions that have sold millions of copies. And Bungie is a pretty small company. Why do I know all these? I'm a Halo fan. Opps, shouldn't have said this in an anime website. Hope I don't get flamed... |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-08-31 00:24:22 (edited 2006-08-31 00:24:47)
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I think more people can afford it than they think. If they have time to play games in the first place, they most likely have time to get a second job and earn some cash toward a PS3. Attitude is everything... So, are you saying you would choose a PS3 if you had the chance? If so, then the answer is all too clear for you and many gamers, don't settle for a weak system just because of price. Play the games you want, have the system you want, save money, work two jobs, and earn the PS3! It will be worth it in the end! You can play Wii at your freinds house, I say! In the end, isn't the gamer who seeks the system/games they want no matter WHAT the time/effort the "true gamer"? Of course, everyone will have a PS3 in three years anyhow, and problaby a Wii and 360 too, (they'll be like $100 then!) so it problaby doesn't matter... And little kids play non-violent games? On Halo 2, it was an unwritten rule to do everything you could to exclude the MILLIONS of kids on that game from your sessions! Half the players were kids, and Halo IS violent, it's even Teen-rated I believe (maybe higher? someone check)! And these little kids will make Halo 3 the most popular game of the year when it plays during every kid's TV show, already alongside every rap channel, every sporting event, every Sci-fi show, Microsoft has an monster on its hands if they play their cards right... Parents don't look at variables anymore, for example go to an R-Rated film...it my just be spoiled rich kids though, but still, that is part of the target market. BTW do you have proof Microsoft lost money on Xbox, because I read once you almost always lose money on a system, it's the licensing of games that they make money off of? And they sold a lot of Halos and other games. |
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Ok cool, you have a job, not everyone does you know, not everyone has an awesome job where you get payed a lot. It's cool you can afford it, but not everyone can. During Christmas a kid's mom asks him what he wants, he says PS3, the woman then looks at the variables - is it appropriate? Does it cost a lot? These type of gamers (younglings I like to call them) make up a somewhat large percentage of the gaming industry I'd say 15-25%. They buy (or their parents do) the cheapest most unviolent game available. Wii=9%, PS3=3, Xbox360=3% Now, there are teens (aka casual gamers), they make up around 35 of the gaming industry. Wii=7.5%, PS3=12.5%, Xbox360=15% Hardcore gamers, they make up around the same % as casual gamers, 35 Wii=12%, PS3=12%, Xbox360=5% Old gamers (can be worked in with casual gamers), combine teens/old gamers if you wish. They make up around 10% Wii=4%, PS3=2%, Xbox360=4% Total:Wii=32.5%,PS3=32, Xbox360=30% This is how I see the world of gaming. The reason why I say the Xbox360 will fail is not due to sales, but due to the amount of money they lose overall. The Xbox sold more than the GameCube, and lost billions supposedly, while Nintendo being outsold actually GAINED a profit. Obviously if all systems were the same price you would choose the PS3 right? But that won't happen. I can add on stupid variables as well you know. Hey if Wii had the same graphical performance as the PS3 which would you choose? I'd assume they would rather want a Wii. The game line is different but, that doesn't matter, most companies would jump boat anyways if they had the chance to work with an influential controller, top notch graphics, at an uncostly price. |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-08-30 22:57:22
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Why do people always assume someone will buy NOT buy a PS3 and a Wii instead just because of the price? I'd hate to tell you, but us people in our early twenties have finished school/worked for years and gotten VERY good jobs. A $700 system will not break me, as it will not break a lot of other gamers who will spend a huge amount of time on a PS3! I mean, Tekken 6? DMC4? Castlevania online? (HOLD ME!) This s*** is gonna be too fun! Oh, and I want to be there when FF13 comes out! And I don't have a 360, but I will buy one in the future once the price drops and DOA4, DOA Volleyball 2 and of course the new Halo are available! Of all the games I have on many systems, 1/3 of my fave most played games are these because of the online play/relaxation factor! In the last two years, I racked up over 900 hours ofonline play on two of those games, and it is well worth it and a lot of fun! If you spend an hour a day playing games online, that is almost 400 hours in one year! So count me in as someone who will contribute to the Halo 3 statistics, I honestly am very looking forward to it, and I think amy of the old Halo fans and new will come when the 360 is affordable! I don't believe the 360 has really been released yet until Halo hits the stores, that's what MANY 360 gamers are waiting for! Also, I'm curious, given the choice between PS3, 360, and Wii and they were all the same price, including games, what would you choose? They way people bitch about the price, I assume they'd rather have a PS3! |
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I'm not bashing you because you play your Xbox 360, I'm just saying that its doomed to failure, Microsoft lost billions on the original, and its going to lose more now due to malfunctioned 360s and its poor sales in Japan. I might actually pick a 360 up because of a Tri-Ace game coming out for it. I'm a big RPG fan, and Tri-Ace has made excellent games so I'm willing to dish out some doe just to get their game being developed on the 360, along with some other games coming out in the future. I may be a little confident about Wii, but its the only one I see with real potential. Xbox 360 is nothing special, just an updated Xbox. PS3 is an expensive behemoth, with added on features from other systems and graphics. Wii is a VERY cheap console that I see doing well due to its hype and how developers are cancelling their projects on the PS3. Hell I'd buy a Wii JUST to play Smash Brawl, that's how good that game is. Although...I am going to pick up a PS3, just later, when its around 400-500$, there'll be a ton of RPGs to play like FF13 and probably DQ9. |
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by Feo Muchacho
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So you're saying the x box 360 will fail. I dont bleieve this at all and if you viewed my previous thread, not the one with the chief you would see that I share your point of view. It very possible that Halo 3 wont win the console war for the 360. It will help mind you but sonys ridiculous prices will ruin it for them. As for the wii I think you're being a little to confident in its perfromance as a system. No one out of conventions or the developers has played the games or used the new wand controller with a finished game. I love nintendo but im waiting until I get a wii to pass my judgement, when I actually have play experience to back it up. Right now thw 360 is the only next gen system out and im playing it no matter what people say. Sorry I get a little touchy on ths subject. Feo Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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I don't understand how Halo 3 and the Xbox appeals to kids when you say that Nintendo makes the "kiddy games". Wouldn't that make the Wii the one that appeals to children...? Anyways, the latest recording sales of Halo 2 is 6.4 million sales. I expect Halo 3 to actually sell LESS. Now you ask why.. The Xbox 360 has only sold 5 million recorded since June 30. The Original Xbox sold around 13.5 million systems. Obviously sales will pick up..by how much though? Well we'll find out later. And not every 360 owner will pick up Halo 3. Well I could be wrong, the highest I see Halo 3 sales at is either the same as Halo 2 or just a bit over, around 6.7 million. Time for some more common sense, one game won't save the 360 from its inevitable failure, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time sold 7.6 million copies worldwide, Super Mario 64 sold 11.6 million copies worldwide not including its DS counterpart. The 64 lost out against the PSX. So don't tell me the 360's Halo 3 can help it win the console war, it won't. I foresee Wii>PS3>Xbox360, a strong lineup of Metroid Prime 3, Zelda:TP, Mario Galaxy, and Smash Brawl > Halo 3. There are also rumors of PS3 games being over 70$. The PS3's price is just too high, and if graphics is all you care about then you can't be called a true gamer. Graphics are nice now and then, but if that's all you care about then go look outside. Gameplay is the only thing that matters. Comparatively, buying an Xbox360+Wii would be the same as buying a PS3. Xbox360+Wii=600$ PS3=600$ Wii + 6-8 games = 600$ Which would you choose? |
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by Feo Muchacho
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I just thoght this thread could use a little chief action, there's no picture of him here so ill post this one. Praise the arbiter! Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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by Feo Muchacho
on 2006-08-22 15:40:40 (edited 2006-08-22 16:13:43)
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Halo 3 probably wont win the console war,but rather sonys terrible marketing decisions will lose it for sony and the PS3. First they are using blue ray technology which is expensive and impractical, sony of all companies should realize that cheaper technology in this case hd dvd will win out over better expensive equipment like blue ray. The other thing is the decision to impliment software that prohibits the use of rented or borrowed games on the PS3. Its a horrible idea that will definetly ruin the console. The last thing is the price which is set at over 700 dollars for the ral console like the 360 premium system. In short halo 3 wont win the console war but it will certainly help. Japanese girls love Darth Vader...... |
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by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango
on 2006-08-22 13:17:47
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| Hence the unbelievable stupidity of A) the rumor or B) Sony. |