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I have been eaten by Philosophy but I think I am not a philosopher. Philosophy forced my to think, really. Let us start! According to Plato, the soul existed, in the world of "ideas," before the body. Before the soul entered the body, it is perfect. It knows everything. But when it enters the body, it becomes imperfect. Its memory is lost, ideas, and everything. But when it is in the body, it struggles to know what it knows in the past but it will not know everything. And when the body dies, the soul becomes perfect again. That is why we have Deja vus, because we or I mean our soul experienced it beforehand. So, what do you think? |
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lol Out-of-body-experiance u mean...  |
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| Yup! Out of the body experience, you got it! Except that the body is not yet present. |
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Yeah i did have deja-vus about bringing my girlfreind to the ice-ring and it happened lol.... |
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This may be somewhat pessimistic in a way, but I believe that the soul is really just a compolation of all of the memories and emotions in a person. I think a person (an organism in general) starts out as an ambitious and blank slate simply trying to survive in this world. In order to survive he/she/it learns as he/she/it goes through life and all of its experiences and logs what he/she/it learns in his/her/its memories. The soul of an organism basically depends of those experiences and those memories. I really don't know though, this may just be the pain-killers talking.
You need a reason to be sad. You don't need a reason to be happy. The secret to happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible.
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@ Me: You got Aristotle's point of view! According to Socrates (again), Ideas are innate, that means it is inborn (with us). We already know, we just have just forgotten it (the soul). But Aristotle said that there are no innate ideas. Ideas come from our senses. It means that it must pass first through our senses before we have an idea about something. Consider this question: What came first? The chicken or the "idea" chicken?" Certainly Aristotle will answer that the chicken came first but Socrates and Plato will be on the opposite side. Is it too complicated? |
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...yeah, I do have Aristotle's point of view. I do agree with Socrates on intuition's effect on the overall outcome of an organism (though I won't take it as far as Plato's point of view though). In a physical sense, the chicken will come first (Aristotle). In an abstract sense though, the "idea" of the chicken could have been percieved long before the actual chicken came about through natural intuition and imagination. This natural intuition and imagination could have been completely innate and determined before the organism was even born (Socrates, Plato).
You need a reason to be sad. You don't need a reason to be happy. The secret to happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible.
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Socrates and Plato both used their Reason to prove the soul. But Aristotle used his Senses to prove his. Philosophers can be classified into two: Rationalists and Empiricists. Rationalists believe that Reason must be used in finding the "Truth." Emipicists, on the other hand, believ that senses must be the one to be used. Both have correct point of views, if you will think about it. But who is better, the empiricist or the rationalist? |
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 DaedalusMachina
on 2006-03-31 00:00:35 |
| Balance is power. Neither is superior over the other. |
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indeed, of course a reason is an important factor to find the truth, but when we know nothing at all, all we can depend on is our senses. Sometimes senses can be correct anyways, maybe some of you ever experienced it when your senses felt stronger than ususal. And besides, if you make a reason out of something you're not very sure, then isn't that predicting? So there's a part of your senses involved there. So, i have to agree Daedalusmachina, both sense and reason have their own advantage and disadvantages and thus, equal, just like most things in this world. |
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It was said soul had a certain weight , I read the article somewhere. Accordin to that article a scientist researched this on a dyin man and a dying dog (the man was of course a volunteered convict)and when the man died after losing all moisture and stuff like the the weight was gradually dropping until when there was a sudden change in the weight lost which I forgot how many grammes (it was believed to be the soul going out of the body) they did the same thing on the dog and it was said that the dog had no soul . Forgive my crappy grammar..Lemme dig up the article  |
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Well, according to Democritus, the everything is made up of small particles which he termed "atoms" (atom means "uncuttable"). Atoms do have weight right? Logically speaking, there might be a point about that weight of soul. Since Democritus said that all things are made up of atoms, he stated that the soul is made up of "Soul Atoms," which is also eternal and immutable. When a person dies, his atoms break down and scatter. When it does, the soul atoms also scatter, which means that the soul also dies. Get it? It is kinda vague but he might got a point there. |
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Yeah , I get what you mean . I still tryin to find the article I read up , But frankly Im an atheist I dont believe in souls , spirits or anything else like that . But , its fun to read.. |
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| Yup! it is really fun to read and think about it. There are a lot of Philosophical thoughts out there that I might post here so let us just sit back and think! |
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Oh by the way I found the article Link |
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@ Crossfade-san: Sorry, but our school (where I do surfing) blocked the URL so I can't read it. Could you send it in my mail? I mean the page of the link? Thanks, Crossfade. By the way, Immanuel Kant said that both sensing and reasoning come into play in our conception of the world. |
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| Umm, one thing i want to ask Ran... You said that when a person dies his atoms break down and scatter. Atom is uncuttable so how come it breaks down? i don't quite get it... |
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| I see a flaw in Plato's idea. If the soul is perfect and it knows everything, why the hell go into the body? Hmm..I think this house is unstable and it's about to collapse, let me enter into it so I can die. |
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Yeh i think we need both senses and reasoning, to enjoy anime, i mean live oops xxxnazxxx |
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| Exactly what you said saggy, it goes to the body so it can get the experience: Death... thus perfecting the knowledge of the soul. |
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