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arguments against an immortal soul
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| It would be interesting to hear some decent arguments against the soul. I am sure there are plenty of materialists and such on here. So, lets hear 'em. |
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by overlordsero
on 2006-02-13 08:54:12
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We have souls.....wether they are "good", "bad" or a mixture... You could say that our souls might even edge us to be ourselves. We all have different souls. I will post later I need to try to organize my thoughts ^_^ My soul is confused and happy. 
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on 2006-02-13 11:04:31 |
In philosophy, the easy argument to make against the existence of a "soul" is that it can neither be verified or proved wrong. Since there is no "test" to observe, or disprove the existence of such a thing, it is futile to argue over it. This means we choose not to, without saying it cannot be true. 
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| I don't know if I'd like a soul 2 much anyway. Even if I have one, the whole thought of dying and sitting there for eternity in a shapeless, ethereal form isn't to my liking. Hell sounds like a rave party and heaven sounds like a country club. Seeing as I don't like either, I'd be for reincarnation. Espescially if that means coming back here as any creature of the lupine persuasion. Even if my 'religion' says I have a soul and should do good so it stays nice and white; I believe what I want to believe and hold close the bit of reasonable doubt that some people lose when dedicating themselves to a religion by making their beliefs solid as law. |
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Soul or no soul. I am fine with either. I wouldn't mind being a ghost. That would actually be good becuase if I could I wouldn't have to worry about finding love before I die. It would probaly be easier falling in love if I were a soul. It wouldn't have to worry about my appearance because everybody would be a floating orb. I could just bump into other souls until I finally bump one and merge with it. And no soul would be nice because it would save us from eternal pain.  Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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on 2006-02-13 23:03:17 |
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It was said that the soul is one of the three things that make up a human being, along with the spirit and the body. It is supposed to be the component that carries the mind and the heart. A soul is in the human body, determining the nature of the being. It is also defined in the Wikipedia Site. Existentialists argue whether or not there is a soul. Furthermore, there isn't any viable evidence that there is a soul for each being. But by theory, a soul is virtually immortal because it is indestructible by any physical means. What's this...I'm talking nonsense again... *blip*  *blip* |
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Even with their threats of eternal damnation and soul roasting, christians missionaries have run accross some who were not so quick to swallow their drivel. Pleasure and pain, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. So, when missionaries ventured to Alaska and warned the Eskimos of the horrors of Hell and the blazing lake of fire awaiting transgressors, they eagerly asked: ''How do we get there?'' - Anton Szandor LaVey (The Satanic Bible) Consciousness exists, the soul does not thats my opinion anyway.
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| interesting what everyone writes about souls... I like the Kemetian style: when the living speaks your name still, then you are alive, although in another dimension |
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on 2006-02-14 19:41:12 |
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I believe we are divided into flesh, soul, and mind. Our souls are pure and want always to do good, our flesh is wicked and always wants to do evil, and our minds float somewhere inbetween. Well there's my two cents...  |
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these are all interesting posts, but I was looking for arguments more than opinions. Gendou's post was probably the closest to an argument that presents a challenge to any theory of what the soul is, or its existence. I don't think that the concept of having a soul is a purely christian or religious idea (in response to Oblivion). Aristotle and the muslim commentators on his works present a concept of soul that is fairly well developed. Although JayLon_EX's response was good, it was still not an argument per se. It seems that nobody has ever heard a good articulation of the soul. It is counter-intuitive to say that we are all just like flesh and bone robots, which is the alternative to the concept of soul. |
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i have always asked this question? if the soul is not immortal then what is the reason for living? Honestly, i believed that it is easy to die than to live. if i gonna die to day i don't have to worry about life... what's the reason for living without believing that something will move towards some end... 
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by Jad [Alt] Kaizer
on 2006-03-08 21:16:58 (edited 2006-03-08 21:25:47)
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@backbeat: If you keep on asking yourself what this question is, it's not going to lead you anywhere. My point is, since no one exactly knows whether it's immortal or not (the closest arguments are still theoretical), so why waste so much effort finding for it's answer? Well, as far as I can tell, people can get frustrated if there's no answer to their question. But there are certain facts that we humans are not able to understand, or it is not necessary for us to understand it. I'm not promoting dogma here though, but since you mentioned that your life looked so meaningless and death sounds easier because you couldn't find the answer, so why not put this question down and live your life? For all that time you've wasted in searching the answer, you could have used it to enjoy more of your life. And who knows, you might find the answer through it. :)
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on 2006-03-09 19:56:06 |
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@Jad [Alt] Kaizer - do you know the "theory of oppossite"? if so then let's discuss this... if you will not answer my questions ask why do we still have to live if dying is only equal to nothing then why do we have to live there no point in living if the equation is the same... in the end why don't we destroy the world since is nothing 'cause what you're saying is that its nothing. there no sense in it... if there's no after life after all... why live it..
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 cloud strife
on 2006-03-09 20:12:32 |
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im a christian and for our faith, we believe there of course is an afterlife. in fact its an eternal after life. and its either heaven or hell. earth is only a phase in our lives which is short compared to eternity. its kinda used as a test of our faith towards God. ....ive got too much to say, ill let u ask the questions lmao.
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by Jad [Alt] Kaizer
on 2006-03-09 20:55:43 (edited 2006-03-09 21:05:21)
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@backbeat: I understand that 'theory', which I think you were supposingly referring to 'balance' instead of 'opposite'. And I didn't say it's 'nothing' - there is an ANSWER but you can only answer it yourself by searching it in your life (and that's why I refused to answer your question because I can't describe it). And one piece of advice - it does not benefit you when you ASK that question while you are thinking that life is meaningless. The answer will come when you've truly lived. :) Here's what I had mind. I don't care for the past, neither for the future that I can't reach. What I care is the Present, as the seed we plant in the Present determines our future. If you believe that there's no meaning in life as you have to die one day, then that belief of yours shall become your seed - and the fruit you gain is a meaningless life. Like it or not, every living being has to die one day. And I know that my body will break down into pieces one day. But if I were to live my life fully, I will not have any regrets living this life. And well, for every beginning there is an end, and Death is just part of the process of Life, and without Death Life will become Immortality (which is boring to me IMHO). And well, I do not expect you to entirely accept what I said just now, as I can see that the both of us have different beliefs. But I'd hope that what I'm telling you can inspire you to search for that answer you're looking for. ^___^
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hello guys! i'm just new here and i got interested on your topic. i only want to encourage you to read the BIBLE. all the words there have LIFE (GOD-breathed) and i think it will answer all your questions. thank you. |
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I wasn't really trying to go in that direction, religious arguments for a soul. I was looking at the arguments for and against by pure reason. And yes, there are arguments almost purely based on reason. I don't have time right now, but if anyone is really interested in arguing about the nature of a soul, I would be willing to debate it. Although, it has to be a discussion based on reason. It would help me to see how I think about the subject myself. |