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"Wa" and "ga"
Link | by 聖竜 on 2006-01-27 14:32:59
After all the numerous posts, I still don't know when to use which one.

I guess it would help if there was an example and a description.

Thanks!


Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by Filter on 2006-01-27 17:05:56
I wrote out a fairly long reply, but the forum logged me out before I could post it... So I'm just going to make this short:

wa = changes the topic of discussion, or in other words, the matter at hand on which everyone involved in the conversation will comment.

- watashi wa amerikajin desu. ("Speaking of me, I am an American.")

ga = changes the subject of a sentence. Used after a complete sentence, it acts as a qualifying conjunctive similar in meaning to "but".

- watashi ga amerikajin desu. ("*I* am the one who is an American.")
- watashi wa amerikajin desu ga, anata wa nihonjin desu. ("Speaking of me, I am an American, but speaking of you, you are a Japanese.)

ここに何を言うのか全く分からない。。。

Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by 聖竜 on 2006-01-28 07:56:12
So "ga" puts the emphasis on I, while "wa" will just refer to yourself?

Does this rule apply to the second and third person perspective as well?


Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by マモル の ひめ on 2006-01-30 04:04:00
as I know, wa is the joshi(kind of auxiliary verb) that identifies topic of sentence. That'll tell U what are we talking about. "Ga" is the one of joshi that identifies subject of sentence, so, that makes U know who/what is the subject,person who do the action.

Example :

Boku wa nihonjin dewaarimasen. - I'm not Japanese.(Topic is I - talk'bout I that I'm not JPN)
Boku ga gohan wo tabeteiru. - I'm eating rice.(We'll talking that now,I'm eating' - It's not just focus only me but What am I doing...)

And another issue, use ga for the subject that firsted mention, and then use wa for refering that subject.

Example :

Boku ga gohan wo tabeteiru.(again)- I'm eating rice.
Boku wa okaasan no hambagaa wo daisukida yo! - (speak of me who is eating)I like mom's Hamburgur very much, ya'know!

wakarimashitaka?
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This is in my a bit empty head ^^" If there're anything wrong, please forgive me.....T_T

みつけて Your Dream どんな ときも、
みつけて Your Dream ときが きても、
みつけて Your Dream こわれ かけた、
みつけて Your Dream どこへ いても...

ぼくも ゆめがみつけたいな...

Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by 聖竜 on 2006-01-30 12:24:23
So "ga" is used commonly as a particle to designate verbs?


Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by Filter on 2006-01-30 13:37:42 (edited 2006-01-30 13:39:57)
No.

"ga" only marks a sentence subject, or the thing that *is* or *does* something.

anata ga hashiru = "You will run"

"ga" is marking "anata" -- you -- as the subject of this sentence. Because "hashiru" -- to run -- is a verb, "anata" is understood to be the one who will *do* the running.

kore ga jisho da = "This is a dictionary"

"ga" is marking "kore" -- this -- as the subject of this sentence. "jisho" -- dictionary -- is a noun followed by the copula "da" -- is,are,am,were,etc. --, so "kore" is understood to *be* a dictionary.

"ga" marks sentence subjects. Not verbs, not nouns, not topics. Just SENTENCE SUBJECTS.

Now "wa", for lack of a better term, marks CONVERSATION SUBJECTS. We call those "topics".

ga = marks subject of sentences
wa = marks subject of conversations (called "topics")

I too had a tough time understanding this concept at first, but you'll get it eventually.

ここに何を言うのか全く分からない。。。

Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by 聖竜 on 2006-01-30 13:43:45
So "ga" is more specific. As in, it refers to a more specific object like a rock, while "wa" marks the point of the conversation? So, if the topic of the conversation is a cat, then the cat would be used with a "wa?"


Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by Filter on 2006-01-30 14:02:43
Yeah, pretty much.

One thing with "wa", though: it can mark almost *anything* as a topic. Nouns, pronouns, verbs, or even entire sentences. And depending on WHERE you mark a topic change, you can express a number of possible meanings.

But... You'll learn each of those constructions over time. There's no need to memorize them all at once.

ここに何を言うのか全く分からない。。。

Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by 聖竜 on 2006-02-02 18:01:47
I just read another post.

So "wa" is a topic marker while "ga" is a subject marker?
That explains a lot.


Re: "Wa" and "ga"
Link | by blue on 2006-02-03 00:20:53
Wow!! Thanks for the explanation and lessons. You are a graet teacher, Filter!!!

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