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You really think a Gundam and can kill an F-14?
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by desertranger
on 2005-12-02 06:16:16 (edited 2006-01-11 17:59:35)
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 H4xor dude you wrote It's not even possible for a missile designed for air-to-AIR combat to lock onto a target that's over 100 miles out of visible range, let alone be effective, plus Wing Zero's static AMS is effective up to 12 miles and would shoot any down if it doesn't care to dodge them until they run out of fuel. You're judges are obviously biased, and I haven't even brought up the buster rifle (which it's effective distance is not completely known, but is calculated at at least 30 miles EASILY, plus plasma's faster than lead or missiles). End of my argument. Start with this. I spent 18 years as a BombNav in the USAF flying F-4 Phantoms IIs and F-111 Wild Weasels. Air combat maneouvering (ACM) often takes place Beyond Visual Range (BVR). Today I play the worlds most advanced air combat flitesim. I fly F-14s and F-16s. With the use of AGEIS and AWACS CnC systems feeding data to an F-14s fire control system I don't even need my radar to kill a target, I don't need to see it and I certainly don't get anywhere near the range of his weapons..  So in the original post. It was decided that we would match the published technical specs of both Gunda suit against the Tomcat. We also assumed that the suit was a real world device capable of combat as specified by the TV series. After the original specs post on the F-14 we added a few SciFi weapons for the hell of it. Only when we all read the F-14s specs against the Gundam suit guess who was hopelessly outclassed? H4xor dude that is not the end of your argument.  From the original post by Alucard Kamantari. Code name: Wing Gundam Zero Model number: ZZGMF-X56S Impulse Unit type: transformable mobile suit Manufacturer: Quatre Raberba Winner (based on a design by Doctor J, Professor G, Instructor H, Doktor S and Master O) Operator: Gundam pilots First deployment: AC 195 Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in torso Dimensions: head height 16.7 meters Weight: empty 8.0 metric tons; max gross weight unknown Construction: gundanium alloy Powerplant: ultracompact fusion reactor, power output rating unknown Performance ability levels: fighting 150; weapons 150; speed 160; power 140; armor 140 Equipment and design features: sensors, range unknown; "Zero System" combat computer/pilot interface in cockpit; self-destruct system Fixed armaments: 2 x machinecannon, fire-linked, mounted on torso; 2 x wing vulcan gun, fire-linked, mounted in wing binders; 2 x beam saber, stored in recharge racks in shoulders, hand-carried in use Optional fixed armaments: shield with "piledriver" nose, mounts on main body in Neo-Bird mode Optional hand armaments: twin buster rifle, can be separated into two separate single-barrel buster rifles, can be stored on shield, mounts on main body in Neo-Bird mode As you Can See, The Wing Gundam Zero has quite the structure, armor, and weaponry... It's Zero System allows the pilot's mind to interface directly with the Gundam's combat computer. It has machine guns on its sides, vulcans guns its wings, beam sabers, and it's ultimate weapon... the Twin Buster Rifle, which is two in one... From the original post on the same forum by Ranger. The Grumman F-14D Super Tomcat first flew 1988. There were a total of 712 produced. It has a crew of two, a pilot and an weapons systems officer. Together they fly and fight one of the worlds top 5 fighters. #1 F-15 Eagle #2 Mig-29 Fulcrum #3 F-14 Tomcat #4 F/A-18 Hornet $5 F-16 Falcon Does not include new planes not yet in service. Specification: Height – 16 ft. (4.9 m) - - - - - - - - - While not as tall Wingspan – 64ft., 1.5 in. (19.5 m) - - - it is wider Length – 62 ft., 8 in. (19.1 m) - - - - - and longer Wing area – 656 sq. ft. (52.49 m2) - - -with more control. Made of titanium it the F-14D is powered by: Two General Electric F110-GE-400 afterburning turbofans with 26,795 lbs. static thrust Each Which means it... Maximum speed – 1,585 mph at 40,000 feet, - - - flys faster, Ceiling – 65,000 ft. - - - ...higher Climb rate – 50,000 ft. per minute - -and gets there first... with 3 times the weapons payload of: 1 20 mm M61-A1 six-barrel rotary cannon with 1675 rounds of ammunition and 14,500 lbs. of external stores beneath the fuselage and wing rack consiting of: 6 Aim-54G Phoenix ADCAP (advanced capability) 4 Aim-120 AMRAAM 2 Aim-9 Sidewinder, 2 Aim-7 Sparrow missiles Maximum takeoff weight – 70,426 lb. - - - even though it is more than 4 times heavier. A little note here Gundamn suit weighs about 17,000 lbs. While the F-14 carries almost that in weapons alone, 14,500lbs. FYI, This is the spec for the F-14'as fire control system and the AIM-54 Phoenix. Source information "Jane's fighting aircraft". If it's in light blue that is my SciFi weapon everything else is true. The F-14D AN/APG-71 fire control and radar system is one of the most advanced in the world. The original F-14A AN/AWG-9 weapons control system can detect and track countermeasures-equipped targets at ranges of 195 miles, depending on target size. Up to 24 targets can be tracked simultaneously. Destruction of these targets firing the Hughes AIM-54C Phoenix missile has taken place at ranges in excess of 125 miles! In 1988 F-14D received a new radar system, the AN/APG-71 weapons control system that enabled multiple target tracking and shootdown with twice the range of the AN/AWG-9 radar of the F-14A. Coupled with the new AIM-54G Phoenix ADvanceCAPability air-air/space missile with point singular propulsion technology and anti-matter warhead has proven to work to be the new workhorse of the navy and able to fire accurately at a standoff distance well beyond the range of even the most advanced Gundam weapons suite. With addition of the digitally linked Ageis Fleet Defense System (AFDS) the AIM-54G can be fired at and guided to target well beyond visual range the without the use of the AN/AWG-71 fire control system giving the F-14D an unheard of advantage in the field of "see and not be seen" weapons control. Now my argument is ended. Specifications of the AIM-54. Primary Function Long-range air-launched air intercept missile Contractor Hughes Aircraft Co. and Raytheon Co. Unit Cost $477,131 Power Plant Solid propellant rocket motor built by Hercules Length 13 feet (3.9 meters) Weight 1000 pounds - AIM-54A 1040 pounds - AIM-54C [various, 1020-1040 pounds] 1023 pounds - AIM-54C ECCM/Sealed Missile Diameter 15 inches (38.1 cm) Wing Span 3 feet (.9 meters) Range In excess of 210 km (125 miles, 110 nautical miles) Speed In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) Guidance System Semi-active and active radar homing Warheads Proximity fuse, high explosive Warhead Weight 135 pounds (60.75 kg) Date Deployed 1974        If you want screenshots from the mose recent upgrade check this out. Opens a new window. Absolutely awsome. You won't believe they're screenshots. The next upgrade is due out sometime next year.  |
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Re: You really think a Gundam and can kill an F-14?
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oh WOW... soooooo much classified info...and i find it very surprising that nobody said anything. hmm... 18 years of fighter piloting: WOW again :O... wish i could ride one of those jet plane just once. i always dreamed of flying freely (star wars flight game is all i can do for now ><). my salute to you, sir.  |
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Re: You really think a Gundam and can kill an F-14?
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ive always wanted to be a fighter pilot. especially for the f-14 tomcat. the sweep wing fighter plane. but there arent any here in the philippines. honestly, id rather be an f-14 pilot than a gundam pilot.. dont ask me why, its in my personality i guess.
love & peace
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Re: You really think a Gundam and can kill an F-14?
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on 2006-01-12 05:56:39 (edited 2006-01-12 06:01:06)
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Ranger I'm going to turn this into an aircraft, military and war stories thread. Since the world seems to be in a constant state of war you should know what it is and what it means to be a warrior. Rin hates war and even so she said I could do this. I also have some very cool photos of planes. Jhong I know why you want to fly and F-14 over a Gundam it's all in the specs. An F-14 can kick the s--t out of a Gundam. Using the published specs (when available) for various mechas in a real world fight the only one that stands a chance is the YF-19B from UN Spacy in the Macross saga. There are two sims I fly, Falcon 4.0 and it's upgrade and Falcon AF. Falcon 4.0 can be found from $5-10USD on Ebay. Falcon AF the current commercial release is available from GraphSim trhe each have theior pros and cons and I prefer Falcon 4.0 with the Free Falcon upgrades. Online play is best done with Falcon AF. You can expect to spend 6 months to a year learning this. Now don't just sit there DO IT! Come fly Falcon. For the record all that info is in the public domain, nothing classified If there was I'd have to shoot you. I started to fly when I was 14. I used to go to the airport and wash planes, sweep the hangars and drive the fuel bowser in trade for flying lessons. When I got out of the air force I wanted to continue flying so my cousin Clarke and I bought a twin engine Aero Commander 520C from the AF at an auction and over the last 18 years we have restored it. Most guys buy boats, I like planes.  Â Â  Lady Rin Fight your wars here *STOMPS FOOT* be as violent as you want at least here none of you will die. As of this date 47 young men frmm our local marine base have died in Iraq fighting a fools war.
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Re: You really think a Gundam and can kill an F-14?
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on 2006-01-12 06:13:15 (edited 2006-01-12 06:49:51)
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lol you honestly think an F-14 can touch a gundam, granted, with speed and in the atmosphere, (in the air) the thing can could fly circles around the gundam, but most gundams are very sturdy and can take quite a few pumlings from a missile barrage, and as soon as the gundam got a shot off, you'd be toast. With the G-Seed gundams coming out, these guys have taken point blank shots from a railgun, a weapon that has already been proven on the web to being more powerful than any conventional gun. Even if you were to face the original Gundam, the pilot newtype senses would see you before you saw him and an advanced newtype could stop the missile with his mind :p As for your issue with wieght, its a gundam's design to be light-wieght for more manuverablity. Up in the air is not really a gundam's ball court, if you really want prove arial supperiority, try taking out this thing first... Apsolus Model 2: A mobile armor built by a Zeon researcher that can enter and reenter the atmosphere at its convience. It use concentrated menofsky particles for its propulsion and has perfect manuverabilty in any enviroment as long as the system is stable. Because of its propulsion system, the Apsolus is invincible to beam fire, and heavy projectiles have little effect. The Apsolus M2 has two primary weapons, one is based on ground attacks and is usless in the air. The second is a particle cannon which demostrated the ability to devestate a large ground target, (namely Jaburo) This same cannon has a wide dispersal effect and you'd have to see coming from very far away to dodge it.  |
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Re: You really think a Gundam and can kill an F-14?
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by desertranger
on 2006-01-12 19:03:21
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Not tonight guys, sorry. |