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non existance
Link | by Sturm on 2005-10-18 09:03:04
If anything we cant see, touch, smell, or hear then can they affect us?
and let's say the color spectrum...if we cant see the other colors does that mean that they dont exist to us but do to lets say dogs or cats?
does that mean that diffrent animals live in diffrent zones of existance or reality because they can tap into either more or less?

"Empires rise and fall, but evil is eternal"

Re: non existance
Link | by hoheshii on 2005-10-18 10:48:36
Here's one for ya....

How can we be sure that the colours I see are the same as the colours you see?

Since it is impossible to describe colours, we can't know for sure.

Wise Man says: "Take a dog off its leash and it will wander."

Re: non existance
Link | by gendou on 2005-10-18 11:22:29
what is meant in physics by "color" is the frequency of light. if you and i measure the frequency of the light to be the same, then the "color" is the same. as it happens, humans have some pretty good light sensors built right into their faces. lucky us.

however, color may not have the same "meaning" to you as it does to me, but thats another topic entirely.

as for the parts of the electro-magnetic (light) spectrum other than the "visible range"; we have some VERY precise instruments and methods for measuring this light. your eyes are one tool, just as an x-ray machine is another.

animals live in the VERY SAME universe we do. of course they experience it in a vastly different way. in some ways, humans seem to have a "deeper" understanding of nature because of our scientific discoveries. in some ways, animals seem to have a "deeper" understanding of nature because of their closeness with it.

just because you don't sense ultra-violet light, doesn't mean its not there. it still gives you a sunburn: proof of it's existence.


Re: non existance
Link | by sarinvapor on 2005-10-18 12:54:47
For us to say that something exists, it or its effects have to be perceptible. Something that cant be percieved (like say a physical particle that never interacts with matter and does not explain any physical phenomena) cannot be said to exist. Nor can any object exist outside our perceptions. The trees, cars, and buildings we see around us exist only as the information provided by our senses.

I guess the main issue then is where the signals to our senses come from and how do all minds in the world come to percieve the same world.

Just took a test in my philosophy class today, by the way.

Re: non existance
Link | by GeicoGecko on 2005-10-18 14:56:13 (edited 2005-10-18 14:56:24)
you know what's non-existant? the division bar between sarinvapor's post and gendou's post.


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Re: non existance
Link | by Evard on 2005-10-18 20:24:40
enginer is right because shrip can see more colors than us so there could also be a difisoncy in humans aka color blind

sorry this is out of place
enginer please respond to the question I asked in your 3 word game
where did you get the Idead from? Lord of Shiv aka me on G2anime(no longer a site)

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Re: non existance
Link | by Sturm on 2005-10-19 08:40:42
yea i c what u guys are saying

but i have another ques.

if we cant understand non existance (because everytime we imagine it it turns out black or white) then what is it?

it cant be a realm or something and it cant be space and it cant have time sooo what happens in it (guesses?)

"Empires rise and fall, but evil is eternal"

Re: non existance
Link | by GeicoGecko on 2005-10-19 08:46:55
it will be a dark area with no gravity which is completely cold, no friction.

Dark = ABSCENCE of light
cold = ABSCENCE of heat
and I think everyone understands the bit about no gravity and friction.



I'll eat you.

Re: non existance
Link | by Sturm on 2005-10-21 07:31:24
actually Maybe the realm were talking about functions differently...
I mean maybe we just made up non existance; what makes me believe this is that there was a recent discovery that there are new organisms LIVING in temperatures BELOW absloute zero on the kelvin scale.
This leads then to believe they live in a completely different plane of existance so maybe we made up non existance to cover up the infinte plane of existances that there are!

(btw the recent discovery is the only thing proven in this post the rest is speculation and/or theories)

"Empires rise and fall, but evil is eternal"

Re: non existance
Link | by jamieannette on 2005-11-02 10:11:38
Nonexistence can be explained as lack of knowledge. But this would only apply to the individual state. In other words, things only exist in your reality, because you have knowledge of thier existence. ie; I would not exist to you if I had not joined this site giving you knowledge of my existence. Therefore, my existence was not recognized in your reality, or rather, I did not exist to you.

Who ever said anything is possible, never tried slamming a revolving door...


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