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Time problem
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Ok... this is a problem i thought up of a long time ago, some people say they have seen it before, but whatever~ ok, so we, humans, are chemicals and electrons, agreed? it's already predetermined what we will do in the next second or minute according to our environment. we humans, and everything, are only chemicals and electrons. everything is predictable, because it's all Natural, natural reactions. |
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| Ok, so here comes the problem... if there was a machine i had, and this machine would scan the current moment of earth and it would be able to chemically predict what will happen, would it be able to predict what i will do at like 12:00pm? yes it would right? so i look into what the machine displays and i see myself going to tim hortons at 12, at that moment i choose to go to mcdonalds. and now the machine should display mcdonalds, yet i do not like the machine's prediction and choose to go to tim hortons. and whatever the machine displays is whatever i will not go to. so what will the machine display the moment i turn it on? if it has scanned all chemistry and electrons then it should naturally be able to predict where i will be at 12 right? so it's all natural and predictable right? what does the machine display? |
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some criteria to the question... first, please do not criticize my machine or knowledge on chemicals and electrons... just assume that the machine works perfectly. and also, if the machine displays tim hortons, i will go to mcdonalds. if it displays mcdonalds, i would go to tim hortons. if it displays anything else, i am going to mcdonalds. |
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| and this really doesn't relate well to minority report since this is no life and death situation and there are many tim horton's and mcdonald's, unless they all suddenly explode.... |
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I think your choice is already made and time traveling backwards in time is not possible. Forward time travel though might be possible, this is because the future has not happened. Another theory is that we are in a never ending time circle. Which means we keep repeating events and our history keeps repeating itself. Well, that is just a few theories. |
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Ok, I'm not exactly a brilliant person but here's something that I've thought about. I've personally decided that it's impossible to stop time on one thing and not another. If time were stopped on everything except one item and you moved that one item even slightly, when time was started up again it would combust or cause a huge explosion or something because it would have moved so fast. I don't know...like I said I'm not all that smart but doesn't that make at least some sense? |
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by mostlikely
on 2003-12-24 16:19:50
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I'm going to try to awnser this question 3 fold. These are my opinions.. cristize them if you want.. I won't stand by them. Where will you have dinner today. 1: Prediction by simulation. You starve to death. 2: Prediction by time-travel. time-line 1: You starve to death. time-line 2: mcdonalds. 3: The smart machine. mcdonalds. explanation follows. |
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by mostlikely
on 2003-12-24 16:24:52
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1: Prediction by simulation. You starve to death. If your machine works like you say it does, it does not only take your atoms/molecules/chemicals into the equation but everyone elses too, including the machines. Now assuming the machine tries to simulate the solution, and there's no death or other suprises waiting for you before you go out eating, a feedback loop occurs. Simulate displaying mcDonalds -> awnser = tim hortons Simulate displaying tim hortons -> awnser = mcDonalds.. ect. That's why the machine taking it's own influence into account will keep calculating till you die of starvation or get bored. |
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by mostlikely
on 2003-12-24 16:31:24
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2: Prediction by time-travel. time-line 1: You starve to death. time-line 2: mcdonalds. If we assume instead the machine travels forward in time to check up on you where your going to eat and travels back to tell you, the following situation occurs. note time lines are from the machines perspective. [time line 1] -Machine disapears. -You keep waiting till it returns with an awnser -Machine reapears and sees you died of starvation before eating at one place or another. -Machine travels back in time and enters time line 2. [time line 2] -Machine reapears right after the machine from this time line went to the futur (making it apear they where one and the same) -Machine displays "none". -You go to mcDonalds. |
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by mostlikely
on 2003-12-24 16:34:29
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3: The smart machine. mcdonalds. Ofcourse the machine could be more of the psychological prediction kind. So the machine "knows" that his awnser effects your choice.. and he knows you kinda feel like going to mcDonalds today.. that's why it displays tim hortons at the first try. Have a nice lunch. |
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by mostlikely
on 2003-12-24 16:41:00
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The thing is, For an machine to make accurate prediction about things including itself it will need to make assumptions, just like you can't store the double amount of data in a data storage, wich will in the end lead to an false awnser. Time travel will probable keep us speculating for a long time.. and I would go to mcDonalds anyway. Wich however does not take away that this is a nice problem. |
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by Homunculus
on 2004-01-30 16:12:26
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Say that if you go to the past to continue our knowledge of technology because all of our resources were used up, what would happen? I theorize that if we use some of the resources in the past, we are removing resources that were planned to be used by us in the future. What if one used all resources? Would one forget the machines that were created in one's time? Would he forget all about that? Using something in the past can greatly effect the future. If someone killed Bill Gates then Microsoft wouldn't exists, right? Some other brand of an OS would come out. It might be better or worse. We could cause a lot of bad things to happen if we achieve that technology...
The Fag...
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all of your people's ideas are so....wow...o_o...i can't seem to think properly..i feel so stupid and young....actually i am young...but still.....but wow, you guys have a lot of knowledge =)
onigiri ^^-v
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by Homunculus
on 2004-03-05 15:42:58
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To tell you the truth, I am only 15. I gained a lot of my knowledge through deep thought and games. Games make you wonder what is true and isn't. I also figured out that William Shakespeare isn't real. Someone wrote the plays and he was covered up. There are a lot of clues in Encyclopedias. You people should try to look it up...
The Fag...
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The whole basis of this conversation is wrong! (yea yea, kick me after you read my post) If you want to predict the future you will need to know the state of the atoms/electrons/whatever. - what you said However when you determine the state of the atom it's properties change unpredictably, so can never know the real outcome. You can only derive indirect observations, if you try to observe directly you will become part of the observation and thus your result will be innacurate har ^__^ - btw, this has been proven with some experiment in Frnace I think it was --Jarudin-- |
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on 2004-03-29 09:13:30 |
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First off who knows chaos theory? (Post in later reply of cousre) If you knew how every single variable in the universe were going to behave on a given day you would be able to predict the outcome of any event. However that is right now impossible because this takes into account how a hydrogen atom half way across the universe will change the way a guy steers his car thus avoiding a fatal accident. Thus there is no problem with time it is with our perception of it and lack of understanding on the basics. |
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You don't need to understand how electrons work to know that your soccer ball will score when you kick it in the right direction. This problem does not ask for you to understand how the machine works, it only asks for a theoretical answer with only 1 variable and millions of assumptions (similar to most other scientific questions). |
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Hehe ^_^ I don't think we're allowed to understand this kind of thing yet! EDIT: Wouldn't it be funny if we sat here talking about it for so long that we, ourselves, figured it all out!? And then people will be all like, "Well, I'll be damned!" lol ^_^ Žq•ª Heaven doesn't want me and hell's to afraid I'll take over! |
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by KyubiNarutoX
on 2004-04-26 07:53:07
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omg that would be so funny if that happened...anyway here is a question for all of you to think about...me and my brother came up with this and like 1000 other questions and theories over the past 2 years most of which i cant remember but this is one i can. OK, say your friend calls you and asks what youre doing and you say nothing, BUT are you actually doing nothing can you really "do nothing" my i say no i think that it is literally impossible to do nothing no matter what you do you cant say that your are doing nothing because in fact no matter what you do you cannot say this if you were just standing there and someone asked "what are you doing" and you answer "nothing" that is incorrect because you are standing there even if you were dead you are still doing something you are being dead and even if you are no existing you are still doing something you are not existing so if some one says one of those dumb jokes like "jackass says what" jokes but instead it was exist give me a milloin dollars or some crap like that and if those were like law then you couldnt get out of it LOL this would make more sense and sound better if i was to explain it to you out loud.
OMG Gendou you are so lucky to be in japan i love japan let me live with you and your host parents PLZZZ!!!???!!!
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That is a question which has the same awnser I have to alot of other questions. Basically the awnser is no, but why? This is because our language system does not allow such things as 'nothing' and does allow certain impossiblities. You can say: 'the ball is green because the sky is blue', this is a grammatically correct sentence, the language (or syntax) allows it. However everybody knows that the sentence itself is bullcrap. Like saying you're 'doing nothing' is also bullcrap but somehow we linked that to any possible number of actions refering to all insignificant ones (like living, breathing, sitting on a chair, talkin and so on). Gawd, my head hurts >_> |
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