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Hey people, Lady Rin and I were kind of hijacking another thread about aliens in order to talk about supernatural stuff, so I'm making a new thread for it! So, anyone here ever had any supernatural experiences? What are your views on magic and the supernatural? Do you think that everything can be explained by Science? Do you believe that you can influence the world through magic? I myself have never had a supernatural experience but both my mother and my sister have seen ghosts, and I could tell that they weren't making it up. Moreover, other people I know have seen ghosts at virtually THE SAME LOCATIONS! So, there are areas that I know are haunted. If you want, you can instant message me. My AIM screenname is crystalGauss (don't ask where I got it!), or you can email me at Olde_Crow@go.com. Hah, dont worry about bothering me, I love getting totally random IMs.  |
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Now matter how much I love ghosts, I cant believe in them. If they did exist I would be just like Link going around hunting for Poes and trapping them in bottles. If they do exist it isn't in this dimension.  Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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I can't say I've has experiences with.. 'ghosts' but there was one strange incident.... My mom lost her car keys one day, and it got so bad we actually called my gandparents over to help look. We could not find them ANYWHERE.. eventually my mom was so fed up she actually has each of my family put our hands in her pokets to prove they werent there. They weren't. She needed to check her company's mail at our grocery store so she had my grandpa take her (this was very shortly after we checked her pockets) and when she got inside she checked the mail, and on her way out she put her hands in her pockets and her keys were there lol... -shivers- |
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Togther we Ranger and Rin Rin does that mean I should move my post over here? It's not a problem and would provide a focal or starting point. Ranger Milady told you about our experience in N. Wales and about the Wyxla. That was the second time in my life I have sung a Wyxla, I don't talk about it. Taqeesh Canyon is a place sacred to the Indians here. Taqeesh was the first shaman of several tribes and was known as the eater of souls. He was banished from his village for abusing his power where he turned into a green ball of flame and flew into the canyon to live in the crystal rock at the base of the topmost falls. If you go into that canyon and are not at peace in your spirit you're asking for trouble. The canyon has been closed to the public since 1969, the reason is irrelevant, and people still go there to play and get hurt. I've worked in that canyon as a Tribal-ranger and have been a volunteer in search and rescue for 20 years. That canyon is different from the others. Tio start with there are more extractions and rescue from Taqeesh than in the more dangerous upper Murray, W. Palm or Berdoo Canyons. On a rescue in the July '89 I went with a team to the top falls where a group of campers had gotten trapped on a ledge. The rescue was jacked from the word go. People already hurt and 3 SAR team members being injured includng myself requiring another team to extract us. A summer storm came out of nowhere when the weather was forcast hot and sunny. It doesn't rain in the desert in July. The storm restricted itself to the mountain peak anmd the canyon where we were and made things worse with mud, rockslides and more. Through this entire thing my partner at the, Eric Runningpath and I felt a strong presence. The impression was nobody was going to make it out of that canyon. We did get out. 2 dead hikers, 4 hikers and 3 SAR team members injured. My own spirit protected me that day only Tahqeesh said don't come back. I didn't returned to that level in the canyon until 2000, again on a SAR. As I passed Green Tree pool where legend says the maid Pal-Hani was taken by Taqeesh something told me to look on Sheepsfoot ledge, the same place where those hikers got trapped in '89. This time it went easier. 3 hikers lost and dehydrated but uninjured. I found them in the exact same place as before only this time there wern't any problem. As we left I heard/felt something that basically said "I let you come here in safety this time. Now leave and don't come back". I have now been told twice in 14 years to not come back to Tahqeesh canyon. I left the Rangers a few years ago. I don't intend to go beyond lower Taqeesh Canyon. Believe what you will.  |
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Jomunga: you can believe or not believe what you like, but I know that my mother and sister weren't making stuff up. Also, there are plenty of eyewitness accounts and stories like the one Ranger has. Lady Rin: sure, you could move your post over here if you feel like it. A lot of the people coming here won't have read the post in the original thread, and I bet they'd be interested in it. |
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With this talk about indians I do have a story that I forgot the details too. Its about a certain indian tribe whom the american forefathers treated like shit. And upon the tribe leaders death we place a curse saying that every 8th or 10th or whatever president in office will die in office, I forget the numbers. And the thing is that the curse actually worked. Every president died in office according to the curse, EXCEPT Ronald Regen who was almost assasinated. It was also proven that in Regans blood that we was a descendant of the same tribe as the curse placer guy. According to the curse the next president that should die in office is the one we got right now. Prepare to die Bush. I learned this in School. I read the thing about the fairy circle, interesting I wanna go. I also wanna go to Taqueesh, even it means death. I like the supernatural it should stop hiding from me. Jomunga eats your avatars. |
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This is what I cut from the "Other lifeforms" thread. I am not a practitioner or a wiccan. Our children were in Judaism, Rangers faith. I do have a long post I cut from another forum in a philosphy disscusion on beliefs. I have tried to edit it for space. My response to the question: Do you believe (in faeries)? They are possible, I would like to believe. I think it would be very nice if they did. I here this, mostly from people who want to believe but can't. They can't because there is no proof for them. Because they can't or don't see. When I say faeries people think of tiny creatures with insect or buttrerfly wings. The faeries I believe in take that shape in my mind and heart. Yet what I have encountered, those I have seen with my eyes have actually experienced are different. My first encounter was when I was about eight. I remember the encounter. A faerie ring of mushrooms in a glade attracted me. I remember being unhappy sitting down and then a feeling of comfort and security washed over me. I felt warm, loved and wanted. Then it vansihed as quickly as it appeared. Another time at school in the summertime during the solstice. We took a field trip to N. Wales and Angelsey in the UK to explore a number of Celtic village sites some of which date back thousands of years. We also visited several stone circles, left by the druids it was thought, and burial sites. Several times during that trip, two weeks, and through the solstice we felt, as a group, something. Not some of us; all of us felt it. The reactions were different. Some girls felt cold others heat. I was overcome with a feeling incredible sensuality although at 14 I didn't know what it was. That was accompanied by incredible heat one time bitter cold another. I heard several girls talking about having an orgasm but again I didn't really understand what they were going on about. Other girls were terrified and none of us talked about it when we returned to school. Before I got married I asked Ranger what he believed in and he told me of the earth and sky and the deseret and how the Indians he grew up with taught him some of their way of life at the same time he went to Shabbis school on Sundays. I asked him if he believed in what I had told him about the Celts and my belief in faeries and his response was an emphatic no. I then asked him, and remember this was the naievete of a 20 year old girl talking to someone 17 years older, if I believe in what you have told me then why not hold a belief in faeries, the power of the stone rings and what I believe. He didn't really have an answer but did admit his answer was a bit closed minded. As we got to know each other I took him on a trip to show him Stonehenge and the stone rings at Aylesbury. On touching the blocks at both places he said that they held great power, the same kind of power he felt in the mountains of his home at a place called Tahqeesh Canyon. We also went to N. Wales and Angelsey for a weekend to see the same places I had visited in school. One evening in Bangor, N. Wales shortly before dark we parked by a Celtic stone ring near the shore to explore. I didn't want to go, I've always known it's not good to be near these rings after dark while Ranger insisted we go and have a look. After awhile he came to me and said something like; see nothing to be afraid of and took ahold of me for a hug, maybe a kiss? Then something happened; and to this day I'm not exactly sure what it was, no that's not eright. I know what it was only there was a difference over previous times. I suddenly felt as if we were physically being pulled apart then hot and flushed all over, that I being violated. I was terrifed and that was something I had never experienced before either. Ranger grabbed me pulling me away from there and practically dragged me back to the car talking nonsense about; we didn't belong there, guns won't work, it was the wrong place to be like someplace near his home and that we had to leave at once. His hands were ice cold and he was scared, something even to this day I rarely see except in his nightmares. As we got to the car he started to sing what I found out later was called a Wyxla, a song of great power and magic used by by some Sonora Desert Indians for protection or against an enemy depending on how it's sung. We were still shaking when we went back to the hotel and to the bar for a drink and to bed where we held each other very closely still not sure what had happened. After we were married and had moved to his home he took me into a place called Tahqeesh Canyon and told me the stories of the shaman named Taqeesh, the Eater of Souls. It is a beautiful place with a 65ft/20m tall waterfall, Sycamore, oak and cottonwood trees. It is the only place in the desert where there is water and none of the palm trees found wherever else there is water in the desert. He told me the reason had to do with a good shaman named Maul who became a palm tree when he died giving back to the people the good he had recieved from them and that palms wouldn't grow in a place of evil. He told me others and about the Wyxla, how it protected some and injured others and the only other time in his life he ever sang a Wyxla was in that canyon when he was 16. It didn't take much to figure out this was the place he had talked about the night we went to the faerie rings. So there it is a belief, not a religion but a belief in things that most people can't, don't or won't accept because they are "faerie tales". So, do you believe it or is this just a faerie tale I made up? Which brings me back to the question I asked Ranger over 20 years ago; if I believe in what you have told me about your beliefs then why not hold a belief in faeries, the power of the stone rings and what I believe? James Barrie author of Peter Pan wrote something like, "When a child laughs a faerie is born. And each time you say you don't believe, one dies". So for me please... Open your window tonight and wish upon a star. Then leave a place in your garden for faeries to dance. Does that help you understand? A belief is not cast in stone, they change as well with experience however this one has not changed. I tie a white ribbon around the wrists of my husband and children every night. It has nothing to do with faeries and magic and I started doing it when I married Ranger. Why? I think it protects him when he is in harms way. I have three of them stained in with his blood I have kept so I know it works. Now I have laundry to do and a house to clean. I'll come back in a few hours. uncorrected Today I have a tour to do with Ranger. Ta |
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Hey, jomunga, I remember hearing about that same curse! I'd kind of forgotten about it over the years... I didn't know that Reagan was related to the same tribe however. That would explain why he was spared. If Bush dies in office I guess that will prove that the curse still has power, even after all these years. |
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I dont know if anyone had heard this before but on another forum a guy (i think the person was a he) related a story about his friend on a camping trip in US. There's something like 'you dont piss on someone's grave and get away wif it' Indian myth. Well, this guy did kinda piss on an Indian sacred burial site without know and the whole entire time there was one bad luck after another that was too coincidental to be coincidental if you know what i mean. Two things I clearly remembered. They were running back from the previous bad luck or something and the rain started to pour really heavy, when they shut the door to the lodge, the weather became fine again, when they go out the rain started to pour again. The next day they were at the beach and just after they got out of it a lightning strike hit the change room they were just in. Other than that I only have a few supernatural experience myserlf, all to do with clairvoyance. Three times I have dreamt someone broke into the house. THe first time it took 2 months before it happened, the last two times, when I was dreaming the dream, my mum was in the toilet and heard this noise and found someone standing there outside trying to break in, this happened twice so my dad put iron bars on the windows. I actually dreamt another vision afterwards, it told me where that guy was hiding, which was the small patch of sugar cane my dad grew. Too freaky if you ask me, now I'm too scared to go to the toilet in the middle of the night, yeah i'm 22 already but i get scared too easily. Most people thought "Blair witch project" and "The Ring (US version)" was not really scary but it scared the shit out of me for a month or more. after watching The ring I was so scared that when i go to sleep i put a cover over my computer screen. |
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I have to say what's in my mind... Even though I believe in alot of supernatural things, I believe that everything supernatural can be explained through science or logic method. Thousands years ago, men thought that volcanoes and tidewaves were made from the wrath of Gods. Do we think the same? No, because now it can be explained with science. In the modern world, we have the ability to fly with steel, create beings that look the same as us, talk to each other half-world apart, and the power of electricity that usually can't be seen at naked eye. What would the romans or visigoths think if they saw those things that are simple to us?! They would say it's supernatural, because they couldn't explain it. Since the birth of science, we've already explained countless "supernatural" occurrences. I do believe in Ghosts, aliens, outside-body experiences, etc... and Lady Rin, Im not skeptical so, if you say that you encountered faeries, I can only say that there must be an explanation for what you saw, there always is...and it doesn't necessarily mean that faeries don't exist. |
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Seki, those are all very interesting stories. Your claivoyancy experiences really came in handy too! More about clairvoyancy--I read an article once that did a study on clairvoyancy. It studied airplane crashes and train wrecks. In each case, the train, or plane, was carrying fewer passengers compared to trips where everything went fine. More importantly, the number of cancellations were significantly higher. In short, many ticketholders failed to show up for their trips, when those trips were to later end disastrously. When asked why they didn't show up, ticketholders had a range of responses. Some said they had a headache, others that they had a dream about the trip, others that they just had a bad feeling about it, others that they had an upset stomach. Taken individually, all these cases can be chalked up to good luck. Taken together...they suggest that at least some people are subconciously able to predict the future to a limited extent. Moreover, among the surviving passengers I believe that some of them, when interviewed, said that they had similar experiences--bad feeling about the trip, etc--but ignored their symptoms and went anyway. Hmmm, looking back on what I wrote, that was rather incoherent. Oh well. |
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oo, ooo, a cool thread!!! first off: i do believe in fae, and in fairy circles... when i was younger a friend and I were wandering in the woods near my school, and we found one... it was this deep feeling of spirituality for me, and it also made me sleepy... for some reason i wanted to stay there forever.. until my friend drew me back, hehe. and ghosts, too! i most definetly believe in ghosts... my grandpa always said i looked like my grandmother, who died when she was in her thirties due to breast cancer... he still says the resemblance is spooky. and once the fights between the people in my house started, when i was going to sleep i always felt a presence coming over to my bed, sitting on the edge of it and watching me fall asleep... for several weeks, until for some reason one night i saw red and white and i felt like she vanished or died from me, and since then things have been shit! now things are better, and she visits sometimes.... but after she left i felt really, really unprotected. people laugh at me, but i really feel like she was my guardian. and seki, your experiences are admirable! they're very, very cool... and one thing, to Ranger and Rin: your love makes me happy! hehe.
nya........... hehe.
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| nejigirl, it's great that your grandmother is still watching over you. You were the person in the depression forum about your drunk mother right? Well, at least you have your grandmother wif you, that's something to feel good about. I just wish my guardian would look after me like your grandmother, but my guardian is too busy listening to all this bloody petitions people have. |
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@NejiGirl Rin says thank you. She can't seem to login however she is sitting here with me. There are a great many things we don't understand that can't be proven by science or logic. Shiriu said thay can be so I would like to hear her explaination of why a plane with total hydraulic failure was able to maintian proper flight. Why in that same plane when I got out I found the left arm of my uniform soaking wet with a red sticky fluid I thought was blood. Why when I got home and Rin removed the white ribbon she puts into the sleeve pocket my flite suits why it was stained with hydraulic fluid, which is red. There is no way any hydraulic line in an F-111 can leak into my pocket. I have no answer. Rin has no answer. I have long given up trying to exspalin it.  |
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desertranger, you're Lady Rin's husband, right? Nice to meet you at long last, and welcome to the gendou forums! Now that plane experience is completely weird... I'd like to see Shiriu explain this! |
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Welcome, desertranger. As for your plane experience, you were in an F-111, so I guess you are an air force pilot?! I can't explain your plane experience since I'm no engeneer, but your experience doesn't seem farfetched, so the only ones that may be able to explain are the engeneers that wrote the report about it...if there is one |
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Because we are now unsure of posting in a single post together after I couldn't login yesterday and being unsure as to why. I shall post his response. Ranger says "Hello and that he is my husband". OldCrow and IndigoCrow Ranger would also like you to know the tribal name given to him 11 years ago is "Crow Caller" I remember that incident. Even the maintenance teams couldn't find a reason for it. There are other incidents involving those white ribbons as well. The ribbons themselves are nothing really, just a symbol of my love starting the first time he removed one from my hair and put it in his sleeve pocket. I would put one there every time he went flying, I still do because I have come to believe there may be something protecting him so I still put them in his pockets. Today I also put them in his pockets when he goes climbing or on a SAR, there are other times as well. He has always returned them. Three times they have come back stained with blood, those I still have along with the one that was soaked in hydraulic fluid. Each one of those represents something that went wrong and should have resulted in he and Walt (the pilot) ejecting from the plane. He was not a pilot but a BombNav, who is actually the aircraft commander. Each time they landed safely. On one of those missions one plane did not return and that day was a nightmare for me. It turned into a nightmare for two other women that day who lost husdbands. It's just a piece of white ribbon, the only thing behind it is my love for Ranger. No magic, however I do believe they protect. Now what? Edited for an addition. Ranger was in the USAF for 18 years and retired in late 1986 at my request He still flies, we both fly, an Aero Commander 520C. We both can also fly a Cessna 182 and a Cessna 210. You can google an images. *runs down the street flapping her arms* :LOL: |
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So no one found the explanation for the plane incident, but that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't any. I still strongly believe that everything is explainable. PS: Ranger and Rin, your love is inspiring!! |
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Crow Caller? A strange coincidence, neh? Anyway, a few people I know use Tarot cards to do readings. They claim that it works to at least some extent. Has anyone here ever used Tarot cards, or something similar? Because I would be really interested to know if it worked for them or not. The inspiration for today's post came from my friend, who I was IMing as I typed this up--she's watching Escaflowne. If you haven't watched it, Hitomi, one of the characters, can predict the future with Tarot cards. Also if you haven't watched it, you should :) |
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I dont know about tarot but I've found a site which tells how to use normal playing cards as tarot cards. It's quite accurate on certain questions, questions on matters that are what it is no matter what. It doesnt do well on questions where the matter concerned can happen in many different ways coz the cards can only tell one variation and not the whole. It sounds like what everyone who got bad readin would say but if you think about it it is true. Whether if you find a love of your life or not is still up to you. Even if the cards tell you that you will, but if you screwed up you cant really blame the cards and say their reading is false. My way of doing my readings is simple. I just shuffle the cards for a long time. I do the normal shuffling, then roughly split the cards into small groups into nine groups overall then i randomly place it back together. I then kinda 'call' to the spirits of the cards to tell me with honesty and truth about my question. I do it just in case. Then I would spread out the cards, closing my eyes then run my hand along the cards until a card pulls at me. I pick 3 cards doing that running over the cards thing. Then I would pull out a 4th card and puts it aside. The first card I pull would be the past card, 2nd the present, 3rd one the future. The fourth one is what i call a confirmation card which would tell me whether the reading of the 3 cards are honest and true (i mean, one shouldnt blindly trust the spirits). It works for me, the past card always works, as does the present but the future card is not always accurate. Coz like Yoda said "hard to tell the future is, always moving is the future" or something like that. |