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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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by
 
on 2011-07-23 15:02:57 |
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Duets are alright, but if you enter the contest as a duet...then if you make it to the next round, you must continue as a duet. Duets with the original singer are not what I would call a real duet entry, so, no I'm sorry, No singing with the original singer, or having the singer in the background or something in those lines. Thank you! :D |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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by alice_ainiru
on 2011-07-23 17:48:17 (edited 2011-07-23 17:51:21)
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ok thanks, pame-san and i have a question: is it ok if i can make like 2 or 3 voices in one person? example i want to sing a song that has 2 or 3 people, and i want to record their lines and mix them all up to make 1 full song? would that be ok?
RisuNiru is in the house!! Get the party started already!! RisuNiru has a Youtube account!! MY CHANNEL!!
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-07-23 20:54:07 |
Like your own harmonies or background vocals? That is acceptable (and better). 
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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| If the song was used from a previous season is it ok to re-cover it? |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-07-24 21:16:29 |
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Wow, thank you, Pame for this opportunity. I will definitely be competing this time! |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-07-27 06:41:46 |
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Like I said before, you'll know once you see "Gendou Idol" (or something related) at the top blue navigation bar. You click the link and everything from there speaks for itself, it's pretty simple, though make sure you read the rules on the first post here to avoid any mistakes. And to answer nate123's question, it should be alright to sing songs that have been sung before. I'm sure it's common in these competitions.
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-07-27 16:53:20 |
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Like DA said, the feature should be available August 1. You just have to click on the link of Gendou Idol and follow the instructions :) Rubysakura: That's great news! |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-07-31 07:08:27 |
| umm~ are choruses allowed? sung by more than 2 singers? O_O? |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-07-31 10:18:22 |
If you are using all singers throughout the whole competition then I wouldn't see why can't have more than 2 singers. The only thing is I wouldn't recommend it unless you had some good mics and good editing software otherwise the song is going to sound low quality.  
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on 2011-08-01 02:07:02 |
| oo~ thanks lots~ XB m(_ _)m~ |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-08-01 03:09:24 (edited 2011-08-01 03:12:35)
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does singing vocaloid songs make us sounds like a robot? :( producers made those songs not for vocaloids only, there are tons of covers of vocaloid songs on NND, do they all sounds like robots? omg robots are invading NND :V |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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by
 
on 2011-08-01 04:13:51 (edited 2011-08-01 04:14:23)
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I was surprised there were no vocaloids allowed this season, it was sudden (I heard your entry before you took it down. It was AWESOME <3.) I can't say I'm like, super in the know about them (I'm old and don't really understand kids these days with their transformers and their robutt twins and such) last Gendou Idol was really the first time I'd ever heard vocaloid, but since then, I've slowly but surely found that there are actually very appealing, possible songs in robutt-land. I kind of enjoy listening to how different singers put feelings into and interpret what was once before cold hard emotionless and rather creepy robutt vocals. Maybe it's just me, but I like to think of vocaloid songs as "unfinished" in their vocaloid version, and the real people, are invited to finish them and breathe life in in a manner they so choose. But I can also kind of understand the judges point of view. It's hard to judge that, since there's no real base or standard for them to go off of. Interpretation actually becomes too much of a thing and must make it a headache. Also, there are some bananas no-one-could-possibly- sing-that songs hanging around. Like It's sort of easier to ignore them all together rather than be like: DA! This song is a song, Non~ this song is bananas noise.... There are probably a lot of reasons. It's a tough subject. But anyway, I was surprised.  ✮ ✩ Check out my ✮ Muscles! ✩ ....✩ I mean, YouTube! ✮ ✩ ★ |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-08-01 04:41:05 |
| Why is the no vocaloid song rule thing only posted in the very last minute where entries actually open? Now I'm not so sure if I can record my entry before spots fill up.. (or the 3 day deadline) T_T |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-08-01 05:18:16 |
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Last time someone suggested that voting would only start after the judges pick the top 25. Will that suggestion take effect for Gendou Idol 7? |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-08-01 05:54:53 (edited 2011-08-01 06:01:21)
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I was also surprised at the no Vocaloid rule this year. Particularly, I think there is some problem with the wording used. "Only choose songs which were intended for a human vocalist to sing. This is a singing competition, not a competition to sound like a robot." Firstly, I believe that singing Vocaloid songs certainly does not equal to trying to sound like a robot. The wording is quite misleading and seems as if you're saying that all Vocaloid fandubbers' intentions are to sound like a robot. I think I speak for most of the Vocaloid fandubbers when I say that we sing Vocaloid songs because we think the songs are catchy and that we want to try experience something slightly more different than what is mainstream. Personally, I choose to dub Vocaloid songs because I don't end up trying to sound like the original "singer". As mentioned by Tokhai's post, everyone has a different interpretation of the song and that's what really makes the Vocaloid covers so appealing. I also agree that I do see Vocaloid songs as the unfinished versions that we are supposed to finish with however the singer wants to do so. I see Vocaloid covers as a way to do justice to a Vocaloid song and to put in the emotions that would not be otherwise there without a vocal synthesizer. I think if we really wanted to sound like a Vocaloid, we not only sing the song but use autotune and various other effects as well. Moreover, the wording implies that the judges do not think that these Vocaloid songs are intended for a human vocalist to sing at all. How could you be so sure about this? Why would the producers of such songs release karaoke tracks if it were not their intention for people to sing it as well? (They release it on platforms that allow people to access it for free too!) I think most producers use Vocaloid just because it would be more expensive to use a human voice. I don't think it's fair to say that just because they used a Vocaloid to sing their songs, they're automatically people who /intended/ that they be sung for /only/ Vocaloids. Vocaloid producers use Vocaloid to start out so that they don't spend so much before actually being able to break into the actual music industry. An fine example of this would be Ryo who made many of the most popular Vocaloid songs like World is Mine and Melt, and is now known for making Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari. Plus, has an anime based on his song Black Rock Shooter. I do think that some of these producers make Vocaloid songs just to put their work out there so that others can sing it and they can see different interpretations of their songs. I do understand though that it must be difficult to judge a cover based on a song sung by a Vocaloid, but I do believe that the wording used to justify your reason for banning Vocaloid songs in this competition does not make much sense. I do not only speak for myself but for other Vocaloid fandubbers I know who wanted to join this competition as well, but lost their spirit because of the No Vocaloid rule. Could you please clarify your reason for doing so? It causes a few misconceptions. However, I would also like to ask something: If this is really a singing competition, shouldn't we be paying more attention on the person's voice rather than comparing it to the voice of the original singers? I find it slightly unfair that Vocaloid is not allowed just because they're sung by Vocal synthesizers. They're just like many other songs out there. Ryo started out in Vocaloid before getting popular enough to compose for anime and his Vocaloid songs aren't that much different from the anime songs he made. Although some Vocaloid songs may be impossible to sing by human standards, the vast majority of Vocaloid songs are singable as can be seen by the number of covers you can find on Nico Nico Douga. This is why I don't quite understand the existence of this rule and why some people think it's unreasonable. This post is not meant to challenge your authority. I'm just stating some of the concerns that I've been hearing from various people after seeing the Vocaloid rule. Many of the people I know lost interest in joining because of this rule. I think we'd just like some clarification on the matter. I hope it doesn't get taken the wrong way. ^_^ EDIT: I must agree with Nami as well. I spent time preparing my entry for Gendou Idol only to have it turned down because of the rule. I worked extra hard on it too. D: |
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by BeeWhyOhBee
on 2011-08-01 08:18:14
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Well, the bottomline is no "vocal fixing" and not about autotune. Most (but not all) vocaloid dubbers are notorius on fixing their voices to make them sound good and some of them are heavy on effects. Have you heard some of the Nico singers who sound bad in live but great on recordings? Well, there's a trick. Using Melodyne Software and some other programs to edit their voices fixing their notes, pitch, their annotations and their timing (Yes, Melodyne can do that, you can search it over the net). So I think that's bad in this competition. I'm not against any vocaloid dubbers out there because I myself is a vocaloid dubber. (I just exposed some secrets so it would be fair to others) Maybe its ok to permit vocaloid entries, but it would be a gamble. Hmmm... I see some familiar faces from YouTubeChorus. |
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I wasn't going to join in this hooha but just addressing BeeWhyOhBee's comment: It is just as easy to melodyne a non-Vocaloid cover, especially the way you put it. Just because someone is singing a Vocaloid song doesn't automatically mean it is a) autotuned b) pitch-corrected. In the first place if this was a live recording contest then the bottom-line would be a one-shot recording, no? But instead it's allowed that people can sing the song in parts and mix it together. The real bottom-line is that Gendou seems to have decided that everyone who sings Vocaloid is trying to be a robot. P.S. If anything Jpop these days are more prone to auto-tune than the average Vocaloid song. JUST SAYIN' 8DDD. I'm all for no-vocaloid-just-because-we-said-so but I'm afraid by Gendou putting it the way they have, it's insulted a lot of people and there are plenty of butthurt people around lmao. It'd have just been easier for you guys to say "No Vocaloid because we don't really know it and hate Vocaloid music so deal with it" :'D |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-08-01 08:30:19 (edited 2011-08-01 08:36:35)
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| @BeeWhyOhBee indeed i sometimes also feel it is hard to judge with those who do use melodyne since it really does fix a lot of stuff, but things like that are really hard to control. Though some people on youtube do melodyne, its not only limited to YTC people who sing vocaloid. It just happens that you hear about it more often amongst that community; It doesnt necessarily mean that only vocaloid singers use it. I personally dont even know how melodyne works or anything (I only have a vague idea) so I cant really say anything, but since this is a contest based on individual skill, I feel that contestants should respect this and try to either refrain or limit from melodyne-ing so much. If they do melodyne their voices up, it was their choice and nobody can honestly do anything about it, plus this competition DOES allow recordings and mixing and melodyne is considered MIXING. Anyways dont just accuse vocaloid singers who do melodyne. Anime dubbers, and probably even pros do vocal editing like that. |
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Re: GENDOU IDOL Season 6
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on 2011-08-01 10:05:09 (edited 2011-08-01 12:53:11)
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The following Gendou Idol Rules have changed:No auto-tune or pitch correctionIn order to judge signing ability, neither auto-tuning nor any other form of digital pitch correction (such as Melodyne) is permitted.No Vocaloid songsDo not sing any song written for a computer voice synthesizer. |
