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Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 07:01:23 (edited 2009-12-27 05:49:51)

Hi. Sorry If I Ever Had Disturbed Your State Of Mind For The Matter. I am truly sorry if I have ever provoked such angry or disgusted responses in the first place. I was just wondering whether you guys would sit down, recline & chat with me about this very or not very disturbing topic. Firstly, I WANT EVERYONE TO BE AT THEIR MOST POSSIBLE "OPEN-MINDED" STATE OF MIND IN ORDER TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS QUESTION. With that settled let's continue. As I am typing this right now, I am typing with the hope that everyone has the ability to come around the day making their own philosophies and their own beliefs about this highly sensitive subject. I am eagerly waiting for you replies. Let's Begin. This topic has been bugging me since the 3rd month of this year. It all started when I stumbled upon "GENETIC SEXUAL ATTRACTION" and the MANGA SERIES, "KOI KAZE". To those that are familiar with the story, I bet you know what I'm talking about. In any case. Ever since I was growing up, I had little understanding of how the world works and it's taboos. It only came to me full circle of the topic of incest when I was only 13. Even then I didn't really grasped the idea. This is due to the fact that I'm an only child. And so, the year went on. Along came 2009. I was highly intrigued on "SIBLING RELATIONSHIPS" only starting this year when I finally realized the difference of an "ONLY CHILD" & a "SIBLING CHILD". In any case, I discovered that the topic of siblings falling in love is a highly taboo thing. And because of it, no one really wanted to talk much about the subject. So, I did my research. It turns out, siblings can also have their very own chances of falling in love. Reason: This is due to the inavailability of Westermarck effect from childhood. Though that's not always the case. Certain events in both sibling's lives can also increase chances of them being "romantically aroused" by one another. Then, I discovered the "Reality" of the word "Incest". It actually means, sexual intercourse between two relatives who share a large amount of genes and that they are related by blood. (Excluding cousins due to the vast differences between cultures, societies and religions.) It also drew me to further conduct research on the term: "SEXUAL ATTRACTION". From what I've collected, analysed and interpreted, it basically means arousal due to bodily features irrespective of whatever our ties that we share with the person. This arousal may also incorporate personality-based features. Therefore, here's my own perception of it. Please look into it's reply. I'll be posting a part-based philosophy due to length.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 07:25:58

Well, if you only asked if it possible or not for them to falling in love, I would say yes, it's possible... but if you are talking about is it possible or not in the case of it's taboo or not and healthy or not, I can't answer you.. but some religions (well, some people won't be acknowledge them as religions though) and some cultures actually did recognize marriage between siblings and cousins... but I don't really understand those, so you have to find someone w/ better knowledge about those... for cousins, in the sociology you'll find there are two kind of them, cross cousins and parallel cousins... it's will be long to type so you ave to find out about it by yourself

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 07:37:19 (edited 2009-12-27 06:00:52)

Alrighty then. Here it is. I've drawn my own conclusion. First I'll discuss about sibling love. Ever since the first human was created. Man had always had siblings. Though not all have them ;( We were always taught and encouraged to love them, cherish them, take care of them, show love to them, play with them, give them company, provide protection and as a place to belong with if they were orphans or due to being in a friendless state or due to other circumstances. However, reality's different. Not all sibling relationships are a pleasant yet loving one. Many different cultures and societies have their own perception on siblings. Therefore I do not know their expectations and their personal beliefs. However there is one general consensus, the reason why siblings are (from a moral standpoint) not supposed to be in love with each other is mainly due to religious and/or societal backgrounds. There are exceptions, the ancient peoples, mostly from the Mediterranean and from the early Persian days, had certain differences. Mostly ones concerning sibling marriage. Some of their Gods and Goddesses are portrayed as siblings that are in love with each other, married or even had children. Weird isn't it? (AND, what I meant by weird is, is that the divine and celestial beings in the ancient days had a multitude of different stories that we can actually ponder on about for sometime in to thinking whether their stories are plain made-belief or are actual facts based on what they think........) Next, onto part two.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 17:26:31

Of course brothers and sisters can fall in love, and I'm not bothered by it. It's their life, their love, who are we to interfere let alone judge. Plus I love seeing that sort of relationship in anime, so who cares. :P -------

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 19:12:47

AHA!!!! Thank you for your insights, interesting! I'd like to hear more from many others too! BTW, I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I just wanted to know what everyone thinks! OK now, Part 2. Furthermore, this time from a sociological standpoint. Ever since the phenomenon known as GENETIC SEXUAL ATTRACTION first came to light probably 2 decades ago, (I might get this wrong), people started to realize that it was possible for siblings to fall in love. And, perhaps anyone within the family. (EXCLUDING YOUR COUSINS, THAT'S DIFFERENT.) It's basically when (referring to "GSA") two people which are AT LEAST partially related by blood (Half-siblings) that were separated from birth, would then meet with each other later in life. (It doesn't necessarily have to be in person though) Reasons why, include: 1: You haven't seen them in such a long time or you don't even know about them which probably tricks your brain into making one or both feel differently. 2: Lack of Oxytocin, Therefore, you want to spend even more time with them. Example, a child was separated from the mother from birth, the mother suddenly has the urge to suckle. 3: No Westermarck effect. (You can go to Wikipedia about this.) 4: There's also unorthodox reasons. For example, their parents were never around so much, one or both parents kept abusing one or both siblings, strict parenting, naive thinking, there is Westermarck effect in them but sexual attraction is still high. (Westermarck effect is there to simply reduce the probability of very high sexual attraction, that's all) or, having never been communicating for so long, they suddenly had the urge to know each other better. Another one, there's also the possibility that it might just all be INCESTUOUS thoughts. (You can never know) 5: Or you could say that you're very interested in them. A really crazy reason that one would fall for their sibling/s is that; "IT'S JUST FUN or IT'S JUST FOR FUN" The most cruel way is that, you immerse yourself in the feeling and then you say or show to them (BLA BLA BLA) but you're just doing that to observe their reactions. Well, basically the basis for the relationship is just simply heightened sexual attraction between them. Always remember that sexual attraction can also include other elements such as, personality, great times together, "fearful situations" (Ask me about it later, I can't double post you know......) or just downright normal sexual thoughts or the "BAD" ones. Later in post part. 3, I shall share what I have to say about this particular topic. (I mean, not the possibilities and all, I'm just going to type out what I have to say whether it's OK or NOT OK) Later then!!!!!!! Jaa Naa!!!　じゃあ！！なあ！！

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 20:15:49

hmmm... I will go to find out about those westermarck effect... oh yeah, I just read that our feelings are controlled by a part of our brain called amygdala, it's a part of our brains that not changes since even before the mammals had not appeared in the world.. when the time of dinosaur... well, when they evolve to mammals and into humans it's not change at all.. you should have figured it out that this thing can't make difference between love to your family and love to another people. that's why, actually a love is a love, no matter who we are talking about, even if it a siblings it makes no difference.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-24 22:51:18

Thanks!!!!!! I actually know about the amygdala just that, I didn't know that it hasn't even had an evolution! I only thought that it was a part of your brain that matures when you age and that it mostly deals with the processing of emotions! Well, thanks for your opinion!!!!

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-25 02:58:52

They say love is unexpected, so yeah-- anything is possible. Lately I heard that a girl married a stone wall because of its history... Alright, back to topic. Generally, sibling in love is unlikely. There is this Westermarck effect which stops a pair of siblings to fell in love at each other. There is, however, rare cases of GSA which annuls the effect of Westermarck. The probability will rise if siblings brought up apart, and then reunited when they have grown up. Looks like you have pointed that yourself though. If you are the type of person who don't believe in Darwin's evolution theory. The children of Adam and Eve committed incest to their siblings. As time passes, it became taboo to some communities. Since the question here is "possible or no", then the answer is "possible", since there is a lot of cases like these already.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-25 08:49:03 (edited 2009-12-27 06:08:42)

WOW awesome!!!!!!!!! You really got the spot dude!!! And about that stone wall, WTF???????? Marriage to a WALL? You've gotta be kiddin' me!!! Back to topic, I mean, their children had to commit it, I mean they're the only humans around dude!!! You can't expect them to do some other wacky stuff. Furthermore, your thoughts are VERY sharp. Interesting. Now then, the FINAL PART. As I have stated, IT IS POSSIBLE. Now then, the question is, DO YOU ACCEPT IT? DO YOU? OR, DO YOU NOT? Well, here's my opinion. Personally, when it DOES HAPPEN, all sorts of reactions occur within the body. (That you already know) And the best thing is, there're many takes towards the subject. 1: You can experience it and enjoy a VERY GREAT life with said sibling and the both or one of you manage to convert that "Romantic love" to an even greater form of sibling love! 2: You can feel it and love every second of it. But, either you or your sibling or the both of you might not feel comfortable and you may decide that, it will always remain a valuable and refreshing experience. At least you'd experience something most siblings can never ever have! 3: You, your sibling or the both of you eventually become corrupted and suddenly felt the craving for an INCESTUOUS relationship! This is not recommended given the trouble, the genetics, the reality of your children finding out, the shock and awe, the supposed "breaking-up" that occurs between you and your sibling could cause you unprecedented PAIN & yada,yada,yada....... Anything can happen.............. Definitely not recommended. (IT COULD MAKE A GOOD STORY THOUGH. MINUS THE "SEX" PART. Also, used quite a lot in both anime and in manga story-lines.) 4: OR, you, your sibling or the both of you decide to become NEVER-ENDING LOVERS! Perhaps elope at a certain place and never meet civilization for good! 5: Your religious or moral conscience takes over and you say that 'Yes it's a grand thing to feel really, but to LUST for your sibling, AND I MEAN "LUST", there's a great reason really on why that "LUST" should never happen. Perhaps we (GOD, if you're religious or even believe in GOD) somehow knew that some crazy stuff could happen. Especially from the genetic standpoint, emotional standpoint, psychological standpoint, social standpoint and ultimately THE WAY YOUR BRAIN WORKS!' 6: You'll make this a sacred thing that only you can feel. (And probably never tell your sibling) Basically, you keep it to yourself and that feeling might even revitalize you! 7: Either all of it is just based on plain "STANDARD SEXUAL ATTRACTION", "IN YOUR DREAMS" or they're just "LUSTFUL, INCESTUOUS THOUGHTS" or, "LUSTFUL, ROMANTIC SEXUAL THOUGHTS". There's a difference between all of em'! Finally, based on those given outcomes that I could possibly think and type, here's my say: I CHOOSE NUMBER "1". And yes, to put it simply, it's kinda OK with me. Only if it's becoming the old "INCEST PROBLEM" will then I would've hacked em' to pieces. (Nah, not that far, possibly only tell em' to get away from me.) And my kinda OK is, is that, it's REALLY NICE (No I'm serious man!) that you have the capacity to feel that way for your sibling, just that Love can make your brain confused and therefore ending you with few rational options. (The reason why I say that it's REALLY NICE is because I'm the "Romantic" kinda dude who feels the same way on art, nature, beauty, music, knowledge and religion.) Final verdict, if the idea doesn't make you feel disturbed or sick, then you might experience such a thing sometime in life. Just be prepared and don't get freaked out! SEXUAL ATTRACTION IS NORMAL. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE AND THAT YOU CAN GET ATTRACTED TO ANYONE IRRESPECTIVE OF RELATIONS! My final wishes are that, I'd really hope to see more people to come join in this philosophical debate so that we can ALL have and share our views on this very EASILY CONFUSED matter! Till' later, ジャ！！！　マタナアア！！！

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-25 12:30:12

Honestly, when you hear about this, it is happens... You'll never know who you'll in love it, even with your own siblings.... Although many religions (I think) are think that love between siblings is a taboo and a sinister act, who did cared about that? Step aside about that, no one can know how it's gonna happen... For me, this thing is something that society shouldn't be too think negatively. When the time comes, it's either you want it or not, accept it or not... That's all from me... p.s : good point, you've must totally did some research of it. if you have anu I.M (such as Skype, MSN, etc.), PM me, i want to know more about this, personally...

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by Tsu on 2009-12-25 14:09:10

Okay first off, what a very nice thread! Great job on your research and stuff, awesome. I'm currently reading Koi Kaze, I wanted to see how the plot goes. Your question: DO YOU ACCEPT IT? DO YOU? OR, DO YOU NOT? My answer: I respect and accept the deeper love that two siblings share with one another. And yes, it is nice to see that these certain people have the capacity to feel that way for their 'better half'. I'm completely okay with it! I like how they have the courage to be different, and that they take the risk to fall in love even if they know it's kind of forbidden. (xD) Although, what do you really mean by 'Do you accept?' Do you mean something like, 'Would you accept it if two siblings fall in love with each other and eventually get married?' If that's what you mean, then I don't really know what to answer. If it's mere falling in love stuff, then it's okay, but when I think about them getting married and settling some place, I get kind of confused. I don't know if I should think it's kind of disgusting seeing them make a baby, and stuff. (Wouldn't the baby turn out genetically 'wrong'? Aren't there cases like that, when relatives make a baby, the chances of making a 'fault-ish' (no pun intended) baby is higher?) What do you think...?

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-25 23:25:30

The question is: "DO YOU ACCEPT IT? DO YOU? OR, DO YOU NOT?" There is a lot of factor going on here, because the fact that sibling in love does happen, it does NOT mean to accept it as what it is. Because morals who were created amongst human have labeled it as something "wrong". As far as I can tell, my grandfather told me that incest is not illegal in Russia. However the Russian Family Code does not acknowledge marriage between siblings. The medical authorities will not recommend it either. ... known countries that allows sibling marriage (or does not prohibit it) are Brazil, Portugal, Belgium, and of course, Russia. Jurisdiction in other popular countries rather obviously stated that the state will not acknowledge any sibling marriage- therefore they do not acknowledge sibling love. (Hey, the love concept itself is wide, but you know what kind of love I'm pointing here) Let us take a look of what two most common religions said about this, In Christianity, Levicitus 7-11: You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son’s daughter or of your daughter’s daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, brought up in your father’s family, since she is your sister. In Islam, An-Nisa 23: Prohibited to you are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers, foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;- Then, let us cross out the countries that has interpreted religious regulations above, which means: Middle East Countries West European Countries Central Asian Countries North and West African Countries South African Countries Indonesian Archipelago and Malay Peninsula North American Countries Half of South American Countries British Dominions You can consider the countries listed above are hostile toward that kind of love. In the other hand, pan-communism countries tends to allow it. So does religious factor affect it? The answer is yes. They played a lot of factor here. But then again, religious rules apply only to their believers. Which means, they who are irreligious will not abide to these rules. To believe or to follow a religion is a choice itself. Those who declared that they follow a religion that states that this kind of love is unacceptable must abide to the rules. Those who are not, are free from this rules. Then it returns to the legal factor. So if you ask me, since I am a believer- I can't accept it. Though I must say that I don't hate it. Love is a stupid thing anyway, they really are random and sometimes one can't really resist the temptations. Live and let live, I may can't justify sibling love as something right, but life is a choice for every person. Therefore I do not condemn it, for those who made that as a choice.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by Tsu on 2009-12-26 00:09:38

I have a few questions... So you mean people that are born in communities that disallow incest love aren't allowed to love their brother/sister in that certain special way? What if they love each other and the environment they live in does not let them love each other that way? Does that mean that they cannot do anything about it? What about the people who still believe in their respective gods and goddesses, and people who live a good life, fall in love with their sibling? Is it unfair for them? Does this mean that they should just change their religion just for them to live a happy life together? And does it mean that people who are born in communities that allow incest love are just freakin' lucky? Err, the questions are a bit confusing, yes... But someone please enlighten me? Good day to you! （　´∀｀）ノ＿彡☆バンバン！!!

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-26 00:45:53

So you mean people that are born in communities that disallow incest love aren't allowed to love their brother/sister in that certain special way? A community has its own rules, and one who belongs to a community must abide to their rules. That is why for those who break the rules the community made from themselves, the punishment is "banishment", banishment doesn't always mean evictions, it could also be alienation or anything else that excludes one from a community. What if they love each other and the environment they live in does not let them love each other that way? See the answer above. Does that mean that they cannot do anything about it? There is an option: move to other communities which allow and accept it, or a community that simply doesn't care about it. Or they can live their life alienated, even if they are/were trying to hide it. Because the word "secret" does not belong to the public, there is this horrible power of "mouth-to-mouth" news. What about the people who still believe in their respective gods and goddesses, and people who live a good life, fall in love with their sibling? As long as their God that they have chosen for themselves does not forbid it, it will suit them just fine. But as you can see, for Abrahamic religions (and the largest ones) such as Christianity and Islam, it IS forbidden for those who declare that they believe in that religion must play by its rules. Is it unfair for them? Does this mean that they should just change their religion just for them to live a happy life together? Unfair and fair are relative and have no definite explanations, as for my view, to be fair does not mean to be equal, to be fair is to decide/put things in the place they should be, therefore it cannot simply said that it is unfair for them. You know the rules, if you believe, there are rules that you must obey. Whether to leave their religion or not, it will also a choice for them. But they certainly will have to expect a divine punishment for breaking the rules they should have obeyed in the first place. And does it mean that people who are born in communities that allow incest love are just freakin' lucky? If you feel it that way, then perhaps they are lucky. People's perspective are different. I hope those answers can enlighten you a bit.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-26 04:32:42

Hey guys............ I thank you for your nice thoughts and understanding opinions though there is one thing that I'm personally confused. SERIOUSLY, what kind of "LOVE" are you guys referring to? I find that you guys seem to be focused on the "INCESTUOUS, LUSTFUL LOVE" or perhaps I maybe wrong. Am I right? I have no idea. Seriously, are you guys trying to implicate that the "siblings" that you're referring to actually have engaged in "INCEST" in the first place or are they just thinking about their other sibling in the "wrong" way? Such as, you know. Well, as I've said. Just don't get the wrong idea though. Anyway, feel free to ask everyone on this. Their views maybe different, but they provide a lot of intellectual perspectives. Just don't get the wrong idea please. That would make even yourselves more confused. BTW, if you still don't get it, here's a recap on the differences. 1: "LUST": The desire of carnal pleasure. A human's lust derives from the need to have sexual intercourse. The main hormone that triggers this is Testosterone. This particular hormone is the same sexual hormone in both men and women. (Estrogen's different, in that it is the primary female sex hormone that usually promotes the development of secondary sex characteristics) Always remember that you only feel the temptation to act out sexually only when you're in a situation where you HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ACTION 1 & ACTION 2. Otherwise, normal levels of lust is what drives human beings to seek partners for the purpose of reproduction. LUST becomes a MAJOR SIN only when you have become HIGH on the effects that sexual intercourse provides you with. The brain releases EXTREMELY POWERFUL neuro-chemicals when engaging in sexual intercourse. When ORGASM is reached, that dose becomes a TIDAL WAVE. (Literally, a tidal wave) Which means that, you will become relaxed, feel "FUN", you feel the EMOTION "LOVE", you feel attached and emotionally connected and many other things. That's why LUST is forbidden due to the effects that GOD had created for us to literally BOND to other human beings. This principle applies to the other lecherous things too. Such as pornography and masturbation. The main reason why you don't feel certain things when you view pornography or masturbate is because of it's nature. You see, when you view porn or masturbate. you brain and body doesn't have anyone to bond to. Instead, you're BONDED to the FANTASY PRESENT WITHIN YOUR HEAD OR THE PORN MATERIAL. YES THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, if for example. You're an only child, you crave an opposite-sexed sibling, you hate incest, but, you're drawn to it because of the freakish fantasies that you've probably viewed or created. Basically, the sibling has become your very own sexual fetish item! Therefore, THAT'S WHY "LUST" IS ON THE LIST OF SEVEN DEADLY SINS PEOPLE! Oh yeah, one more thing, this "LUST" can also be seen as a very potent drug. Reason why, is because that you're literally using this to cure your blues or boredom or some other thing. The neuro-chemical's help on this process is the same way a substance that you're addicted to would work in providing immediate relief to your psyche for you. Basically, the "LUST" is the way for you to develop a "Dependency" on it. In other words, you can become a SEX ADDICT just because of your brain! 2: "LOVE": (Personally, as I type this, I don't have much to say though. Sorry!) BUT, I'll try and share with you some things that I do know. (You see, I don't really feel or understand it. I rarely feel love for other human beings very much. Possibly due to my depression X( ) Love is complicated. There are many types of love. 1; Romantic love 2; Familial love 3: Platonic love 4: Love of objects 5: Religious love 6: Love of the senses 7: Love for actions This emotion is the subject of A MAJOR AMOUNT OF RESEARCH! If I were to read as much about this on WIKIPEDIA, it would take me hours or even days just to read and then analyse! In any case, I'll reduce that burden by a little bit so that if you're interested on more, take out your writing implements and notebook or Word Processor and start reading, analyzing and taking down notes on it from Wikipedia. OK, so here's the little understanding of what I know about it: Love as we all know is an emotion that is very pleasant and that it makes you feel cozy and fluffy in a way that is too relaxing and soothing. It's the emotion that we feel for everything. The effects of love are just simply endless. Philosophers, psychologists, average human beings, religious leaders, political leaders, family members, lovers, children and parents all have so many different definitions that it's hard to get a fix. Well, that's all I know, this just simply drives me to find out more on LOVE itself! I'm truly sorry if I have ever felt inadequate or freakish too you people though. Because, I think that I might slightly intimidate or scare you in my reply question in this one. I'm also SUPER SUPER VERY SORRY if I didn't provide you with enough details regarding "LOVE" though. I'm just not knowledgeable enough on it. But, I'll perform even more research into it just too help enlighten and guide people to this very hard aspect of life to understand.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-26 04:58:17

Let me sum this in some short sentences, As I wrote on the post earlier, as you have pointed, love itself is a broad concept. Generally almost all siblings love each other. It's because the bond called as "Family", it is rather a thing that doesn't really spoken up for, because that is the case for most siblings who grown up together. The context when your brother/sister said "I love you" sounds similar to how your mother/father says it, yet the context will be different when its your classmate/work companion who said this. What I have been digging is the lustful love in your first point. As we are somewhat discussing the taboos of it, when we look back to the first post in the thread.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-26 09:38:49

omg this is a epic and yet serious O_O topic! I...I don't know what to say right now but I will ask be honest of what I'm going to say later on.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-28 01:52:27 (edited 2009-12-28 01:54:40)

Oh really? Really? Is that so? Hmmmmmmm..... Sorry, I accidentally didn't login to post my reply...... HEHEHh.... LULZ..... BTW, you say that you wish that, the same thing would happen to between you and your brother right? Hmmm..... Why? Did he treat YOU very badly???? If so, then, my deepest condolences. Hmmm.... BTW, you say that they're twins right? Some people say that these kinds of things usually happen between opposite-sexed twins. Twins or the multiple-birth children are usually drawn together in a very hard to understand way. Basically, you'd have to be a twin or a triplet of some sort to understand. Well, considering that they're twins, the probability of attraction just might increase but, I have no idea. You see, even though they might seem like that, but there's probably a VERY GOOD REASON for it. (And, I mean by "VERY GOOD REASON" is that the reason is not just made-up garbage.) You'll never know though. If you do know anything about their past or something, then perhaps you might be able to understand why. You know, those two would make really great subjects for this. BUT, REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE OTHER HUMAN BEINGS HERE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. (Perhaps "USE" is not a good word. In this context, we'd probably use another term such as, "asking them to participate in our debate and tell us their story" or something.) Finally, I'd like to wish the best of luck to you in becoming better siblings. You know, when siblings fight or quarrel or argue, the feeling of arguing is exactly the same as a HUSBAND OR WIFE would encounter or basically how'd you'd fight with your FRIENDS or LOVER (if you have one that is). It's a really unique experience. AND, one last thing................. NEVER GET INVOLVED IN LUSTFUL INCEST. If they perpetrate you, just run away from the house. If your brother is forcing you to it, JUST RUN. If your sister is forcing you, subdue her. If you (irregardless of your sex) know some form of martial-arts, SUBDUE them, then tie them up, make sure they're unconscious. THEN, interrogate them on why they do it. If it's because they're disheartened with you, then talk with them, make them feel like they're a part of you again.

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-29 18:29:36

interesting topic... let me first say that i have NOT read every post, i skipped some after Tsu's last post :P just a sidenote about the Westermarck effect, it's probablly the reason why most people can't fall in love, or imagine themselves dating their best friend, someone they've been around most of their lives. about what you (kuhraziemike) said about adam and eve; i am Christian and all but i don't buy that story, it's pure rubish. we all know for certain that if a brother and sister have kids, they will be born with some kind of defect, and that is a fact. there are rare cases when the kids are born healthy but as said, it's rare. also, adam and eve had 3 SONS! Cain, Abel and Seth, so how did they "populate" the world? by having children with their mother eve?? for me, the bible and all the rules in religions that Steghard mentioned rubbish, they were all created by humans, they were written in the old times, with diferent circumstances then those we all live in today, also it is written in an old language, that was once again translated by humans after hundereds of years. it's humanly to make mistakes so... everything that's written in the bible, the quran etc. is mostly wrong. also look at the story about Nora's Arc... was every animal in a walking distance from his house?? the world is a small place, there's no way he could have put every animal pair on his ship. anyways back to the topic xD does this kind of love happen? YES. can i accept it? YES, it's their choice, their life, so they can do whatever they want. even if they get married, have kids and the kids are not healthy i would NOT avoid them, they can't hurt other people by ex. not being able to walk normally, it's not the childs fault it was born that way. it isn't contaigous, but most people tend to act that way, being discussed by them. i find it sad and to tell you the truth it pisses me off a bit xD now, your last post threw me off a bit xD how old r you btw? i think you got a bit too much into incest only things xD what the person before you wanted to say is that she wishes to have a tight bond as siblings as the twins obviouslly do. no need for such toughts man xD i also know a few twins, just because they look at each other in a diferent matter than you would with your brother is simply because they share more with eachother, they are like two pieces of the same, they are just more connected, that's all. they are more emotional towards eachother than usual siblings, it's all perfectlly understandable^^

Re: Siblings in love with one another? Possible or no? Link | by on 2009-12-29 23:19:09

WHOAH dude!!!! NO religious attacks here man!!!! But yeah, I guess you're right though, I AM kinda into this "INCEST" thing..... Sometimes, it even scares me to bed. Trust me, you don't wanna know. BTW, yeah, I know. It even happens to best friends. Sorry though. I just get kinda freaked out with all the FREAKING INCEST that's been happening around in the world lately. Yeah................... It's saddening isn't it? Seeing people saying stuff bout' the child or children. It ain't their fault. But, the chances are actually slim to begin with. Only when they keep breeding within themselves, will then stuff happens. Furthermore, most of em' aren't really physical, it's mostly mental DAMAGE. One more thing, is there any reason why you'd like to know my age? Cuz' I sense a VERY bad aura............ Oh well, in any case, my age is 14.

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