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Stuff they don't teach you in Japanese class?
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From anime I've learned phrases like "dai suki," (is that right?) "Mina, henshin yo!" and "Bakuros" (is that right?) You can tell from my parantheses that I'm not confident with how to use these. But I don't think things like that are ever going to come up in the Japanese class I started taking. Things having to do with romance, sex, magic, and violence. What other things won't they teach you? I don't want to worry about it now, it's a bit pointless to worry about how to describe a pokemon battle when I'm still learning to tell the time, but for further down the line, what won't Japanese class teach you? Where do you turn instead? |
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on 2009-03-05 07:53:03 (edited 2009-03-08 10:18:40)
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Well, i'm not learning japanese- but comparing anime to a normal japanese drama-swear words, informal phrases (japanese are very formal!), uh yh, you probably won't learn phrases like a casting magic spell and probably not how to describe a Pokemon battle XDDD lmao! and how to to talk to your friends in a friendly way e.g. "Yo! r'member what happn'd last night XDDD lol- ahhh, she's gonna get wasted again !" Don't worry watch enough anime and learn enough japanese and you'll be able to piece it together ( i hope )!   |
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Lol! Maybe it's why they use English words to cast spells in anime... I wonder if they have those types of words. I think I'll be able to reach some level that way, but where do normal Japanese people learn their courtship lines? It's interesting. |
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on 2009-03-07 04:57:17 |
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courtship ? What be's that ? Yh, i think they do have words for it, but which anime are you referring to ? |
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| Courtship is dating and romance. Courting someone. |
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on 2009-03-08 10:18:20 |
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oh ! (blushes) You'll definitely get that in some japanese drama, i don't think your japanese teacher will teach you how to date, unless they're a perv lol! |
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on 2009-03-10 05:33:27 |
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You can't expect much from Japanese class since you only get a grammatically sentences and a proper language that you can use as a foreigner. If you ask what I got from watching anime or J-drama and read manga it's obviously too much to mentioned but one thing for sure you still can learn Japanese from it though you must do some research or ask an experienced Japanese teacher if the language is proper or not to be said to Japanese people. 
For the one who already did their best at anything. |
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by mewarmo990
on 2009-03-17 00:21:09
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Well, you have to start somewhere, and a class is a good place as any. I'm going to assume that you are an English-only speaker with no other East Asian language background, so you won't really learn enough to be able to function in a normal conversation until at least 3 or 4 years, though. Your Japanese class should teach you some general aspects of Japanese culture, but really the best way to learn about it is to talk to actual Japanese people. J-dramas with actual actors can help but only to a point, since they are TV shows, after all. You can forget anime and manga since everything is exagerrated. Japanese classes generally start by teaching you a neutral, semi-polite form of speech, since that would be the most useful for foreigners speaking to Japanese for the first time. Japanese words depend highly on conjugation (a concept foreign to English, but important in Spanish if you know any), which can change meaning and formality. About your "phrases": "Daisuki" means to "like very much" or "love". When someone has feelings for someone else "suki" will generally do. Anything after that just strengthens the notion. The Japanese language is very vague, so a lot of phrases change their meaning depending on the context. Very important. Remember that. "Mina, henshin yo".... I'm not sure what you're referring to. Kamen Rider? Anyway, "minna" is "everybody", and I guess "henshin" would be to transform, if you're referring to Kamen Rider. No idea what your "bakuros" is. I think the only point that would ever come up in class is the first one.
Maka here is an wonderful example of why it's a bad idea to home school your children.
Maybe also a good example of why inbreeding is a bad idea, although the paternity test has not been done to say for sure.
-Gendou
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on 2009-06-20 01:05:45 (edited 2009-06-20 07:28:55)
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ã¯ã¯ã¯ my japanese teachers do teaches us some swearwords sometimes and write the kanji too but after they've discussed it they would ask us to forget what they've taught us.. lol...very funny teachers! but..i think they just wanted us not to be fooled someday by those words.. ^^ pretty kewl teachers.. even though my japanese teachers have lots of manga in their faculty room.. they're not using "henshin yo" you know..that would be awkward.. they teach us keigo so... yeah... we're not allowed to speak informally unless depends on some basis (like they're teaching us the -ru forms of the verb, i.e. taberu, neru and/or abiru..etc)... japanese are sexist so we find to speak something that suit our gender and level (if you're a woman, then use language which the women commonly use) vice versa.. and the superiority language too... i.e teachers-student relationships. The students must bow to their senseis and never talk them back without honorifics/keigo/formalities or else... tsk tsk tsk.. 
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Foul languages. ..Perhaps.     |
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At mewarmo990: Oops, the word was bokkorosu, I think. (Intended meaning was I'll kill you, perhaps its closer to beat to death) Also, it was Sailor Moon not Kamen Rider, but the idea is probably the same. Notably I've graduated my first semster of Japanese class with an A since writing the opening, so my understanding has changed quite a bit. I think Naruto has been teaching me to speak rudely since I've been watching it more obsessively. Let's see if I got this right. Replacing "desu" with "da" makes a statement more assertive, and adding "yo" makes it a command, right? What's the different between ending a sentence with "yo" and using both, "da yo?" And what's the difference between "nan desu ka" and "nan da ka" ? |
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Uhh, well, I'm not exactly fluent, in my ears the difference sounds a lot like... uh, hard to explain, I'll just write a sentence using a fictional 'Bob' character speaking to show the difference. "Any problems?" Bob asked politely as he saw his colleague fumbling with some files. "Problem?" Bob asked, a little annoyed as a colleague was blocking the doorway fumbling with some files. "What are you doing?" Bob asked incensed. He was NOT going to be late because some retard who couldn't handle a damn stack of files was blocking the doorway. This is what the difference between the three sounds to me. Please correct is I'm wrong, those of you who are actually speakers. |
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by giiraaffee
on 2011-12-13 00:06:01 (edited 2011-12-13 00:06:47)
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I think it depends on the Japanese class you are taking, as the teachers may teach you a wider range of things such as the language, culture, festivals, history, show you some real things that they have from Japan, explain what life was like when they were in Japan, etc, or maybe teach you a narrower range of things. However, I think some things you wouldn't learn either way is foul language and insults. |
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>>Nekorin: I think you mean "bukkorosu," aka ã¶ã£æ®ºã™, bu(small tsu) adding strength and intensity to the korosu, to kill. Sums up to "I'm gonna f**king rip your head off." Replacing desu with da makes the sentence more informal. Desu=for people you don't know that well, people above you (bosses, teachers, people older than you) Da= for family, friends, peers, and people below you (younger than you, towards children, etc.) The assertive level is the same. Yo adds an "I'm telling you information you don't know" feeling and also that assertiveness you were picking up on before. Example 1. 　　Student: A-sensei wa irasshaimasu ka? (Is A-sensei here?) B Sensei: Kyoushitsu ni imasu yo. (She's in the classroom. Here the teacher knows something the student doesn't, so he uses yo.) Example 2. Friend A: Are??? Kyou mokuyoubi da yo ne?? (Wait a sec, today's Thursday right?!?! Here you can also stick with just da+ne, but the yo gives it an extra oomph... this one's kind of hard to explain) Friend B: Sou da yo. (Yeah, that's right. Here the friend is confirming information that Friend A apparently didn't know) Examples like 2 are the hardest to learn to use naturally so you really have to listen to how it's used. I think Ancalyme got it right, the problem is as you learn the language you realize there are so many ways to use it that don't fit into these basic patterns. >_< As for "nan desu ka" and "nan da ka", "nan desu ka" means "What is it? (Politely)" Putting this into casual form doesn't result in "nan da ka," but "nani?" or "nan na no?" depending on the situation/speaker. "Nandaka" means "somewhat, somehow, a little bit" as in "nandaka wakattekita (I kind of understand now)". Hope that is kind of helpful... Stuff they don't teach you in Japanese class: anytime you forget a Japanese word, BS it in katakana and it's probably a loan word. There you're done learning vocabulary forever :[ |
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on 2012-06-14 07:35:27 |
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Execemundo people, execemundo. Well... Things I definitely learned through things OUTSIDE the class... (Actually never took a Japanese class so yeah. TeeHee. XD XP) Swear words. Etto, sou deshu ne. Tatoeba ne: Itakunai. (Dun want to say. Too 'Harsh') Slang 'LATEST' words Dialect (Oooh, yess.. My Jap fwens all hail from Osaka. And I consider Osaka to be my 'furusato' (Place where I hail from)) Words specific to very certain occupations Weird words Unusual grammatical rules. And no, the Japs aren't THAT uptight and stiff. In fact, there's many, many levels of speech. The ULTRA-POLITE must be used when speaking to the Emperor. That is inexcusable. Must use or else. Perhaps with Emperor's family members and so on, not sure. Politicians, ooh yes, ooh yes. Military, ooh yes. Civilian to Law Enforcement, ooh yes. With teachers, it really, really depends. Teachers are fluid. LECTURERS, are different. More formality is required. The oji-san who works at that ramen shop, nah... Just use the local dialect or just 'totally plain' Japanese. That stranger who you ask for directions? Nah, just use simple desu forms and '...n desu' forms. Tatoeba: Doko de iku n desu ka? Sore ijou.  |
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I been taking japanese classes for three semesters in my university. The only advantage is that I already know spanish so I don't have to much trouble pronouncing words. I got a say though once you start understanding how the language works you get tick or upset if you see someone doing a bad translation (I refering more to outakus that think they know a few words by watching anime instead on sitting down and study). I found this problem in some manga translations as well in some anime translations. In the manga is more of the order of how you translate from japanese to english. If you know japanese or at least understand how their grammar works then you most understand that the order it somewhat backwards (In the most part but not completely) from how you read it or speak it in english. In the case of the anime (and this is more of an opinion), some phrases like "yoroshiku onegaishimasu" which is use when meeting a person or a group of people for the first time it is often translated as "please take care of me" instead of "nice to meet you" or "It's a pleasure to meet you" (for a more formal aspect). I know that is more of what type of situation is going on but, for a translation of a scene such as a high-school class I prefer to use "nice to meet you all" even if in the japanese original audio does use minna. What I basically saying is that you need to adapt the language not just by translation directly but, more like transforming the whole translation in how you might say it in english cause it only sounds weird if you say it the same you try to translate.  |
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stuff they won't teach you (if you're thinking about living in japan) Japanese way of thinking. How to survive in japan as a foreigner. |
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on 2013-08-30 04:30:13 |
| How to deal with other Japanese people when you have a huge language barrier |
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on 2013-09-03 10:18:01 |
Immerse yourself. If you're actually thinking of moving over here, you're either working or in school. Befriend co-workers or classmates. You'll get the hang of the language pretty fast. If not, watch a bit of drama, news, anime, really anything and force yourself to learn Kanji, through beginner reading, and so on. It's all about sticking to it. After that, you'll be speaking rather fluently within a few years.  |
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on 2013-09-06 02:36:14 |
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