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| How about planes of ascension? Multiple lower planes leading up into greater planes, thus ascension. Think about it. Also if we are in a plane as I believe then there is no end to it. That is the definition of a plane. Also most major religions think of heaven or paradise. This paradise is a form of ascension because you are going from one plane to another. |
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| No, it is spelled "plane". What are you trying to say in the first part I didn't understand. |
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A PLAIN is a field. A PLANE is a dimension. Žq•ª Heaven doesn't want me and hell's to afraid I'll take over! |
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| I mean plane as in dimension. I just like using plane instead of dimension. |
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by mostlikely
on 2003-12-24 16:47:31
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How about this: After we ascend to "heaven" we notice there's no meaning to happyness without the hardships of our current plane of exsistance. Therefore after certain criteria are met we ascend right back to where we are now, creating an loop of ascending with only 2 planes. |
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| If there are multiple planes, their number is probably indefinite. |
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I agree with that last post: BEGIN | you live -> you die | END as for dimensions as in 3d and 4d? 4d is probably time, I see it like this: 4d is like you have a 2d picture which is translated to 3d, but the 2d picture really was a 3d picture thus creating a new dimension: time. What would the 5th dimension be? |
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time is correct as a 4th dimension. but that isn't how it works. If you have taken 1 year of calculus you would understand how it works. You know how the basic three dimensions are right? Now this would be really hard to visualize. Imagine looking at a pyramid from the top view. Every block is 1 meter in height. If you look at the whole pyramid, it is 3 dimensional right? when you slice it up and look at only what it covers at the 2 meter in height mark, you see that it covers 900meters squared in the 2 dimensions. At the 9 meters in height you see that it covers only about 4 meters squared. At 0 meters in height you see that it covers 1400 meters squared in the 2 dimensions. (these number were all made up but you get the point) And this pyramid in total covers 9000 meters cubed. When you look at it that way, you can say that the 2 dimensional area is dependant on the height you slice the picture up. Or in other words, the first 2 dimensions are dependant on the third. |
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Now to apply time to the picture: The 3 dimensions that the object occupies is dependant on time, the 4 dimension. Imagine a motion picture, when you pause at the 20:01 time, the dog is in one place. When you pause at 20:03 time, the dog is at another place, that is how the 3 dimensions are dependant on time. In finding other dimensions, you have to find things in which the previous dimensions are dependant on, yet cannot determine. Mass and energy would not work as other dimensions (in my opinion) because when you look at the first 3 dimensions in terms of molecules, every proton etc, has a definite size and energy in which it contains. |
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on 2004-06-07 15:11:28 |
| If you look at ascension in terms of life, death and rebirth, (I know that was from EVA for any smart ass out there), then planes of ascension could be considered astral or ethereal planes. If you look at it through physical ascension then the planes become metaphorical, each plane representing a limit you surpassed or new quality you now possess. In terms of death alone, I believe in reincarnation so the only ascension I have to look forward to is becoming a better being, or a worse depending on how I lived my life. |
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New look: Atoms (and molecules) have mass thus exist in 3 dimensions. The electrons and nucleons 'move' thus having a 4th dimension. The theory of dimensions is strictly speculative since you cant recreate the 3rd, 2nd and 1st dimension, and the 4th is liable to exist. So basically all we have is the 4th dimension. Maybe you consider it as being 'reality' where the 3rd dimension is one single frame in time. Maybe we are trying to understand something we cant understand in out current perspective. |
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um... correction. 4th dimension only occurs when time becomes a form of displacement rather than a measure of displacement itself. -_-; Our reality is in 3 dimensions. If ever there was a 4th we still have not tapped into it. 4th is time travel.
Sinn
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some people find it hard to understand time is a dimension not so unlike x, y and z. the only difference is that we cannot easily translate an object through time as we can the x-axis. this is probably only due to our lack of creativity, however. 
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There is no law anywhere that requires us to be able to travel it to make a dimension a dimension. Suppose we lacked the muscular ability to jump and lived in a flat desert. Does that mean that there is no longer a height dimension? Where are the stars then? If your definition of travel is a little less technical, then, before flight was invented, there was no third dimension due to the fact that we could never travel that dimension properly. And before you argue that we could still go down thanks to gravity, I remind you that time inevitably goes forward for us. Basically, I have seen it defined that matter must exist in the three dimensions we know to exist at all. If it does not have any height, length, or depth (even if one of those is only one of the smallest particle existing, it is still 1 rather than 0) then it does not exist at all. How can something with 0 as any one of those dimensions exist? The same thing applies to time. Something must exist at a particular point in time however brief or long it may have existed. You can define it's existance as being between the point of origin and ending. Just like you can for the other three dimensions. I never understood the silly argument that you have to be able to travel the dimension for it to exist. And, I ask, just how exactly is it possible to find a way to travel this dimension if it doesn't exist? Wouldn't the same apply to the others? The other three wouldn't exist until AFTER we found a way to travel them. Therefore, we don't exist because we never would have found a way in our existance of precicely 0 atoms by 0 atoms by 0 atoms at no point in time. Seriously though. Isn't that rather egotistical to believe that it is only a dimension once you become capable of exerting some control in it? Well, if you want to be technical, we do have the technology to slow it down a bit for us. So if you must be limited by such ego, then at least consider that we already have exerted some tiny tiny amount of control. |