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on 2008-02-26 19:25:20 |
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"The simplicity is what makes it so complex" Does that phrase make sense to you? My peers seem to think I'm crazy to have come up with something like that, and they say that it doesn't make any sense at all. I interpret it as like looking at something so simple, that, in fact, it is still very complex. o-O Does THAT even makes sense..? 
So I drove into a parking lot one time and saw this person pull into a handicap parking spot. When you think handicap, you think wheelchair and whatever, right? So it just ticked me off when I saw the guy come out of the car perfectly fine. So then I ran him over. |
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on 2008-02-26 21:18:33 |
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hmmm, I guess it does and it doesn't. how you define "simple" and "complex" in this matter? |
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on 2008-02-26 21:38:25 |
I believe that is an irreconcilable linguistic contradiction, and does not make any sense whatsoever. Though, if you think that it works, give an example or somesuch that will perhaps enlighten me on the matter.  |
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You guys, this topic is so simple, and that's what makes it complex. you're thinking too hard about it. or maybe I'm not thinking hard enough, but here goes. if someone told you Say A box of biscuits, a batch of mixed biscuits ten times fast. "A box of biscuits, a batch of mixed biscuits, a box of biscuits, a batch of mixed biscuits...." or, you could simply say, "A box of biscuits, a batch of mixed biscuits ten times fast." it's quite simple, but we tend to make it a bit more complex. when presented in this situation, the meaning of the statement is that there's another way to do something right. ummm. that probably wasn't a good example. sorry. In my own words, "the simplicity is what makes it so complex" means, even though it seems simple, that simpleness is actually what makes it hard in the first place. I know there's some possible examples of this, but I don't have any good ones at the moment. 
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on 2008-02-27 00:42:49 |
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yeah, i see what you're saying, but the phrase still seems to be a bit of a misnomer to me... |
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Try reading 'The Book of Five Rings' by Miyamoto Musashi. The guy writes in a very simple manner (it is martial arts specific), but is able to confound and confuse even the most experienced martial mind with his simplicity.  |
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on 2008-02-27 03:50:22 |
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I think the phrase "Simplicity is what makes it so complex" makes sense. Say like when you are composing a sentence... to illustrate how you feel towards others--- there are different styles to illustrate that feeling: i) Such abnormality in this world, an individual who's weak will surely diminish in shame! I am charred in God's wrath! That style is Aesthetic. It's not narrated in a generic manner, hence ambiguity occurs and deciphering the meaning is even difficult. That's not simplicity--- it's sophisticated, but not complex (broken, detached) to other's thinking. 11) The world is not normal, and so I am born mad to live here. God hates me, then. That is generic narration, but at the same time, the simple syntax makes the phrase sounds like a thousand knives. Poems usually use that element to illustrate the whole picture. Keep it short, snappy and shweet. Another quick example is IKEA--- they printed out how to assemble furniture without using much words, but it provides simple yet detailed diagrams of assembly. What the company is trying to tell is sometimes words of explanation cannot be understood by other people with different languages. It can lead to misunderstanding, limited vocab knowledge etc. That's why showing diagrams are simple enough to patch up the whole image (hence complexity). |
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on 2008-02-27 04:04:23 |
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^ Exactly what I was about to say.... ^_^ That's the word i was looking for: AESTHETIC! |
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| Well, not to speak for everyone, but the most common human reaction to a simple thing is too look deeper. People cant accept something as simple, instead they look to find a deeper meaning and thus make it far more complex than it ever should have been. |
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on 2008-02-27 10:06:38 (edited 2008-02-27 10:13:13)
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@bakayuki- Yeah, I do agree your point, but even when a person is searching something that has a deeper meaning to it, he/she will make the interpretation more difficult by assuming that deeper meaning is truly mysterious, unexplainable and 'whatever, that sounds sane enough' to him/herself! (That really sounds like Creationism stuff). That won't be understandably complex (hence, it's just too detailed, too much ideas, too much ambiguity) to oneself... There's a reason why some important things must stay simple and (reasonable yet logical, if possible) complex at the same time! It can sort out oneself's problems yet understands one's potential and attitudes without thinking so much!. @renshi-sho- lol Aesthetic it is... ^_^ |
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on 2008-02-27 13:27:00 |
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About simple and complex There are terms (at java object-oriented programming) called "encapsulation" and "abstraction". As the meaning, encapsulation object is to encapsulate, to close the view of a system from client, information hiding. Similar to abstraction here have a meaning to let client to only know what they need to know By then, human's brain won't be burdened. I believe it applied to real world problems. for example as a driver, you know how to make a car move forward. put the key on, set the gear and step on the gas, there you go. simple. but the fact is that the car is not moved by what you did, (in an instant, "step on the gas" = "car move") the oil will be taken somehow, with a machine it's pressured, to be power to move gears (I dun no bout this things really) etc is actually have such engineering system inside the car which is closed (encapsulated) by car's iron plates and is not explained well to the client. at first, sounds it make you stupid. "If I being careless about the system, how if the car got problem? I won't be able to fix it" the word "unable" could make one feel bad. but we are human, you know. Let say you are a computer technician, which to understand computer software and hardware, it's system, and such a wide variation on it's functionality today, is such a hard job. yet you want to understand car engineering, human biology (to keep you healthy), art (so you're not noob), many language (so you can go global nicely), business trading(money), psychology (so you can deal with ppl well), etc is good if you're able to take two or three of them, but so many complication will just stress you down. Some ppl are curious and keep asking what why how, making them looking for more and more answer and be knowledgeable, there you go, scientist. Most of us are had scientist spirit when we were a children, but growing up in this wide world, we start to ignore things and make things... simple! "instant" are loved. imho, complexity itself is made by many of simple things. complexity is interesting at several level I think it's up to you, really But at some points, we will make several things simply Humans... Lesson: It is good to simplify on several things to make your life easier. Note: If you watch Prison Break, Michael(protagonist) got psychology disorder of this matter (sry, I forgot the name), he see things complexly and unable to encapsulate or abstract them. The psychiatrist says that most of ppl will go crazy when they got this bcos they brain can't stand the pressure. but on the story Mike was diffrent, his brain capacity was amazing and the disorder rather making him more genius. (with a lot of pressure I guess)
Dream ends when we wake up and life ends when we die.
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often in science, physics in particular, an every-day phenomena may seem simple. take, for example, a water droplet which, due to surface tension and gravity, has it's well known shape. understanding surface tension and gravity requires a lot of specific knowledge. yet, any small child can easily recognize the shape of a water droplet. there seems an odd duality in the world of a scientist. the world of common sense and the world of details. 
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If you want to look at things the simple way, you do it. But if you want to understand the thing more deeply, you have to be prepared to face the complex challenge and not lose your mind to it.  |
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on 2008-04-03 04:04:10
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| "The simplicity is what makes it so complex" is a good example of its self. we all know what it means yet we all have these deeper thoughts that is driven by its simplicity |
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While I agree with the other points here, another way I see it is that we see things as very simple, but they are actually quite complex. The concept of gravity is quite simple to some. Every bit of mass has some gravitational force that pulls things towards it. For small objects, the force is insignificant, but for large objects, planets and stars and the such, the force cannot be ignored. However, the concept may be easily explained as a force given of by a mass that pulls other masses towards it, how many people can actually explain gravity? I mean, what is it really? What causes gravity? It's often things regarded as simple that are actually quite complex. |
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on 2008-05-17 20:56:13 (edited 2008-05-17 20:57:24)
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Everything in life is simple, but once it goes through the human filter it becomes complex. Generally people try to bend something to fit the individual instead of the individual bending to fit something. Therefore all the simplicities in life become complex in the hands of man.
Who ever said anything is possible, never tried slamming a revolving door...
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on 2008-05-29 01:13:15 |
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"Simplicity is what makes it so complex". Simple? or complex? Take two persons looking at the same object, say a moon. Their eyes are fixed on the same object, exactly the same. But they see it differently. The other sees a simple moon in the night sky. While the other sees an extremely beautiful silver celestial body hanging in its throne in the velvety night sky. Surrounded by glittering stars and other celestial bodies. Its surface is rocky and it emits a faint silver glow of light which leaves everyone who watches it enchanted. See? |
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I understand the phrase to mean something like "hiding in plain sight"; that is, something is so obvious that you completely miss it.  |
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People find patterns where there are none. Simple is simple.
If each mistake being made is a new one, then progress is being made.
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I think it is as simple as Haoie said here before. It alluded to what we "do" the simple to, therefore, to something complex. We are often stuck in a problem that we identify ourselves with (I will solve it with just the thinking that "I" now reside) and therefore can not 'see' convenience structure in the response, precisely because we stuck in a "tight" path that makes us blind. Therefore we should often reassure its internal prattle and open up to outside world to "face reality" as it is. /S
The All is a one endless eternity of differences, which build up the space of spaces.Because, Nothingness can't exist.
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