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Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-10-31 01:48:32 |
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(BEFORE YOU READ ON YOU MUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND AS TO WHAT IS SAID, DO NOT THINK I AM JUST BRINING DOWN A RELIGION, I AM MERELY DISSECTING IT SO YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYTHING COMES FROM) Now if you look at every religion weather it be Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism, Islamic, Hindu, Catholicism,what have you. They all point to one man God. but with that a side id like to talk about the holidays we Christians & Catholics celebrate were originally Pegan Holidays before we "converted" the Pegans to Christianity. WINTER SOLSTICE December 21st: (aka Christmas) The celebration of the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year. It is the celebration rebirth of the Sun, which is the promise of spring and life even on this the darkest day. Therefore some consider this the new year. The burning of the log is to give the Sun strength. Mumming (plays) such as "St. George" is a Pagan survival , it represents the rebirth of the God. Wassailing or is also a Pagan custom. The Roman festival of the Solstice was Saturnalia, which lasted from December 17th to the 24th. VERNAL EQUINOX March 20 / 21: (aka Easter) The celebration of the Vernal (Spring) Equinox. Day & Night are equal length. It is a time for planting and celebrating the first signs of fertility and rebirth. Symbols of Ostara like eggs, chicks, and rabbits have been adopted by Christians in their Easter holiday. The word, Easter is from the goddess Eostra, Ishtar or Astarte. SAMHAIN - Cross-quarter day - October 31/ November 1 (aka Halloween) Death, the third of the Harvest holidays, the ending of the cycle, death, but with the hope of rebirth and the New Year.The traditional time for the annual slaughter to ensure food throughout the winter months. Take this time to remember departed ones. In some traditions the end of the year . The separation between this physical world and the spiritworld is thin. Halloween customs are a part of this element of death, the thin line at this cycle and remembering the dead and the hopes of rebirth. On this night Magick is more powerful . & that is where i will end for today.
Look at these eyes. One of them is a fake, because I lost it in an accident. Since then, I have been seeing the past in one eye, and the present in the other. I had believed that what I saw was not all of reality...
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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Yeah, it's pretty weird how cultural phenomena can incorporate each other and evolve through time, be they religions, traditions in general, languages or "memes" if such things exist. But is there a question in here somewhere? |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-10-31 11:24:52 |
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Firstly, I was as confused as marzad too. Is that the whole q? You know that all religions made a lot of progress due to historical accounts--- like the conversion of Paganism to Catholicism in Ireland during the 4AD. For example, Samhain is on 31st of October, which is a Pagan festival. And this festival is maybe not accepted in Catholicism. Maybe it's just a festival that people like to celebrate the mysteries of life and death, for the benefit of broading one's mind on life and death and other supernaturalities. After Samhain, it's 1st of November, which is All Souls Day (Catholic holiday). I don't know whether this is the boycotted belief, which it also relates to death. This means that religions can accept some outside beliefs of other minor religions, I should say, maybe to prove that these outside beliefs, in some way, can lead to God. Another one is the birth of Jesus Christ, which it is also the birth of the Underworld Egyptian God Osiris (I think so). |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-01 17:15:15 |
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You see its people like you two that make this topic a great way for others to communicate effectively by exploring where our religion & cultural heritage comes from.
Look at these eyes. One of them is a fake, because I lost it in an accident. Since then, I have been seeing the past in one eye, and the present in the other. I had believed that what I saw was not all of reality...
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-04 06:17:50 |
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Really? Hee... you cheer me up. Here's one I found out from my friend--- you know those days before Easter Friday/Saturday/Sunday... the whole period is according to the Lunar Phase! And this REALLY relates to Ramadhan (a part of Islam months, which muslims have to fast for 30 days, before sunrise until sunset every day). 0_o And this really gets me this 'Who Made Who' feeling X(((( |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-04 15:25:19 |
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The historical origins of the pehonomenon you describe is actually fairly straightforward. The general pattern is: - Christanity comes to a new area, converts the people by coersion or force, establishes 'God' there. - People in that area still celebrate old 'pagan' festivals (Which makes sense; how would you feel if someone conquered you and said that Christmas was the work of demons and therefore cancelled? That's essentially what was happening... And, like many of us in the above situation, most people kept on celebrating) - Since the Christians couldn't take the pagan festivals out of the religion, they decided instead to take the 'pagan' out of religious festivals... i.e. they Christianized the holidays and called them their own. People still got to celebrate, and it was usually basically the same thing as it was before, so this didn't cause as many problems Oh, and a minor correction for the opening sentance to this thread: "hindu" is not a monotheistic religion. It is polytheistic, i.e. it has several gods, in the same way that the greeks did. The other religions you mentioned, i.e. Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism, Islamic, and Catholicism, all have much the same origions: Christianity (which includes the subsects Catholicism and Mormonism as well as several others) branched of Judaism. Judaic and Islamic scripture also share the the same historic source; the 'God' they refer to is historically the same 'God'. Which is incedentally why all these religions are monotheistic, with one god (most religions in the world have been polytheistic).
Sore wa... himitsu.
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-05 00:50:52 |
| @ulto- I definitely agree to your thread! It's so funny and weird why Christianity/Islam/Judaism worships the same God, but its practices are different??? It's even weirder than polytheism religions! |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-05 17:44:39 |
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Ulto you have a very good point.
Look at these eyes. One of them is a fake, because I lost it in an accident. Since then, I have been seeing the past in one eye, and the present in the other. I had believed that what I saw was not all of reality...
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I'm going to answer your question w00t0s. Christians worship god, Jesus, and the holy spirit calling it monotheistic because they say all three are the same entity. The Jewish don't believe in Jesus as a messiah so they don't worship him at all. As for Muslims I'm pretty sure they follow the teachings of Muhammad, who they believe to be the last prophet of god.  |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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@Ulto- well actually, while at face polytheistic, Hinduism actually does allow for not only polytheism, but is considered monotheistic in among some circles within the faith (that there aren't separate gods per se, but all just different faces of the One God), and in some more unorthodox cases allow for an 'atheism' of sorts (they deny all the gods but still believe in the Atman)  |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-08 15:43:31 |
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Thank you for the elaboration... I had meant only to highlight a misconception in the initial argument (namely that polytheistic religions do exist and that a concept of the Single God is not universal), but I admit that I should have attempted a more thorough description than that provided by my sweeping statement, for there is little I abhor as much as misinformation given to the masses, and it always irks me when unwittingly I perform that role. Also, I would argue that "atheism" is definately the wrong term, although I admit to be perplexed in attempting to think of a better one at the moment (and certainly your point on the amiguity of theistic state is clear). Considering the root of the word, atheism implies a lack of theistic structure, rather than simply the lack of a clearly defined god. I suspect there is an applicable word, but I do not know of it.
Sore wa... himitsu.
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-08 15:54:16 |
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Atheism is the refusal to believe in supernatural explanations of nature. Example: Gendou is an Atheist. Deism is the belief that God exists and created the universe, but does not intervene in supernatural ways. I think Deism is the word you're looking for. 
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-08 16:27:08 (edited 2007-11-08 16:28:26)
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Possibly, though I would argue that 'Deism' is also unfit. The arguement for atheism made was not based on the interference of the said deity, but the accuracy of the application of the term 'deity' itself. The veiw of Hinduism being spoken of, unless I am mistaken, does not have a 'clockmaker' view of a God, and still believes that the supernatural world is... Well, 'intervening' is the wrong world becuase that veiwpoint belives the real world is illusiory (and I'm not sure wheather you can intervene in a world that does not exist), but I am not under the impression that they believe God packed up His Bags and left humankind to their Own Devices... Instead the supernatural element is, in their belief, certainly still present; in fact the only thing present, if the real world is assumed to be an illusion. ...God, that became convoluted. Attempting to think from a Hinduist perspective leads to great confusion on my part, I'm afraid. I am by no means a professor of religion (I myself am an atheist, or at least noticably agnostic, and my interest in religion is spurred primarily by how riduculous and thought-provoking it can be at the same time... albeit the latter often is incurred more by the obsevation of mistakes)... I am not by any means psoitive of my knowledge on the religion being discussed, so pardon me if I am in error.
Sore wa... himitsu.
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-10 18:57:30 |
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Perhaps a better way for me to phrase it would to be to say that they can be spiritual but not religious??? If that makes sense... and yeah, your statements seem right ulto, though i am not really an expert on the topic of discussion either, i only read a couple books on the subject a few years ago, so my knowledge is quite basic and minimal... it seems almost ironic to me that although we're discussing religion, we all seem to be a bunch of atheists. |
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Re: Religion & all its many facts, flaws, truths, etc.
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on 2007-11-14 16:08:08 |
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This topic reminds me of the Hero's journey. All cultures back in the day had many stories that told of how a boy became an adult or vice versa. All the stories followed a similar format eventhough some were entirely different or far apart.... *rambles on* 
So I drove into a parking lot one time and saw this person pull into a handicap parking spot. When you think handicap, you think wheelchair and whatever, right? So it just ticked me off when I saw the guy come out of the car perfectly fine. So then I ran him over. |
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by phantom-heiress
on 2008-08-15 16:28:27
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wow. its really amazing that everyone on this forum seems to be really polite and straightforward when disussing so called "controversial" topics. I have to say this is really impressing.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise - Psalm 111:9-10
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