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Overclocking a computer
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by Frost-Heart
on 2007-06-14 05:08:14
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Hmm, well i've got no idea if this thread should go here, but this is about the only computing topic here. So, what i'm after is to safely overclock my computer. Just to get that little bit of extra speed XD Of course, i've got no idea how to go about doing this so i'd like to see if people here can help me? If you need to know any specs, i can get them for you easily enough... |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-14 05:11:28 (edited 2007-06-14 05:11:42)
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Read the scenarios in this tread. http://gendou.com/forum/thread.php?thr=17906 Then decide if you want to overclock your PC or not. |
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by Frost-Heart
on 2007-06-14 05:34:49
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Hmm, your point is taken. I'm also aware of the dangers of overclocking, the whole void warranty {mines gone already anyway XD Ages ago {old comp}}, damaged parts, overheating, etc. So yeah, i'm thinking hard about wether or not i will O/C or not. I think i'll do some more research about methods and stuff like that before i decide anything else...Time to go a-questing! :D |
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on 2007-06-14 05:44:41 (edited 2007-06-14 05:45:05)
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So, are you deal with the challenge of overclocking now? I just learned it, but it is like a good hobby to me now. Well, better get some research about overclocking, especially about the hardwares that you gonna overclock. But be sure that you can calculate sudden changes of temperature. The best remedy of it is ready your Liquid Nitrogen. |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-17 11:33:45 |
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OMFG....... I just typed up a 4 page walkthrough on how to overclock an Intel or AMD processor, details and all, and when I clicked post reply it said I had to log in since it timed out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Well, if you find you ARE interested in overclocking, just post saying so and could you say what kind of processor and motherboard you have?
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@ dud3 Oh, so I'm not the only one who loses hours of typing with that xD @ Frost-Heart Well, tell us about your system (including case, fans, possible case-modding and such things) and the pros here will tell you if it's worth the possible risk and how to do it ;)  |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-27 02:57:05 |
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For dud3: It is easy to overclock a AMD and Intel processors. But the problem of Intel processor is you got to overclock it manually with configuration to the motherboard. For AMD, the heat is the problem. AMD processors heats faster than Intel, so the primary remedy for that processor is to lower the temperature before overclocking the entire System Unit. If you want to paste those documents you have, better to paste it in 4 post posting it in one post. But the question is do you know how to overclock a DELL Computers and Apple Computers? |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-27 06:09:00 |
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@Ruy: Considering those both use intel processors, yeah, I know how to unlock the FSB adjusters for the motherboard, but in the case of the apples, I'll be honest, apples aren't worth overclocking. Too many things mess up on apples when you overclock them. AMDs only overheat faster per every MHz increase of the FSB because they have a higher multiplier. AMDs usually have around a 11x multiplier, and intels usually have a 4x or 5x multiplier. What I was going to post was all of my past experiences with overclocking, recommendations, a step-by-step procedure walk-through, and a few other references if you needed further info, but it was so long that after the stupid auto-log out thing caused my post to disappear I just said to heck with it unless Frost-Heart really is interested in overclocking.
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-27 22:05:28 |
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I know someone will understand me that some computers can be overclocked, NOT ALL OF THEM. Heheheheh! Apples can be overclock, but due to its difficulties, devices, and other sort of things, especially the recommended hardwares to be equipt in the computers, it is hard and risky to overclock it. It is so hard to find hardwares that is recommended to a apple computer if you know what I mean. Dell Computers is also like that, but some common brand of hardwares are compatible to that computer. It is like this, Apple is only for Apple, Dell and Compatible Brands for Dell are for Dell. So, it is so worth to overclock a Hybrid Computers because there is so much hardwares that can be put on those computers, even though you destroy one, you can easily replace it without hastle or worries. Past reference is past, but it also be helpful. Now a days, some companies makes some Overclock-Friendly hardwares. So sometimes, it is, maybe, 65% risky to overclock. I hope Apple computers can also like that also. Frost-Heart knows some of the pros and cons in overclocking, but the real deal of overclocking was not there for him. Maybe he will be more interest in overclocking if he knows that. I hope. |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-27 22:19:42 (edited 2007-06-27 22:20:14)
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I've been looking for ways to overclock my notebook (it's using an Intel Celeron M processor 1.3GHz) but i can't find much info on it through google. Anybody care to share methods of overclocking a notebook? I don't want to overclock it too high though, just an increase to at least to a 1.7GHz will do (about 30% increase). I've got some experience on overclocking desktops(3 success...1 failed, horribly XD)...but I feel like a total n00b when it comes to notebooks T_T. |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 00:09:21 (edited 2007-06-28 00:17:05)
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I don't know if Notebook Computers can be overclocked or not. But maybe it will ... NOT! Notebook computers are mobile and can be carry anywhere. Stable place is one of the needed for a Overclocked computers. Notebook computers have slim and thin body not like Destop Hugeness, so there is no Air-Flow inside the chasis. So, it has no cooling devices like jumbo fans or liquid-cooling devices. Unlike Desktop and Tower-Case Computers, it can easily install a cooling devices because of its wide space, even a mini-aircon can do so. Heheheheh! But for the notebook computers, Silicon Heat-Transfer Gel, Strap Aluminum Heatsink, or other heat minimizer chemicals is one of the main cooling agents of it. But even using those things, it has less power to decrease sudden temperature changes or heat-rising activity of chips by 20%-50%. Notebooks are sometimes sensitive on some sort of atmosphere. That's what my friends are saying. The ICs and Chips of notebooks are seems so delicate in moisture or heat. I don't know if this is true or not, but because of that, they prefer to use desktop rather than notebooks. And importantly, in times of worst cons in overclocking, the hardware is also be damage or lessens it's life span. Due to those, notebooks compatible parts like mainboard, graphics adapters, and other sort of devices are hard to find. That's why you will be force to purchase a new notebook if damage occur. But if some notebooks have multiple FSB as what dud3 says, it will have great impact to easily overclock a notebook. And as what I experience, Intel Celeron Chips have limited features than PIII and P4, so it might have problems in that device. But in what you say in your statement, you want to increase the clock speed of your PC to 30%. WOW! It is like pressuring a 7 year old kid to run 1 KM in 10 Minutes. In overclocking, there is a possibility to increase the speed of your PC to a maximum of 10%. If you overclock a 1.3 GHz PC, it will increase for only 1.33GHz up to 1.4 GHz, but it depends on your hardware and the thermal conditioning of your hardware. Poor durability and Poor Thermal Condition of your hardware may cause into serious physical hardware damage. If you want to overclock your Notebook, it is like overclocking your Desktop computers. But the problem is the device inside your Notebook if it is Overclocking-Friendly or not. Last Words: It is very dangerous if you got only the basics in a topic rather than nothing. |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 03:27:15 (edited 2007-06-28 03:37:10)
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It's just that I saw articles where someone managed to overclock the Celeron M from 1.4GHz to 4GHz, so i just wanna try it out >.<. I'm not planning to overclock it right away, I just want the knowledge first since I might be getting a new notebook soon, and so, I'll overclock the old one and stuff XD |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 04:47:58 |
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WOW! I don't belive that a person manage to overclock a Celeron M from 1.4 Ghz to 4Ghz. I imagine what cooling system he installed in his computer... ... ... ..' Wahahahaha! Maybe he lives in North Pole. By the way, about the topic, there is no possibility on overclocking a clock speed up to 300%. I don't know how he did that. But sometimes, to see it is to believe it. Like my overclocking practice since I'm using a PII MMX processor and I want to bost it to 500MHz. It just get wracked and melted up. Then due to research, I discover that there is only a slight changes in speed when you overclock your computer even overclock it to the MAX. And also, one of my computers that I have manage to display 700+MHz only (TRUE, It only DISPLAY, not RUN) even it's only running at 333MHz at top speed. But I forgot to do it again. Hehehehe! Hey this is one of the tip that I get about knowing someones notebook computers before overclocking. Try to disassemble and assemble the parts of your notebook computer one-by-one until you knows them all. In knowing all hardwares in your computer, you are ready to overclock them for the first time. |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 06:06:49 (edited 2007-06-28 06:17:35)
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I know my notebook quite well(if I say so myself)...since I've taken it apart and assembling it together many times already, usually to clean it up. Too bad there's no jumpers for me to mess around with... The best I've got was my first overclocked PC...a AMD K7 550Mhz processor...I managed to get it to go up to 950Mhz, but the processor died after 6 to 7 months. The second AMP K7 550Mhz (I bought this one from a second hand shop for less than $5 O_o), tried to overclock it like the previous processor, but only managed to get it to 700Mhz, and it can't go any higher cause when it does, the computer acts weird, and well, it starts to smell smoky... Anyways, I found a page at overclockers.com about overclocking my CPU for a notebook. I'm using the same processor used in the guide, except that it's a different notebook. Although, I'm not going to take the risk yet... (btw, is he using a wire to connect the pins?) |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 09:35:05 |
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Okay, first off, it's actually not that hard to overclock a Dell, you just have to do something called the "pencil trick" but I'd rather not have to walk someone through that. In regards to the laptop, sorry, overclocking a laptop is HIGHLY NOT recommended. The processors in laptops already have almost nil airflow (compared to desktops) and plus overclocking requires modifying processor voltage levels - something that is not designed to be adjusted in laptops since you're running from a battery. And Ruy, it may be hard to believe, but it is possible to get up to a 400% overclock even. Try using an AMD Duron and strapping on Liquid Nitrogen cooling. Possible? yes, practical? no. At that point you're better off buying a better stock processor (it'd be cheaper than paying for the cooling system). It's funny though if you take it off during use because the processor will literally blast out of the socket. And Kay, in the article you linked to, you realize he had to disassemble almost his entire laptop just to get to the processor, and then jumper tricked his FSB (which btw, varies from processor model).
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 10:40:16 |
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My processor is just underneath the keyboard actually...simply take out the keyboard and voila; it opened with 10 seconds, no screwdrivers needed. I also rarely uses the notebook's battery, since I usually use the mains. Oh yeah, I did mention I'm using the same processor model as the article. I do agree on the airflow though, but some said that Arctic Silver might help a little. I read about using liquid nitrogen for cooling via wikipedia a few hours ago. I actually had no idea that we can do that, but from the looks of it and the procedures...yea, it sounds expansive. The processor can blast out of the socket? Is that even possible? *starts thinking of the electrons running about* The "pencil trick"...Isn't it where we shade the processor's bridges with pencil lead? I've seen people doing it before, but was kinda puzzled at first...I actually thought they've had nothing better to do... I'm not quite sure what to buy for my new PC, a notebook or a desktop. I was thinking of overclocking the desktop if I buy one or overclocking my current notebook if I got myself a new notebook. Only problem with the notebook is, as h4x0r mentioned, very little airflow...and I can't even attach a water cooling system (yea, too big...) |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 18:55:54 (edited 2007-06-28 18:57:18)
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It doesn't so much as blow out of the socket as much as it just generically shatters into a million pieces and parts of it fly out too. Here's a google video of some guys doing something similar: |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 20:58:03 (edited 2007-06-28 21:03:50)
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for Dud3: WOW! I like the video. Even I'm overclocking my computers in past times, I never experience that event. WOW! That's the way we overclock a PC, exposing all the hardwares in a table. Hehehehe! I like the explosion (I almost SCREEM!) more than throwing HE Grenade in Counter Strike. Hehehehe. By the way, why didn't they use even a dry ice or a liquid nitrogen to cool-up their processor? Hey, about the overclocking the processor to 400% that you just say, I think it just be some sort of hard and extensive calculation of temperature. I don't believe at first because it is far hard to maintain the processor's temperature while at run-time. I know to overclock a processor to 200% (I just make it when overclocking my friend's old P4 Processor as our experiment), but 300%-400%, I must say...UNBELIVABLE. We overclock it and placing a Liquid Nitrogen in the device. But even 200% it is a failure because after a couple of hours later, its "SMOKEN!" so much. I think the processor can't handdle the pressure even with Liquid Nitrogen, or even I'm mistaken in that play. But I don't think it will do in Notebook that 300% or 400% overclock. I know the pencil trick that you're saying, but it is more difficult to bridge it in DELL processor than Duron or AMD. Hey, it is not named as "Pencil Trick", it is now called "Mechanical Pencil Trick" because it is recommeded to use mechanical pencils in doing those things. Hehehehe! For Kay: I just view the article at the link that you just shown us. But what a heck, people now a days are using the same old-trick in tweaking the processor's slot. Hey, that's dangerous, especially in laptops if you didn't use a proper wire as a jumper and the jumper you just place must intact in the slot and to the processor. I commonly use silver wires in that strategy because ... someone said it to me ... hehehehe! We always use it to be sure that the FSB reads a full clock speed that the processor can excert. It is like fooling it. I don't know if there's another way to overclock the notebook in full blast speed, not "BLAST" only. Cooling Chemicals like Artic Silver are more helpful in notebooks because it doesn't occupy much space unlike mini-aircons inside a desktop. But probably, all people wanted a processor that can handle extreme temperature up to 100 Degress. If that processor exist, there is no problem in overclocking, the next problem is the mainboard overclock. |
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-28 21:15:06 (edited 2007-06-28 21:16:58)
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@Ruy Lopez: Yeah, that's a very ghetto computer setup they've got going on! Durons can be overclocked like heck. They're probably the closest thing to what you were talking about with surviving high temperatures, and they're the most recommended processor to try overclocking methods on since they're easy to do it on and they're pretty tough. Even so, the only way 300-400% overclocks are possible is with cooling as powerful as liquid nitrogen, and even then you need a temperature monitoring system built into the cooling system so it can stabilize the temperature. The greatest problem with liquid nitrogen cooling tends to come when someone isn't using the processor's all-out power while having the cooling at 'full-blast' and they end up freezing their processor since liquid-nitro's so cold, or the opposite happens and it roasts since they don't have the coolant flow set fast enough (or their reserve is low). The temperature monitoring system is vital to avoid that sort of problem, but even still with liquid-nitro cooling you usually don't want to have it going for more than about 2 to 3 hours at a time since it really wears out the processor. Think about it, you've got a processor going 3-4 times faster than was originally intended with an EXTREME difference of hots and colds colliding on a tiny piece of silicon! Talk about working under pressure! And as for the pencil trick, that's only really meant for AMD processors like the athlons and durons,etc., so it probably doesn't work on Dells since Dells use Intel processors.
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Re: Overclocking a computer
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on 2007-06-29 05:29:11 (edited 2007-06-29 05:31:36)
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For Dud3: AMD and Durons in past years (Maybe year 1998 up to 2002) are not good at high temperature because it's easy to heat itself. Thanks to Thermal Conditioning, it can survive high temperature, becomes more durable than Intel, and importantly it is cheap unlike Intel processors. Possibly it is overclock-friendly. But I have a feeling that the cause of this extreme-overclock that of Duron and AMD may handle is its high multipiers. I also just encounter also leaving a pack of liquid nitrogen at the processor in a Shutted Down Computer, so I know how it can affect the ICs in my motherboard and the CPU Chip. The IC's printing comes off and become brittle. I have a temperature and voltage monitoring system software and Physical CPU Thermometer and Voltage Meter, so it is very usable if you use those both. But the big problem is the temperature not the voltage. Over-Hot or Over-Cold can have huge effect in your processor and some of your hardwares' ICs while overclocking. I don't say one of the problem is the voltage because we got Voltage Regulator/Stabilizer. Only wrong voltage tweaking can be lethal to the processor. According to the Mechanical Pencil Trick, some sort of DELLs have different sort of switch that you can be bridge by that trick. Different DELL can be different methods of bridging the L1 or Voltage switch. One of my friend done it with his Intel Pentium 4, but the processor passed out after 5 or 6 months after he overclock it with that trick. Oh! By the way. about my question that you didn't answer: * About the video, why didn't they use even a dry ice or a liquid nitrogen to cool-up their processor? |
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