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BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by on 2007-03-24 04:19:54 (edited 2007-03-28 05:30:10)
COUNTING:

ENGLISH - JAPANESE

One - Ichi
Two - Ni
Three - San
Four - Shi ; Yon
Five - Go
Six - Roku
Seven - Hichi ; Nana
Eight - Hachi
Nine - Kyu
Ten - Jyuu

Hundred - Hyaku
Thousand - Sen
10 Thousand up - Man
100 Million - Oku

COUNTING WITH TENS, HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS and TEN THOUSAND UP:

EXAMPLE:

TENS:
      11 = Jyuu + Ichi = Jyuu ichi
      14 = Jyuu + Yong = Jyuu yon
      17 = Jyuu + Nana = Jyuu nana
      19 = Jyuu + kyu = Jyu ku

      20 = Ni + Jyuu = Ni jyuu

      24 = [Ni + Jyuu] + Yon = Ni jyuu yon
      27 = [Ni + Jyuu] + Nana = Ni jyuu nana
      29 = [Ni + Jyuu] + Kyu = Ni jyuu ku

HUNDREDS:
      101 = Hyaku + Ichi = Hyaku ichi
      104 = Hyaku + Yon = Hyaku yon

      117 = Hyaku + [Jyuu + Nana] = Hyaku jyuu nana

      129 = Hyaku + [Ni + Jyuu] + Kyu = Hyaku ni jyuu ku

      205 = [Ni + Hyaku] + Go = Ni hyaku go

THOUSANDS:
      1001 = Sen + ichi = Sen ichi or Issen
      1018 = Sen + [Jyuu + Hachi] = Sen jyuu hachi
      1289 = Sen + [Ni + Hyaku] + [Hachi + Jyuu] + Kyu = Sen Ni hyaku Hachi jyuu ku

      2249 = [Ni + Sen] + [Ni + Hyaku] + [Yon + Jyuu] + Kyu = Ni sen Ni hyaku Yon jyuu ku

TEN THOUSANDS:
      10,001 = [Ichi + Man] + Ichi = Ichi man ichi
      10,025 = [Ichi + Man] + [Ni + Jyuu] + Go = Ichi man Ni jyuu go
      10,156 = [Ichi + Man] + hyaku + [Go + Jyuu] + Roku = Ichi man Hyaku Go jyuu roku

      26,559 = [Ni + Man] + [Roku + Sen] + [Go + Hyaku] + [Go + Jyu] + Kyu = Ni man Roku sen Go hyaku Go jyuu ku


*NOTE: There are some numbers that needs to be replaced, especially with 4 and 7.*
*NOTE: When it reaches at TENS position, you must use "Yong" for 4 and "Nana" for 7.*
*NOTE: Add first all the digits inside the bracket before pronouncing.*
*NOTE: Commonly, Millions are not used by Nihonjin*


*wait for more discussions^,^*




This post has been edited by
YoSHiKuNi MiCHiYo 「吉国三千代」
on 24 March 2007
at 02:04:37 Gendou time.



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Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by クラッシワヤー(CrazzyWarrior) on 2007-03-24 17:20:12 (edited 2007-03-24 18:06:22)
I have always seen 万 as man, I have never seen it as mang, and it wouldent be romanized as such, mangu with the u being very soft, but still thats not ten thousand from my studies.

also you dont have to say ichi before man, just like you dont have so say ichi before juu(10) or hyaku(100) or sen(1000), it is implied that man means 10 thousand, adding ni/sen/yon/ect + man does change it from 10 to 20/30/40 repectfully.

thats all I noticed on a quick observation of this, hope that helps.


ok, looked over again, sorry but got to fix this so people dont get it wrong.

COUNTING:

ENGLISH - JAPANESE

One - Ichi
Two - Ni
Three - San
Four - Shi ; Yon
Five - Go
Six - Roku
Seven - Shichi ; Nana
Eight - Hachi
Nine - Kyu ; Ku (aditional pronounciation both are correct)
Ten - Juu

Hundred - Hyaku
Thousand - Sen
10 Thousand up - Man
Million - Ooku *O-ku* I dont know about this I havent encountered this at all so I dont know)

COUNTING WITH TENS, HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS and TEN THOUSAND UP:

EXAMPLE:

TENS:
11 = Juu + Ichi = Juuichi
14 = Juu + Yon = Juuyon
17 = Juu + Nana = Juunana
19 = Juu + kyu/ku = Juuku

20 = Ni + Juu = Nijuu

24 = [Ni + Juu] + Yon = Nijuuyon
27 = [Ni + Juu] + Nana = Nijuunana
29 = [Ni + Juu] + Kyu/ku = Nijuuku

HUNDREDS:
101 = Hyaku + Ichi = Hyakuichi
104 = Hyaku + Yon = Hyakuyon

117 = Hyaku + [Juu + Nana] = Hyakujuunana

129 = Hyaku + [Ni + Jyu] + Kyu/ku = Hyakunijuuku

205 = [Ni + Hyaku] + Go = Nihyakugo

THOUSANDS:
1001 = Sen + ichi = Senichi
1018 = Sen + [Juu + Hachi] = Senjuuhachi
1289 = Sen + [Ni + Hyaku] + [Hachi + Juu] + Kyu/ku = SenNihyakuHachijuuku*

2249 = [Ni + Sen] + [Ni + Hyaku] + [Yon + Juu] + Kyu/ku = NisenNihyakuYonjuuku

TEN THOUSANDS:
10,001 = Man + Ichi = Manichi
10,025 = Man + [Ni + Juu] + Go = ManNijuugo
10,156 = Man + hyaku + [Go + Juu + Roku = ManHyakuGojuuroku

26,559 = [Ni + Man] + [Roku + Sen] + [Go + Hyaku] + [Go + Juu] + Kyu/ku = NimanRokusenGohyakuGojuuku

wow, that took a bit. I want to note that you put 9 as kyu every time and said that the combined with the numbers it would be ku with the exception of where i put the *. I added the note about kyu/ku. So um yea. sorry but had to do that so those learning dont get the wrong information.



Also I want to note some exceptions to the pronounciation of some of the words

300 is San Byaku, 600 is Roppyaku, 800 is happyaku.
3000 is San Zen, 8000 is Hassen.


Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by rokuemon on 2007-03-24 18:02:00
I don't want to get into the debate about romanization, I understand what Ichvon is trying to do with her/his (どちら? ごめん) style of romaji, how useful some people will find it, I don't know.

However, CrazzyWarriorさん, I believe the point of writing 万(萬 is the form used in legal documents, by the way, CW) as "mang" (ん = ng) is to show that ん is different from "n" in that has a "nasal/palate" sound a little like ñ in mañana in Spanish. You can hear this often in a word like　すみなせん which sounds a little like "sumimaseng". It's more obvious in some word combinations and with some speakers more than others. Technically ん also has a full mora value, but in most normal speech it sticks to the syllable before it. Also, listen to casual うん (yeah).


Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
ah, my bad, i was looking at the wrong kanji when i copied it, wasent paying attention, i ment to put 万, sorry.

And even with sumimasen, I dont say it with the g sound nor have I heard it with the g sound on it.


Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-24 18:15:34 (edited 2007-03-24 18:19:51)
Crazy, 万 is the most common form of man.

百万 (hyaku man) would be a million.
å„„ (oku) would be 100 million.
多く (ooku) is a completely different word

Other note:
21586 (ni man issen go hyaku hachi juu roku)
One can use issen to say 1,000 in the thousands catagory for numbers over 10 thousand.

Edit: whoops, stepped away and you all got posts in before me.
Edit2: the "ng" merely is to note that the ん is a full mora sound. You don't necessarily here a "g" sound in there, the pronunciation is just slightly different than those in the な行.

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
haha Isaac-san, yea I had looked at the wrong kanji, and corected it. sorry everyone. im still learning aswell and do make mistakes.


Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-24 18:21:23
Yeah, that's cool, just pointing it out like I'd want any of my mistakes to be pointed out. Didn't think I'd get outposted by you two there while I stepped away for a sec though.

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Yea, if i make mistakes I want to know. And sometimes one second can make a difference, but its cool. thanks.


Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by on 2007-03-25 02:41:44
Thanks for the correction Crazy warriors!^,^

but man is not commonly used as "man" only....
you must put a certain number in front
to emphasize the count of a number...

eventhough "man" is known to be 10,000
you cant say that 10,001 is "manichi"...
you can ask a Japanese for this one...
but i would say that 10,001 is Ichi Man Ichi...

Im still a beginner...maybe...but i cant be wrong
with this one...and the juu...

its not juu but its jyuu...i have edited my post
for the G...sorry bout that^^;



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Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-25 08:30:58
"Juu," and "jyuu" are the same thing, just a different romanization style. Both mean: じゅう.

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by 聖竜 on 2007-03-27 18:13:46
「eventhough "man" is known to be 10,000
you cant say that 10,001 is "manichi"...
you can ask a Japanese for this one...
but i would say that 10,001 is Ichi Man Ichi...」

I'm pretty sure you can say 千二十二 (Sennijuuni) without adding a 一.

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Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-27 20:12:43
I'm fairly sure people tend to not add 一 in front of 千, but do tend to say 一万 rather than just 万.

To me if you do the opposite, it tends to sound unnatural, and a bit odd.

Anyways, you still have oku listed as a million, which isn't correct. Oku, as I mentioned above, is 100 million.

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by on 2007-03-28 05:29:41
yup thats true Isaac...man is not used as man only..
but in sen you can say it without adding "one".

I dont know how did Japanese came up with that way
of counting...well atleast, sen is sen while man
cannot be say as man only...

wah!...got another mistake! sorry and thanks Isaac!^^

by the way are you A Japanese? im really curious bout
you...^^



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Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-28 07:50:08 (edited 2007-03-28 07:51:03)
Just a student of the language. (With too much free time on his hands)

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by on 2007-03-28 17:22:43
wahhhhh......
[Just a student of the language. (With too much free time on his hands)]

did you just say "just", so you mean that your not just studying Japanese?

and holy....i wish i could also have that FREE TIME....ahhh~~~~~~ ~_~



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Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-29 07:23:38
When I said Just I meant "simply, only, no more than, merely."

So: 日本人じゃない。ただ日本語を勉強していますよ。
と言う意味だ

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by on 2007-03-29 16:54:56
ummm~~~~~~ *didn't get what Isaac want to say*

but your good in Japanese ^^ and I can say that
for myself....so from what country are you from?



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Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by アイザック (Isaac) on 2007-03-29 18:19:52
"I'm not Japanese. I'm just studying Japanese."

I'm American.

Re: BASICS OF JAPANESE 3:
Link | by on 2007-03-30 06:08:41
wahhhh~~~~so your an american...^^ why not have a vacation here?

not my expense ok!^^;



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