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I was in the release candidate program for a while but my printer quit working so I had to re-install XP. The OS is in some ways, a step forwards but in most ways, several steps back like introducing more restrictive "copyright protection" that prevents you from burning the music THAT YOU PAID FOR to an unlimited number of discs. I tend to keep my music for a while so it is a pain in the ass to have to deal with copyright protection. I pirate my music specifically BECAUSE there is no copyright protection. The other steps back in Vista are massive compatibility problems, even for a release candidate, it was horrid, it wouldn't allow my antivirus to update and it has little fault tolerance. I tried installing Outpost Firewall and after I rebooted to finish the installation, I COULDN'T REBOOT. I had to reboot in Safe mode, and uninstall the firewall and yes, I disabled Windows firewall. The area where it does excel is having fewer crashes that take down the entire OS and the desktop search makes things a lot easier and then the change to the start menu is a welcome one and the media center is okay but it causes your CPU usage to spike when you author DVDs and I have a Pentium 4 with SMT and it is still spiking. It is more performance greedy than the conversion utility in VLC media player. All in all, with it's development time, I think that it should be more polished than this and have better compatibility.
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Re: Vista
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That OS is the only one I can think of that actually makes me noxious when I think about running it. I'd rather have DOS, I really would. I'm sure there are upsides somewhere, but I really don't think they outweigh the sheer amount of resource abuse running this system entails.
>,>; Did I just say that...?
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Re: Vista
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XP already having problems...and here comes VISTA...i'd reccomend you to use UBUNTU....much more user friendly then XP or VISTA... ps what i think about VISTA: V irus I ntruders S pywares T rojans A dwares conclusion...don't buy VISTA |
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I would use Linux if I didn't have 56K. It is a pain in the ass to get it set up and my ISP is a complete turd unless you are using their software to connect. I hate XP because of it's performance greed. I did a test to see how greedy XP was, the two PCs that I used were a machine with a Pentium 4 with SMT, 1GB of RAM, a 256 MB GPU, and an eighty gig hard drive running Windows XP home and the other machine had a 233MHZ Cyrix M2-333 CPU, 256MB of RAM, integrated graphics, and a 3 GB hard drive running Ubuntu 5.10. The results, the machine with the Cyrix processor was faster than the machine running XP. It ran comfortably, it was responsive, and it crashed less. I can only imagine the kind of speed that I would have gotten if I had Xubuntu. Well, it isn't just you that Vista scares the hell out of, it also scares the shit out of some Cisco systems execs, Symantec, and pretty much everybody involved in networking and computer security. Vista lagged horribly. That is awful when you consider that I was running it on a month old PC. Another thing that I am wondering about is WHY THE HELL CAN YOU USE AERO GLASS DURING THE INSTALLATION WITHOUT A HIGH END GPU BUT NOT DURING NORMAL USE!!! You can move the windows during the installation and not during the normal use. On reasonable processors, you should at least be allowed to enable transparencies and to add to my list of qualms with Vista, the advisor for XP tells me that my GPU won't work with Vista despite their website confirming that it would work and Nvidia's website listing it as being capable of Aero glass. If I buy the final version of Vista, I will be pissed off if the OS doesn't recognize my GPU as capable of running Aero Glass. The XP interface is shitty. I am desperate for Aero Glass because I get all of this f***king tearing.
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Re: Vista
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To twoface: Why don't you make another partition so you don't have to re-install WInXP? If you get it in full pack(with the customer's guide book), read it. Or search in the Microsoft's Site. To Kay, if you were saying Vista is bad, now tell me. Which OS is better, Windows, Mac, Linux, or Sun Solaris? Also, tell me why is Linux and Ubuntu is better beside answers like, it's open-source, free, stable, safe, and it is kinda cute? If you can answer these questions, I'll have my thumbs up for you. The codename's r3ck0rd. Find me in my Facebook Profile Page, or in my blog.
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Re: Vista
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What reasons do you need besides it's free, stable, and safe? Those are pretty convincing imho.
>,>; Did I just say that...?
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Re: Vista
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on 2006-11-30 22:42:23 (edited 2006-12-01 03:47:29)
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@calvin, let's see...linux is... 1)flexible (due to its easy to use CLI) 2)does not use up too much resources like windows 3)doesn't get attacked by spyware, adwares and virusus as easily as windows. heck, you don't even need to install an anti-virus software in linux! 4)fast (doesn't lag as much as windows, i need to restart my WinXP notebook everyday after 24 hours of use, but i simply need to restart my Ubuntu desktop[note: it's using a pentium 2 processor] once every 2 to 3 days) 5)when you ask for help in linux problems, you're more than welcome to ask, but when asked for windows, the customer care service will put you on hold for...let's see...half an hour (drat...that wasted alot of my money on phone bills) 6)when you install Ubuntu, you'll need about 1.2 gigs of hdd space. but windows needs more than 4 gigs 7)learn more about linux via IRC any other reasons you need? i've been using windows for more than 6 years...and i'm very unsatisfied with it...but i used Linux for only a year...heck, i became a linux junkie in one night! |
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1) well Windows XP is flexible enough. What is the significant diffrence? 2) Windows won't use up up too much resources if you don't have many processes running! 3) I've said that before: Linux is safe. And, do you know the other reason why Linux is safe? Because about 66% of people in the world use Windows so hackers aren't very interested to hack Linux PC! And Windows become unsafe because the brainware is having a screwup... 4) See point 4. And, I've said Linux is stable enough. 5) Don't you know there's a customer service online in the internet? Search the Microsoft. Not enough for you? You can find a people who can help you and chat with you in IM. People from Microsoft(On the Support forum) are recommended. 6) Open-source (free) software is simple but complex. It'll save your space. So, this reason already in my reasons of Linux is an opensource OS. 7) You've said it in your point 5. Also, I think simple guides packed in the OS and guides from the sites and forums is fine. Windows do. And, I do not recommend IRC anymore because it is not safe. Because people will know your IP from rightclick>whois. Proxy eh? They could get records from the proxy machines too! I'm not satisfied on working with Windows either. I'm using it because my father does. I'm currently use Linux too, distro: SuSE Linux. Wins from ubuntu because of it's programs bundled in it. And you haven't tell me the answer for the first question. I'm sorry if you felt offended. The codename's r3ck0rd. Find me in my Facebook Profile Page, or in my blog.
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Re: Vista
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on 2006-12-01 07:45:09 (edited 2006-12-01 07:48:19)
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which OS is better? you can stike off Windows and Solaris from the list. Mac OS X is good, i've heard good things about it. but Linux is the better one of the four 2) Windows won't use up up too much resources if you don't have many processes running! is running 32 processes too much? cause it's pretty common to be running 32 processors...but 32 processes and 58% cpu usage...hmmm...(when not running any software that is)[running an intel celeron M with 512MB of ram] 3) I've said that before: Linux is safe. And, do you know the other reason why Linux is safe? Because about 66% of people in the world use Windows so hackers aren't very interested to hack Linux PC! And Windows become unsafe because the brainware is having a screwup... there is linux viruses lurking around but not as many as Windows...i'd say there's less than 50 known Linux viruses around. reason why there aren't many linux viruses is that...too lazy to explain...read this if you're interested.(and thinking just because there's more Windows user than linux user is a little one sided, the article will explain that) 4) See point 4. And, I've said Linux is stable enough. what i view as stable: the distribution,and the programs included with it,run without (many) errors (and if errors do occur,they are handled gracefully, and with user-friendly, informative messages(not cryptic type of message)...true for linux...but Windows gives me hexs when an error occured...giving me a really hard time to troubleshoot. but when i meant it doesn't lag, it means that it doesn't slow down too much, like opening FireFox in linux and the browser opens like the PC had just rebooted, but in WinXP...i'll have to wait for a few moment(or make a cup of coffee) before the browser appears(even after rebooting) 5) Don't you know there's a customer service online in the internet? Search the Microsoft. Not enough for you? You can find a people who can help you and chat with you in IM. People from Microsoft(On the Support forum) are recommended. if i don't have to wait for so long just to get a reply that is...but these days, i troubleshoot my problems by myself...i don't ever wanna ask for help from the support team again 6) Open-source (free) software is simple but complex. It'll save your space. So, this reason already in my reasons of Linux is an opensource OS. not all open-source software save space, but i see what you're trying to say, 7) You've said it in your point 5. Also, I think simple guides packed in the OS and guides from the sites and forums is fine. Windows do. And, I do not recommend IRC anymore because it is not safe. Because people will know your IP from rightclick>whois. Proxy eh? They could get records from the proxy machines too! IRC? don't even talk about IRC!!!*runs around pulling his hair(not really)* anyways...we're getting way out of topic here... |
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which OS is better? you can stike off Windows and Solaris from the list. Mac OS X is good, i've heard good things about it. but Linux is the better one of the four If you want to go deeper, you'll find that the "penguin family" is on the runner-up place. --- is running 32 processes too much? cause it's pretty common to be running 32 processors...but 32 processes and 58% cpu usage...hmmm...(when not running any software that is)[running an intel celeron M with 512MB of ram] --- hm... don't calculate the number of processes... I see you're smart. So you know which one you have to calculate. --- there is linux viruses lurking around but not as many as Windows...i'd say there's less than 50 known Linux viruses around. reason why there aren't many linux viruses is that...too lazy to explain...read this if you're interested.(and thinking just because there's more Windows user than linux user is a little one sided, the article will explain that) --- Yes that's what I mean... --- IRC? don't even talk about IRC!!!*runs around pulling his hair(not really)* --- ??? --- anyways...we're getting way out of topic here... --- Ok yes... let's stop this... I forgot I'm in someone's thread... The codename's r3ck0rd. Find me in my Facebook Profile Page, or in my blog.
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My preferance is Mac OS X. Just for laughs, go to macboy.com/switch and watch the Bill Gates switch parody and Big switch. You will die laughing. I have Linux installed on one of my PCs but I don't feel like buying a hardware modem to be able to get online in Linux or buying another hard drive to fit the Linux partition. I will probably buy a Mac Mini to go along my XP machine. It was just humiliating how much faster a Unix like OS is when compared to XP. I am watching Revolution OS right now. It is about how the open source movement is whittling away at Microsoft's monopoly. To answer CalvinLimuel, I believe that there are nine known viruses for Linux. One of those is a joke. Literally, it was made just to show that Linux has vulnerabilities. Vista had major problems with performance greed and Defender was an utter piece of shit. Why the hell doesn't it allow you to set it to delete tracking cookies, let alone scan for and delete them. It also lacks the ability for you to set an automatic action for certain apps. It is irritating. I have this app that has spyware like behavior but the app is annoying anyways so I just disable it but it won't allow me to set it to do that automatically, it hounds me whenever I start up my ISP software. Vista for businesses was released yesterday. All in all, Vista is an improvement over XP but it is barely anything in comparison to Linux. The improvements that Linux and other competing OSes have made are massive and they have released new (and actually improved) versions like hotcakes but Microsoft has sat on their ass until they have some substancial competition like Linux and the other Unix-like OSes.
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Re: Vista
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OK, this is for once and for all. I don't know how many people have even had the chance to try Vista once, much less actually use it every day, but there seems to be a plentiful few who seem to know how much better Linux is than Vista. I don't claim to be some sort of Linux expert or anything, but I've used it for various things for about 9 months now and it is a very good system if you can manage to get it to do what you want it to, which is about 85% of the time for me. I have been using Vista as my primary OS for the past month. It has been interesting learning how to use it and finding out the differences, improvements, and regressions. What I do know for sure is that Vista has made leaps and bounds since XP towards many of the security features that Linux makes use of and even goes beyond Linux on a few overzealous occasions. From the new security measures that I have seen, Vista will have to jump through a lot of hoops to be made vulnerable to the existing base of XP viruses. There is no cure for a stupid user, and if you really want to (or just kept mindlessly ignoring the prompts), you could most definitely install viruses in Vista. The real point is that it would be difficult for any sort of XP virus to get into your system without your knowledge. Most of the time it is very obvious that it is superior to XP in many ways, but in a few occasions it will run into troubles of its own. I don't hold this against it because XP was the same way when compared to 2k and most people agree that XP was the better OS. If I were to really go over all the improvements and little touches that have been made it would take me forever, but I will leave you with the thought: I will make no judgement as to whether either Vista or Linux is better, because it all comes down to what you want to use it for. I think they are both very good operating systems and I would recommend either one to you before I would XP. |
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Re: Vista
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The technologies that Vista has have been around for ages. It isn't an innovation if another OS had them since it's creation thirteen years ago. There is already malware for Vista like Blue Pill which is theoretically, impossible to detect since it uses a hypervisor to disguise it as another OS. There is also a way around the kernel protection that Micro$oft hasn't patched yet so those prompts could be useless and don't forget, you will be a larger target for rootkits. The largest regression would be the extreme performance greed and bloat. MS needs to try to make Vista smaller. They could try to meet or exceed standards like bring the rendering engine of IE up to specs and try to improve WMP too. It also wouldn't kill them to allow you to playback FLAC files. I was able to have much more success with Linux than you were psoplayer, did you have problems with dependancies? When I get another hard drive, I will probably try to get my hands on a Xubuntu bittorrent and setup a dual-boot configuration. I had a swarm of difficulties with Vista, mostly with the XP software working correctly like my antivirus despite running it with administrative priviliges. I tried to reset my file associations from within foobar2000 audio player and it wouldn't allow me to, it gave me errors about lacking administrative priviliges but I WAS RUNNING IT WITH ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHTS. Right now, I am dealing with the upgrade advisors since I am having more crashes from XP every day and I am trying to get a straight answer from the upgrade advisors because I have a problem, my GPU meets the requirements for running Aero glass, it is listed as supporting Aero glass on Nvidia's website, Dell's upgrade advisor says that it will run Aero glass but Microsoft's upgrade advisor tells me that it won't run Aero glass. Am I the only one who is puzzled? It says that my GPU will work but not display in Aero glass and Microsoft had it listed on the list of GPUs that will support Aero glass. Now excuse me will I try to find some way to get Micro$oft's tech support to tell me which upgrade advisor is right without charging me money since it is likely that their software f***ed up.
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Re: Vista
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[OffTopic] @psoplayer: Well, I suggest you not to use Vista as your primary OS. Because it'll expire on June 1st, 2007. @twoface: The best way to know it is make a new partition, and install your Vista (try RC1 first) in that partition. The codename's r3ck0rd. Find me in my Facebook Profile Page, or in my blog.
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I know it will expire, and by that time I will either revert back to XP or have bought the final version of Vista (the more likely course of action). Since I am a comp sci major at my school, I can get some Microsoft software at madly discounted rates (think 90% off), so I'm hoping vista will join the titles I can buy there. And don't try RC1. I tried it. It sucked major balls. RC2 is the first release that Vista stopped completely sucking and started to contend with XP. |
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I already have used RC1. I used it as my primary OS for a month and I couldn't get RC2 because M$ wouldn't let you order the DVD. I would hate to have to download Vista through 56K. I don't really applaud MS for it's new security features because of two reasons, 1. IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME and 2. The features that they are implementing have been around for ages. MS should try originality and try to create an experience that is different. Do me a favor, name one new innovation in Vista that is Microsoft's own and Aero glass doesn't count because it is just a slightly looking better interface and that feature that allows you to look at live thumbnails has been in the browser Opera for ages. I am having a problem with their upgrade advisor now because I bought a new graphics card after re-installing XP, I am getting multiple answers as to whether or not my GPU will support Aero Glass. It meets the system requirements and according to Dell and Nvidia, it will run Aero but according to the upgrade advisor from MS, it won't. I do have 1GB of RAM and meet every requirement including GPU requirements and according to the upgrade advisor, my GPU will work with Vista but not display in Aero.
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Re: Vista
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on 2006-12-10 19:14:17 (edited 2006-12-10 19:17:04)
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Windows Vista is the worst OS I've ever try (2nd is ME). Microsoft made Vista for 5 years but even time can't improve it's effectiveness. Vista have many disadvantages than advantages. Microsoft improve the security and anti-piracy, but they sacrifice all other important features of a good Operating System. And the hard disk requirement is a pain. Try to read this, I just get it from http://www.associatedcontent.com/ (hey I don't own this article I just get it from that site) Here are the top ten reasons to not buy Microsoft Windows Vista: 10. It's Microsoft. Yes, it's a lame reason, and that's why it's number ten. But Microsoft's history is plagued with many issues in their products, especially when released, and though I don't hate Microsoft, caution is necessary when getting something with the MS on it. 9. Microsoft Windows Vista is irritating – You know how seems cool in the beginning becomes bothersome very quickly? That's exactly the case with Microsoft Windows Vista. With endless advice from the OS, and all the automatic stuff that you're just informed of, Microsoft Windows Vista is not something that an experienced user will like very much. Yes, it's great for people just being introduced to computers, but Microsoft Windows Vista is rather in-the-way for people who are already well versed with computers. On top of that, it's harder to get in and tinker with the settings manually which makes life miserable for someone like me who likes to know EVERYTHING in my machine and not just the surface. 8. It's expensive – Even in a consumer driven society that we live in, Microsoft Windows Vista might make some people reconsider with it's high costs. Throwing away $300 on a OS is not what most people are okay with, and neither should you. 7. It is massive. Bigger is better only when talking about gaming environments, not when talking about software that eats up chunks of your hard-drive. Microsoft Windows Vista, it is indicated, will be between 3 and 5 GB. Other than the fact that it'll take up a ton of space, it also means that the loading times and re-installation, if required, with be a pain. 6. It has many compatibility issues - Microsoft Windows Vista might do what Windows XP did in the beginning. A large number of games and CDs may not (and some will not) work with Microsoft Windows Vista. 5. It has even more vulnerabilities – Microsoft Windows Vista will, if the demo patches are something to go buy, make it easier for hackers to get into the system. This is primarily because of the massive size of the program and the fact that it needs to carry the baggage of all the previous Windows systems too. While Microsoft Windows Vista also has many more tools to get rid of spyware and such, it's still a headache. 4. Most of the Microsoft Windows Vista programs are easily available – Many of the added features that Microsoft Windows Vista makes available can be downloaded or bought online easily without hurting your pocket. You don't need to upgrade to Microsoft Windows Vista to take advantage of these programs. 3. It requires immense system resources - Microsoft Windows Vista will need even more system resources than all the other Windows programs before it. Many people will need to upgrade the hardware on their computer, and some might even need to buy new computers all together. Microsoft Windows Vista is not worth shelling out another couple hundred bucks on top of it's cost to be able to use it. 2. You can't take the full benefits of it - Microsoft Windows Vista is designed for the highest of the high end users. Even if you have an Alienware high end computer, you'll need tons of added hardware to take full advantage of all that Microsoft Windows Vista has to offer. Unless you have hundreds to thousands to shell out, or a computer years ahead of itself already, you can safely ignore Microsoft Windows Vista. This hardware is not just system resources, but additional stuff such as card readers and dual monitor support Video display cards. 1. You don't need it. Yup, that's the biggest reason of them all. Nothing new has happened. Everything is same under the sun. You're doing okay with your XP, or even your Windows 98 SE. Stick with it. There's nothing in Microsoft Windows Vista that makes it absolutely necessary to your technological survival. Better to stick to Windows XP for people who are expert using Windows OS or go to Linux Ubuntu for Linux users. If you like Vista, wait for months or years to get its 3rd or 5rd Service Patch. |
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on 2006-12-10 19:29:58
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1. actually you will be needing it in the near future. 2. The system requirements arent a pain (not if you prepared) 3. your hard drive should be pretty big (big enough for vista) now a days (i cant say money issue because it is pretty expensive) but im getting it free with my A+ certification  |
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Vista is dreadful because of the large price tag and as Ruy Lopez pointed out, you can get almost all of the features for nothing. They show off WMP11 and Windows Defender but they are already available for XP plus a glitch that I encountered with the Upgrade Advisor. My GPU supports Vista and has twice the requirements for running Aero Glass but it won't recognize that so if I get Vista, I probably won't be able to run Aero Glass. If I get Vista and this happens, send my greetings to Bill. I hope that MS decides to release a program that allows you to rip out Windows Explorer and replace it with the faster 95 explorer and cuts the bloat. I am using a lot of my hard drive space so as you can imagine, I will be buying a larger hard drive. I am planning on trying out Haiku OS on one of my machines so that I can compare it's multimedia capabilities against Vista and if it is good (for an alpha), I will download the beta and then the final version of it. RC1 had more bugs than any beta that I have ever tried.
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Re: Vista
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on 2006-12-11 00:05:03 (edited 2006-12-11 00:09:25)
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Mesousa_san: 1. I don't need it. Because Windows Vista is like Windows XP ++++... Yeah, it has more features but you can get those features from the internet (sometimes for FREE). Vista is like a Patch and Patch and Patch for the OS that Microsoft released. If you just try to use Microsoft DOS Shell (2.0, 3.1, 3.11), Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, I choose Vista to be the most worst OS that Microsoft ever develop. If the 3rd or 5th Service Pack was release, I think it will minimize the problem, but it doesn't totally improve that OS. 2. I have a 200 GB 7200rpm Segate Baracuda SATA Hard Disk, a 3.8 Intel Pentium 4 Processor, and a 3 GB RAM. I'm always prepare and I just twick my CPU to the MAX performance, but Windows VISTA is not that impressive to me. Hard Disk=Pain, Speed=Painfull, Price=Ouch!, Installation=DOG BITES, Performance=DINO BITE! 3. I have 4 Operating System running in my other Computer (Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows 2003 Server), but it doesn't slow it down (My other PC have P4 2.0 GHz, 512RAM, and 80GB 5200rpm Hard Disk). After I install Windows VISTA, I compare those computers but the fastest was the one with P4 2.0GHz other than P4 3.8GHz. So I just Reformat it again and come back to UBUNTU. |
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