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Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by Kyo on 2006-07-25 20:21:27
is there any chance that human beings have Ki. or is that just a made up story.
has it been proven? or we just like to believe in it like we believe in
magic, angles, heaven, hell, god and other stuff.

can all of this be imaged by the human mind and was somehow people like
myself want to believe in Ki?

however there can be fire if there was smoke, where did all of this came from?

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by gendou on 2006-07-25 20:52:40
moved from physics topic. if you dare post mystical crap in that topic again, your forum privileges will be revoked permanently!

there is no such thing as spirit energy.
thousands of college studies have shown that there is zero statistical evidence for such a phenomena as the spirit, psychic powers, telepathy, etc.

mystical thought is a side-effect of our rational mind.
we have the ability (and yearning) to rationally explain things.
those which cannot be readily explained by known fact tend to become subject of superstitious thought.
the existence of a self is incredibly hard to rationally explain, so the "soul" sneaks in to fill the void in understanding.
the ending or nonexistence of the self is also terribly confusing in a rational sense, thus belief in "the afterlife".

coincidences are hard to accept.
humans wish to assign meaning or purpose to things, like tools and actions and words.
so, humans assign meaning to coincidences and fabricate "magic" and "supernatural beings with supernatural powers".


Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by hoheshii on 2006-07-25 22:52:26
The only energy in the human body is a miniscule amount of electricity that keeps our brains going.

Wise Man says: "Take a dog off its leash and it will wander."

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by Ai-chan on 2006-07-25 22:58:36
...now this reminds me of hunterxhunter.hihi


Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango on 2006-07-25 23:17:12
I don't believe in Ki either, but I thought people had an energy field, a very weak one, around their body? It's called an aura, and it is visible when you take those crazy pictures at the carnival? I remember this from a young age...

Hmmm, maybe if you could super-charge your aura somehow, and affect it's channel with your brain electricity, you could control soemthing like Ki? Ha, just an idea, no way to prove or create it though, and you would problaby die from that supercharged aura! XD Sounds like something good for science fiction though, which has a lot of fun stuff like that!


Gendou, I imagine you don't believe in ghosts and God then, but do you believe in the possibility of extraterrestriels (man, I think I spelled that wrong)? They are actually more scientiffically rational, I think, even though it's out there. XD

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by gendou on 2006-07-26 00:10:03 (edited 2006-07-26 00:10:53)
an ion is an atom or group of atoms that carries a positive or negative charge as a result of having lost or gained one or more electrons

in our bodies, there are ions produced for many bodily functions, such as neural (brain) activity, for example.
of course, everything around us contains ions as well.
when we walk on the carpet in socks, electrons are rubbed off onto our socks from the carpet.
the electrical field produced by a person's brain is, as has been said, miniscule.
electrical energy cannot produce organized mechanical movement directly.
for that, you need some kind of motor (example: muscle tissue or an electric motor).

besides, its easy to super-charged your electrical field (which is to say ionize many atoms in your body at once).
all you have to do is stick your finger in an electrical socket.
it will burn your flesh to black ash, but you will have one super-charged aura, thats for sure!

as for ghosts and gods, what you speak of are superstitious concoctions.
i do not feel it necessary to resort to mystical explanations for unexplainable (or hard to explain) things, such as ghostly hauntings, things that go bump in the night, the origin of the universe, and bad luck.
i am happy and comfortable relying on reason to explain these occurrences.

(Hover over above links to read my commentary)


Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango on 2006-07-26 00:18:35 (edited 2006-07-26 00:33:47)
So, do you believe in aliens, Gendou?

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-07-26 00:28:06
@Ai-Hime, it reminds me more of a Yu Yu Hakusho. They actually did use Spirit energy and what not.

Anyways, that's an anime, this is reality. Would be kinda cool though.

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Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by sai on 2006-07-26 02:10:46
Ki eh... I don't know if this is considered a ki or not, but there is a method of medication in my country or maybe there's one in china as well, where the doctor would just hover his hands on the patient's body and the patients say they felt like being lightly electrocuted... It's effective to cure light cancers, internal organ problems, or some problems in the muscles... Maybe that is the ion stuffs you guys were taliking about? The patients felt electrocuted after all... Maybe some humans can control the ions of their body without having to do what gendou said there...

Oh in some other case, my cousin's teacher can make a glass shatter without touching it, of course the witnesses are only my cousin and his friends...

But i'm sure that dark arts exist. In my country there are traditional places where you can practise dark arts with results such as invulnerability against sharp things and such. They said they gain it by meditating for a long time, restricting themselves from various acts, and all those rituals...

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by gendou on 2006-07-26 09:30:26
From what I understand, the probability of intelligent life evolving on other planets in the universe is very high.
However, the likelihood of such a race being close enough to ours in time and space to establish communication is very low.
Given this low probability, I feel very certain we (the human race, for as long as it exists) will not directly encounter alien life.
I do feel hopeful, however, that radio communication may be possible, and searching for such a signal is therefore a worthy venture.
Also, sending such a signal, even if we here no reply, is a worthy venture as well.
This is one area of study in which we have been selfish.
We setup radio telescopes to listen, but make little attempt to communicate out.
It would be very useful to send a radio transmitter out of our solar system.
Useful not to us, but to another form of life that might encounter it.
Voyager was good, but a craft which has a higher intensity transmission signal would be ideal.


Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by hoheshii on 2006-07-26 10:24:30
Actually, the possibility of other intelligent life isn't all that high.

Earth is an exception. It has a sun that isn't too big, and a large gas planet (Jupiter) to save it from being hit by space junk. About 95% of the stuff headed in earth's general direction is pulled by Jupiter's garivity field.

It also has an ideal atmosphere and is the perfect distance from the sun to allow growth of of plant and animal life.

The odds that another planet has life aren't as good as one might think they are, and the odds that there are aliens that could survive under our planetary conditions is even less likely.

Wise Man says: "Take a dog off its leash and it will wander."

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by sai on 2006-07-26 23:07:42
Well, different kinds of organisms might grow out there even with such a bad circumstances... There might be some life forms that can adapt to the harsh environment outside earth.

Engineer, by your post i assume that you think that every kind of intelligent life form should have attributes like us humans? And so they can't survive out there?

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by i_want_to_flirt_with_drunk_sango on 2006-07-27 01:07:42 (edited 2006-07-27 01:09:50)
Our life is carbon-based, right? So is it possible to have a lifeform based on another element, so that you could exist in a different environment?

Blaze Kyo, you should change the name of the thread to "Topics Innapropriate for Physics".

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by sai on 2006-07-27 01:34:18
Why not? We haven't find that out, right?

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by Ai-chan on 2006-07-27 11:40:58
@DANGEL hihi Yu Yu Hakusho *becomes nostalgic* yeah when talking about spirit energy reminded me of Yuusuke's power~


Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by hoheshii on 2006-07-27 11:48:13
No, I didn't say that. That's why I said it is extremely unlikely that other lifeforms could survive under our planetary conditions.

One big arguement is that 99% of planets are being barraged by space debris, that makes it difficult for anything to grow.

Wise Man says: "Take a dog off its leash and it will wander."

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by Mr. Dude on 2006-07-27 15:35:04 (edited 2006-07-27 15:43:07)
I guess given the circumstance, there could very well be a planet capable of supporting life. Even though the chances of it are very slim for a variety of reasons, considering the amount of stars in the universe number in the septillions (even in our galazy there are around 100-200 billion stars) there is a chance that some of the debris orbiting said stars could very well meet the conditions to support life (albeit maybe not as developed or intelligent as humans considering it took life billions of years to develop into what we are). Heck, if we are here, chances are there are others like us out there. It is nearly impossible that organisms from other planets could survive on our planetary conditions though considering how vast and vague circumstance can be.

I really don't think that we will ever be able to communicate with exterrestreal beings though (at least not in our lifetime) unless they live close to us. Considering that it would probably take a transmission signal about 5 years to reach Proxima Centauri, it would probably take it many many years to reach the nearest planetary system and so on. By the time it took the signal to reach the beings, we (and I mean our generation) will probably be long gone and the same thing goes for them. When you include other factors such as the universe expanding, wave disturbances, etc, it really just becomes a big damn headache.

You need a reason to be sad. You don't need a reason to be happy. The secret to happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible.

Re: Sprit Energy: Ki [Believe it or not?]
Link | by gendou on 2006-07-27 15:39:33 (edited 2006-07-27 15:44:35)
Actually, the possibility of other intelligent life isn't all that high.

You shoud site your source: Steven Hawking.
If you were to ask Carl Sagan, however, you may get a different answer.
If you are interesting in this topic, i suggest you read about the Drake Equation


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