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as a lesbian i have been in this debate many times. and if you observe, there is almost always one person who says they dont mind homosexuals except gay men. when it comes to marriage issues, the government is almost mad eup with these people who think girls are ok but not guys, if gay marriage became legal for women and not men, i would refuse to accept it until it was equal for both women and men gay or not, i dont want to be given a preference becaue of my sex, im in the same position and i am no better than a gay man but if i get priority over them becuse im female then that shows the people in this world who are corrupt. i say either let marriage be for everyone or for no-one. thats all i have to say |
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don't get me started on Gay Marriage and Gay rights, i'm doing the laramie project play right now, if you don't know what it is, i think it was HBO who made a great movie based on this script, rent it from BB or something. I think there should be no objections towards gays and lesbians, its a lifestyle, like being vegetarian. Would you condemn a vegetarian? why would you then condemn gays? Although i'm not gay, I would actually be complimented if a gay man came on to me, they have high standards. 
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if you're happy, it doesn't matter. but still, there are moral concerns... *blip*  *blip* |
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wedding - religion + alcohol = las vegas 
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| Let me get back on my sopa box again. I haven't been on the sit for a while so let's start back with one of my first posts. Gay people want the civil rights that come with marriages. They are afraid if they try and change the name that the government would also change some of the benefits. If you don't believe me talk to my gay friends. I'm comfortable enough to hang around them as they are just like the rest of us. Also, it's bad that these people keep talking about how sacred marriage is and how religious it is when we still have drive-thru marriage booths in California. It sickens me how the whole "marriage is sacred" issue isn't real big until gay people want to marry. What about Brittney Spears? She had a "religious" marriage when she should not have. What it comes down to is, we will never get rid of the "ism". What I mean is sexism, racism, ageism, and so on. These types of hate will always show up as much of America, and some of this world just doesn't accept differences. They want everyone to be like them, if not then those people are wrong. People just aren't open-minded. Some people are just shut in their own little world and don't want to accept that other people are different. Now I say some people, there are still a few that open-minded, just the majority is not. This is probably why gay marriage is still not passed here. Also if you read some of the posts below you meet some of the people. The ones saying "Gay people are nasty." and "They shouldn't marry bcause I'm a christian." Well how does you having to be a christian affect them? Why do thy have to listen to you? Believe me weddings lost their religious qualities a long time ago. They also lost a lot of their meanings and values. Some people uphold these valus and I salute them. As a whole though marriage is a mockery and we shouldn't shun people that want to do it for the right reasons and praise people that do it for the wrong reasons. Ok it's late and I'm tired, if I can think of more I will get back to you guys. |
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Crow, I still think this is a civil rights issue. I think gays may be afraid that civil unions would be considered "separate but equal" unions. This would be okay if we didn't already know that "separate but equal" in the eyes of the law is not equal. I wish I knew someone that was gay so I could ask their thoughts on the matter.  Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun. - Ash, Army of Darkness |
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| I agree oldcrow that's why I said they should just name it something else, it gets around all of that. |
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I'm not sure. Rather than pressing for civil unions with the same legal standing as a marriage (which I don't think the vast majority of Americans would have cared about) they have insisted upon trying to redefine marriage. I think this was a stupid decision on their part, as it needlessly antagonizes a huge number of people and basically gains them nothing.  |
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And what purposes are those? Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun. - Ash, Army of Darkness |
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This is not a civil rights issue at all. This is about gays wanting to redefine the ancient institution of marriage to suit their own purposes. |
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@Doraemon: I don't agree that the country is being run by the clergy. Public ratings serve a real purpose, and are not solely a by product of the church goers' influence. But thats another thread! You hit the nail on the head, though. The bottom line is human rights. It is truly a contradiction to say you don't discriminate on the basis of sex, while shunning at gay marriage. In the context of history, this is just another social hurtle we will overcome, like slavery and women's rights. Did people with black skin and women with equal rights ruin society? I don't think so. Will gay people take over and ruin society for the strait upper class church going white man? No, not likely.
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This entire topic is fascinating. In some southern counties it is still illegal for me to be married to my wife due to matters of written local law that go back to the 1960s. I know it's not the same thing but if you were to go back 50 years or so it would have been excactly the same. People were coming up with BS excuses ranging from health concerns to societal breakdowns for it back then too. The problem now is that there are places in America where laws are specifically being written to exclude people on the basis of their sexual preference and that is wrong because it denies a singled out group of people rights that everyone else enjoy freely. I'm not going to fall back on the separation of church and state argument because our government, whether we like it or not, is run by the clergy. I don't mean to sound like the Question but everything we have in America from the radio programs we listen to, the television shows we watch, and the CDs we buy are all monitored, rated, and approved before the public gets to see them. Though human rights issues regarding marriage are not specifically mentioned in the constitution it surprises me that a nation that is so dedicated to the preservation all types of human rights elsewhere can not find a place of agreement here on the issues of homosexual rights. These people have a right to whatever type of union they want and the benefits that accompany the union. If they want to call it marriage, how is it our right to stop them? Show me where it is our right to deny them the ability to call it marriage or to deny them the legal benefits that straight couples have. Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun. - Ash, Army of Darkness |
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by Ravensender
on 2005-10-10 18:42:37
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Don't gays realize that by entering a LEGAL marriage that the same rules apply, including messy divorce procedures. That might be a reason to consider a civil union. Also, to bring up another topic, the only reason I think people worry about gay people, especially when they are around children is because they think homosexuality is contagious, which why everyone freaks when they learn Bobby has two moms.
The end of the weekend is something that's inevitable... Like a test. Or the Apocalypse.
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| my thoughts on gay marriage and yeah i didn't read the posts. Lazy =P. Marriage is a union between man and woman. Gays and lesbians want a union then call it something else like man-merging or lesbo-linkup but just. Just call it something different and that should satisfy some fanatics. As far as having a religious wedding, that is pretty much up to the religious dogma. It shouldn't be a government matter. They should still have the same right to get half their crap taken in a divorce. It is constitutional and no they can't pass a law to get in banned because the supreme court can basically rule that law unconstitutional in judicial review. So everyone against same sex marriages in the government is fighting a losing battle that has no legs to stand on. the fight will move on and the terms will be made so all its gonna be is a time issue. |
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| Ouch, that was a low-blow for Americans and our lack of knowledge of the Constitution, Lady Rin. I'll give it to you, some of us have missed the target about gay marriage right and actual oppositions behind the topic, but in all fairness, for all the intelligent remarks and witty querks you've put to this site; It's a site for anime. A proper soap box is needed if you want to hit hard at a nation and it's people. |
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For some people, homosexuality is considered a disease. So it is unnatural. For others, homosexuality is considered a human right. So they fight for it. My view is, homosexuality is a human right. So i don't disagree with gay or lesbian marriage. But i'm afraid that this will somewhat influence their children's mental growth (they would not have both father and mother in the same time, either they have a female father, or a male mother). I think conservatives will oppose homosexuality.
God's in his heaven. All's right with the world.
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i dun really have any comment on this issue, what i heard from other people who are totally conservative is that they thought marriage is defined as between a man & a woman. they felt offended when there's gay marriage where both are actually, well same gendered. what i mean is, they think marriage is so sacred that gays dun deserve the rights to marry their partners. personally, i look at this issue from health perspective, not morally, to be fair. the relationship is dysfunctional physically & not to mention the STDs that such relationship might spread! but, however stastistics had showed that actually, there's no problem in gay marriage where they adopt children. the children grow like other ordinary kids & got no problems with their 'parents''s sexual orientation, so what's the fuss with other nosy people?  |
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I tnever was about love or marriage, it has always beem about the legal aspecs of a union. the problem here is you say 'marriage' and everybody get swept up in an emotional uproar over the marriage issue c=mpletely forgetting about the real issues. Should either one of us die the other has the right of survivorship and inheritance because we are a hetrosexual couple. If we were gay then ther is no right of survivorship and inheritance  |
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| Don't know about what shiriu said...I believe that they should be allowed to adopt children if they are allowed to be a couple. There are so many orphans out there, if people that can't have children (like gay couples) wants to adopt a child and properly raise them, it's cool by me. |
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| Wow, gay marriages, it seems everywhere I turn this issue turns up. I like Rin's statement. If two men or women want to get married that's fine. It should not be a marriage though. A civil union is the best way to solve the matter. Marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. Now I really don't mind if the have the civil unions(quite frankly I don't mind about marriages either, but that's a hard fight to win). Rin also brought about the benefits from marriage. Thank you so much, I have heard so many ignorant responses in my life about how, "If they love each other why do they need a piece of paper!", or "They can just be happy living together!" With marriage, comes benefits, it's not just a simple piece of paper that says I love you. Now I read somewhere down there that their is no love between two members of the same sex. That was kind of funny to read because they also said that a love between a man and woman had a point and that was reproduction. Yes because we need to reproduce. This world is not overpopulated enough. Let us make more and more children until this planet bursts. |