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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by kattdesu on 2007-07-10 19:03:58 (edited 2007-07-13 00:31:14)
@Cukime- They both mean the place toward which something is moving. They are interchangable. "In" or "at" is the equivalent in english according to my book, although I think "to" is a good english equivalent as well. I hope you can tell what I am saying and that it helps. Good luck!

Ex. Ano mise ni/e ikimasu.

( I am going in (or "to" I think) that store over there.)

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by on 2007-07-12 06:02:12
at a request i have also put the kanji in the vocab.　dont forget to take it a little at a time when learning. take it from me, if you stress yourself that will only make learning harder. i'm going to try to do kana/kata/kanji with all my romanji words.

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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by cukime on 2007-07-12 23:02:12
wow thank's for the reply.. i think i got new lesson now..
if i have another question, i will post it in here..
"put more and more lesson in here so i can be good in japanese" ^^

stupid person who wants to be useful for anyone

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by kattdesu on 2007-07-13 00:27:13 (edited 2007-07-13 00:30:39)
Okay people here we go...next lesson is...started...it is...

Verbs!!

Dai Nika (Lesson Two)

In Japanese verbs are the most imporatant part of the sentence. Often the Japanese leave out everything but the verb when speaking. Japanese is understood alot through implication, therefore it may be troublesome to try to understand a conversation without seeing the speaker's surroundings or knowing already whom or what they are talking about. Remember I said Japanese is verb conjugating in the first lesson. Well there are many different conjugations and uses for them.

Japanese verbs fall into two main groups, they are godan ("u") and ichidan ("ru") verbs. There are 2 highly irregular verbs that do not fall in these catagories. They are common use verbs, the verbs for "to come" and "to do". There are however more lesser known exceptions in lesser used words, these verbs usually mostly follow the paterns of one of the 2 main groups but with 1 small exception. These vebs are best learned as you come upon them. As I do not know them all I will not be listing them here, but please if you know even 1 share it here!!!

Okay, here I am going to post about the main patterns for both godan ("u") and ichidan ("ru") verbs and their differences. Also, the 2 common irregular verbs. Unfortunately, I have about 10 pages worth of charts and notes I have made on this but they will not scan onto my computer...so It will be a little while before I rewrite all the info. -_-'

Feel free to post your own notes on verbs!! As I will be awhile modifying all my notes into some sort of suitable post...

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by ameagor on 2007-07-13 08:03:59
lolz, sugoi no posto desune!
demo...eh to...
hajimemahite minna-tachi,onegaishimasu!
(i'll leave out the translation...)

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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by on 2007-07-13 08:40:14
Youkoso, ameagor_thenny-san!

And if I'm not wrong, "minna" already means "everyone", so you just need say "minna-san", 'kay?


Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by kattdesu on 2007-07-13 15:36:37
Youkoso ameagor san! Hajimemashite!

I believe that is correct as well Asder.

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by makachu on 2007-07-17 11:19:47 (edited 2007-07-17 11:26:09)
Well my names Diego I'm deeply interested in learning Japanese becouse
"I know Japanese" looks great on paper huh?
but i love anime GASP and really want to learn Japanese and ive been wanting to find something like this
thanks hope we learn a lot
any ay
watashi wa Diego desu
dozo yoroshiku
hajimemashite (i am meeting you for the first time) even though we are not really meeting

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by on 2007-07-17 12:09:45 (edited 2007-07-19 06:16:23)
Dai Nika part two




As Katt said there are three groups of verbs in Japanese - Irregular, Ichidan, and Yodan. Ichidan and Yodan verbs (all but TWO verbs) use the same verb endings, and you conjugate them the same way. However, there is a subtle difference between the two groups.

Irregular Verbs

Actually, there are only two.

suru - to do
kuru - to come

Ichidan Verbs

Verbs in this group end with -eru or -iru. Verbs from this group include:

deru - to go out
taberu - to eat
miru - to look, watch
ochiru - to fall

Yodan Verbs

This group contains every verb except for those that belong to the Irregular and Ichidan groups. Here you find your familiar -RU, -TSU, -U, KU, -GU, -SU, -BU, and -MU verbs.

au - to meet
tatsu - to stand
suwaru - to sit
hairu - to enter

There are some Yodan verbs that look a lot like Ichidan verbs. Be forewarned. ^_^ I would suggest copying this list down and putting it in a safe place. That way, when there's a verb that you aren't sure about, you can refer to this list! Some of these verbs don't belong in the "must learn" category, by the way.

I will now list them. Remember, these are Yodan verbs!

chiru - to fall, scatter
hairu - to enter
kiru - to cut
hashiru - to run
iru - to need
kaeru - to return
kagiru - to limit
keru - to kick
mairu - to come/go
nigiru - to grasp
shiru - to know

As you listen to Japanese more and become more familiar with it, you'll develop an ear for what "sounds" right.

Verb Endings

The basic verb endings (-ITA, -SHITA, -TTA, etc) have already been discussed. However, I thought I'd share with you the way I memorized them.

You simply memorize these 4 sentences - they are quite mesmerizing after a while! Then when you conjugate a verb, you just recite these sentences to yourself. It's a lot like the "ABC" song, because people often use that to remember the alphabet.

U TSU RU tta
MU NU BU nda
KU GU ita da
SU SHITA

By the way, have you noticed what all the verb endings have in common? "A" seems to mean past tense, and "E" is the here and now.

Useful Words

Nouns

mokuteki - intention, purpose
shitsumon - question
michi - road, path
kokoro - heart, spirit
isu - chair
soto - outside
uchuu - outer space
hate - end

Verbs

au - to meet
tatsu - to stand
suwaru - to sit
hairu - to enter
niau - to suit, look good on
deru - to go out
taberu - to eat
miru - to look, watch
ochiru - to fall
hajimaru - to begin

Misc

zutto - the whole time

Example Sentences

oneesan wa boku wo mite iru.
big sister (subject) I (who) looking
My big sister is watching me.

zutto matte ita no desu yo!
I've was waiting the whole time!

Note:
matte iru - is waiting

You can conjugate IRU like any other verb. -TA is the normal past ending for -RU verbs. Conjugating IRU in this way changes the meaning from "is waiting" to "was waiting". Isn't that going to come in handy!

kono isu ni suwatte ita.
this chair (location) was sitting
(He) was sitting in this chair.

soto e dereba ii desu.
outside (toward) if you go out, good is
It's ok to go outside.

ano mise ni haireba shinu zo.
that store (into) if you enter, die (rough ending)
If you enter that store, you'll die!

koko ni tatte kudasai.
here (location) stand please
Please stand here.

boku to au made, deru na.
I (with) meet until, go out (don't)
Don't leave until I can meet you.

Note:
deru na - don't go out
The "na" ending can be added to any verb to mean don't ____.
It's very abrupt, and only a male would ever use it.


(from Maktos 'Japanese is possible')

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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by on 2007-07-18 11:02:06
The way I memorized the endings is similar, but is based off of te form.
う　つ　る　| って
む　ぶ　ぬ　| んで
く　　　　　| いて
ぐ　　　　　| いで
す　　　　　| して
くる　　　　| きって
する　　　　| して


Also, for your example,

   ano mise ni haireba shinu zo.
   that store (into) if you enter, die (rough ending)
   If you enter that store, you'll die!

I don't think ba would be the proper ending for hairu, since ba usually denotes a positive outcome. I could be wrong.


Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by raitono on 2007-07-18 15:03:39
hajimemashite.
my name's Ben
I'm going to be in the ninth grade soon. In the middle of summer vacation.
I know a few things in japanese but not much. I'm hoping I can learn a lot more here.the only referance guide I have right now is a book called "Japanese for Dummies."
I frequently brag about knowing over 1000 words in japanese........999 of them are numbers........ :)

Some people are like slinkeys, they really aren't good for anything but still make you smile when you push them down the stairs:) Best quote eva: Be kind to nerd, chances are one day you'll be working for one. -Bill Gates

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by r3ck0rd on 2007-07-19 07:05:27 (edited 2007-07-23 05:14:04)
我の登場。。。
ware no toujou
My introduction...

こんにちは！ どうぞよろしくおねがいします。
konnichiwa! douzo yoroshiku onegaishimasu
Hello there! Nice to meet you all :)
我は林德耀です。
ware wa hayashi tokuyou desu.
我の英語名はカルヴィンです。
ware no eigomei wa karuvin desu.
My English name is Calvin.
十三歳です。
juusan sai desu
I'm thirteen years old.
中学二年生です。
chuugaku ni nen sei desu
I'm a student at 8 grade.
インドネシアに住んでいます。
indonesia ni sundeimasu
I'm live in Indonesia.

この日本語勉強クラブに立ち交じるが好き。
kono nihongo benkyou kurabu ni tachimajiru ga suki
I like to join this Japanese Language Learning club.

My Japanese aren't very good, but I'll try to contribute even a little here :) Please do correct my sentences if I did wrong .

どうもありがとうございます！
doumo arigatou gozaimasu!
Thank you very much!

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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by koyatogashi on 2007-07-20 07:23:14 (edited 2007-07-20 07:24:56)
Watashi no namae Kikaru desu(My name is Kikaru)
Dozo yoroshiku onegai shimasu(Nice to meet you all)

Not sure if i'm correct,I'm 21 this year,working and learning japanese too,I like to join this japanese language learning club^_^


Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by on 2007-07-20 15:10:31 (edited 2007-07-21 16:44:22)
Youkoso!
Kikaru, you forgot "wa" in your first sentence. Doesn't seem to matter much though...

And 林德耀, you have a mistake　in this sentence: 中学生二年です。(chuugaku sei ni nen desu)
I think it's supposed to be: 中学二年生です。(chuugaku ni nen sei desu)
And this sentence: この日本語勉強クラブに立ち交じるが好き。Not saying that it's wrong, but it makes it sound like what you like is something which is joining the club, not that you want to join the club... (well, at least to me...)


Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by Shen on 2007-07-21 12:10:47 (edited 2007-07-21 13:21:21)
What is 'He is the world champion' in jap?
I know world is sekai.

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by 聖竜 on 2007-07-21 15:10:11
@Link:

>>I don't think ba would be the proper ending for hairu, since ba usually denotes a positive outcome. I could be wrong.

It's haireba, a conditional.

Though in my opinion, 入ったら/haittara would fit more correctly. Not sure though, as I learned on TJP tara has a meaning of not set in stone while eba does.

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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by wakka9ca on 2007-07-22 10:17:39
Pay attention to the transitive and intransitive verbs. It not as the smae as in English.

For example:

hajimaru (yodan) : (subject) to begin; ex: matsuri ga hajimatta.
hajimeru (ichidan): to begin (object); ex: shigoto wo hajimeru tsumori da.

tatsu (yodan): (subject) being build; ex: uchi no mae ni biru ga tatta.
tateru (ichidan): to build (object); ex: uchi no mae ni biru wo tatte iru. (someone is building it, but not mentionned)

other example:
umu - umareru
naosu - naoreru
etc.

This is very similar to passive and causative form, but those transformation of the same radicals are in the dictionary, while the forms do not.

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by r3ck0rd on 2007-07-23 05:24:17
@Asdertygh:
Yes you're right.
And the last sentence, yes I don't think it's right too. You're right about the your translation. Well... Can you help me for "want to join" phrase? :)

@Shen: Next time, don't say "jap".
"He is the world champion"
かれはワルドチャンピョンや。
kare wa warudo chanpyon ya.

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Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by masterofallvideogames on 2007-08-07 07:57:02
www.Talksushi.com has good lessons.

Re: Japanese Learners Club ^.^
Link | by on 2007-08-10 16:36:51
Hajimemashite, minna-san.
Boku wa kira desu.
Dozo yoroshiku onegai shimasu.

I'm not good in translation. I just understand what they mean.


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