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Re: Moonstone has been banned T-T
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by Jad [Alt] Kaizer
on 2006-03-06 08:16:57 (edited 2006-03-06 14:11:27)
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Edit: Well spoken. I commend you. I've looked through this thread, and that drove me to read what had happened in the past as well. And well, after reading some of his posts, I too came to a conclusion that Moonstone wasn't that kind of person who will break the rules in the forums. In fact, during that time when the argument was still hot in the Depression thread, he remains his stand as a neutral person who will side neither. Also, I personally think that Moonstone didn't expect that his 'friend' Oblivion (which I think he is more of a traitor than a friend to Moonstone) will do that to him in order to fulfill his vengeance against the Gendou community. Though I've neither known him in real life nor personally, but I find the need to voice out my views towards the hasty, harsh fate that has befalled upon Moonstone. I'd hope that the admin will reconsider about this issue though. [ P/S And to Sero and all of you guys down there who supported Moonstone, keep up the good work. ;) ]
Behold the possibilities ! The end is merely the start of a new history !
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Re: Moonstone has been banned T-T
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on 2006-03-06 08:53:13 (edited 2006-03-06 14:14:35)
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Carefully chosen words, as always. However, you mistake blame for security. Another passionate thread about the actions of gendou, first his signature, now his decisions. Such are the crass demands of an all powerful ruler of the people. To quote Lyndon B. Johnson in his "We Shall Overcome" speech: "In our time we have come to live with moments of great crisis. Our lives have been marked with debate about great issues; issues of war and peace, issues of prosperity and depression. But rarely in any time does an issue lay bare the secret heart of America[gendou.com] itself. Rarely are we met with a challenge, not to our growth or abundance, our welfare or our security, but rather to the values and the purposes and the meaning of our beloved Nation[gendou.com]...And should we defeat every enemy, should we double our wealth and conquer the stars, and still be unequal to this issue, then we will have failed as a people and as a nation. For with a country as with a person, 'What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?'...'give me liberty or give me death'...Those words are a promise to every citizen that he shall share in the dignity of man. This dignity cannot be found in a man's possessions; it cannot be found in his power, or in his position. It really rests on his right to be treated as a man equal in opportunity to all others. It says that he shall share in freedom, he shall choose his leaders, educate his children, and provide for his family according to his ability and his merits as a human being. To apply any other test - to deny a man his hopes...is...to do injustice..." End Quote. Moonstone was a valued member of this society, a member not unlike that of a family. As a family its members can, and often do, make mistakes. We all know that at anytime that a mistake can drive family members apart. We have all experienced this; weather though our own eyes of that of someone close to us. As a family we must also forgive, but by no means must we forget. to forget what has occurred would only do an injustice to those involved. I take stand not in the middle of the road, because it is there that trucks hit you, but rather I straddle the road with the legs of knowledge. These legs my friends, are longer than you can imagine. It is with this posture that I say to take the higher road, even though I may get hit in the groin because I straddle the road. I make no demands in either direction; I simply state that the actions of one through another do not foster the idea of blaming the third party. Decisions that are not my own I have no grievance with, nor do I seek to actively change those decisions. I candidly say what I believe, and hope that the person who made those decisions considers the possibilities. To make a blind decision is to stab yourself in the leg to remedy a headache, it may cure the headache but now you have a hole in your leg. If there is one thing to take from this mangle of words and thoughts, it is that a person should not be held accountable for the actions f another. If that person brooked the action then that person is not without blame, but as a famous line from the bible states, "let he without blame cast the first stone." |
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by eternaltorture
on 2006-03-06 09:54:07 (edited 2006-03-06 13:50:16)
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EDIT: User banned for 2 weeks (totally agree with dirtyninja) Gendou, don't you think it would be fair to blame this all on Moonstone? Moonstone was just doing a good deed. ^ _^ gendou wouldn't be like before, if our friends are getting banned for doing something that wasn't entirely his fault. Look at all those ppl who wants Moonstone back.... Soooo...can you reconsider Moonstone getting banned? I hope you can see this in our point of view...^_^ *if you ban all of us who doesn't want Moonstone banned, wouldn't gendou be boring?* |
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It seems like some of yae think that Gendou-san's the bad guy here; nay. Nay one is a bad guy. Oblivion-san can't be a bad guy because of what he just did, but he certainly DID a bad thing, bad THINGS in particular. Moonstone-san isn't a bad guy either, nor is Gendou-san, nor anyone of yae (including me, of course! :P) I believe that both Moonstone-san and Oblivion-san (had the biggest) made a mistake. Yae could say that Gendou-san too, having been going way too far against the latter. Even before making an email account, it tells yae that yae shouldn't share/give out your password, that would only mean not sharing your email to anyone either, especially in this case that Oblivion-san was completely banned from Gendou.com. I assume that when Oblivion-san tried to ask for the email, Moonstone-san had nay idea if he was to use this for selfish reasons... so that would leave Moonstone-san inculpable of the act. Well, Gendou-san's JUST THE OWNER of this site to have that power of banning Moonstone-san. So, practically he can do anything he wants with his site. But I believe that Gendou-san himself isn't an overall-selfish person. If he were, he couldn't have made this site free and public; he couldn't have thought of sharing his anime mp3s if he knew that there'd only be persistent and pesky hotlinkers; he couldn't have allowed those who are not able to donate to have a share from this site; he couldn't have made significant changes for the betterment of this site, for the problems with recent slowdowns; he couldn't have allowed us to have our own Noypi threads, or any other that would include a different language; he couldn't have recently made the new topic "Gendou City" for those who just can't live without RPs out there. I mean, we owe him a LOT. We would not even meet and consider Moonstone-san a friend, a family, if not for the forums where those previous conversations brought up this friendship & belongingness that we have now for each other. Gendou-san has a heart because he trusted us to become part of his own creation: Gendou.com. We should trust him and pay respect in return. Moonstone-san's a friend and we do share a lot (I think) for being the great, good 'ol dial-up users. Lol... What we can do is just pray and hope that Gendou-san will hear from us, so that he can better understand the situation. We should give him time though. Anyways... Gendou-san, Please don't ban Moonstone-san forever!!! XD Please, please, please!!! Please have the time to consider everything! Thank yae very much! :D Tanomu! "To be forgotten, is worse than death." |
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on 2006-03-06 11:14:23 (edited 2006-03-07 11:28:40)
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EDIT: User banned for 1 week i do not have all the time to read the posts here, but as i understood it, oblivion used moonstone's email account to what... threat gendou? if this is the case and we're on trial, we can not use that reason as he's just being a friend to oblivion. especially if he knew what's the score or the relationship between gendou and oblivion. because if he knew, he must have known the purpose too and he still allowed it to take in effect. for gendou, oblivion had just committed a crime and moonstone is an accessory. inside this site where gendou holds the executive (sharing it with moderators), legislative and judiciative branches, he has all the right to ban anyone of us even if the reason is mainly personal. if in any way, gendou would share with us his judiciative power, then we could bail out moonstone. he banned a member (plus an insult) who just gave her/his opinion in a thread, which asks for it (an opinion) anyway, because many had reported that user and thinks that the statements are far below the belt. you see, he ban someone when you guys think that someone shouldn't be here. so why can't he do it if he thinks that way?  |
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by overlordsero
on 2006-03-06 12:32:28 (edited 2006-03-06 14:04:51)
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EDIT: User banned for 4 weeks Oh man....I dont want this to get out of hand... Moonstone let him use it because oblivions e-mail was messed up. Which from as far as I know oblivion blames gendou. Also he let him use it because he didnt think it would be a big deal. Alos....he even asked to not be banned and said please. I understand gendou's I do....but I understand Moonstones. But I dont think he should have been banned forever. I mean yeah it was with oblivion and such....I dont really care for the guy myslef...but it just seems too harsh of a sentence. I know gendou is the head guy and all and I thanks him for such a site without it I would have never meet anyone. Even Moonstone. It just wont be the same if he is gone forever. 
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by Nanaya Enix
on 2006-03-06 12:45:51 (edited 2006-03-06 14:03:37)
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EDIT: User banned for 2 weeks Okay, I'm not saying that Moonstone deserved this, but he did break the rule. But he should deserve a lesser punishment than this at least since he's banned already.  Laharl, the Overlord of all. I rule Netherworld Restaurant as well.
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EDIT: User banned for 4 weeks Moonstone's e-mail said something along the lines of: "Hello gendou san. Oblivion is sitting next to me now and he would like to use my e-mail to say something to you. Please know that oblivions message has nothing to do with me and I have no part in anything so please dont ban me :) (Oblivions message: you peice of crap etc...)" What later followed was the banning of moonstone for reason of "consorting with oblivion" I have to admit we were all a little shocked!  Everyday above ground is a good day  |
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Edit: Another good example of expressing one's opinion without challenging authority. Oblivion can always make another address jsut as Moonstone can. I think it is wrong to do this to Moonstone even though I didn't know Moonstone personally but he (o.0 am I right he's a guy right?) always treated me with respect. I hope this works, but sometimes it doesn't matter how much you beg and plead it could never change Gendou's point of view. Gnedou's did what he thought was correct and it may stay that way. Good Luck Sero I'm with yas ^_~ People make mistakes, is this honestly unforgivable?
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by overlordsero
on 2006-03-06 12:55:56 (edited 2006-03-06 14:07:40)
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EDIT: User banned for 4 weeks Heh thanks Schala ^_^; Well I care for my friends and would risk anything for them. Just who I am I guess ^_^ I hope he has a shortened sentence at least. I will keep it up ^_^ I am doing what I can to help, this is all I could think of. However I dont want this to be get out of hand. That is not my intention for making this thread. My intention is to try and help a very good friend of mine. This thread seems to be keeping cool so far. But I ask people to just keep it under control. Thank you ^_^
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No problem Sero I would risk anything for my friends to, so I can relate. Hopefully things will be alright after and we'll have Moonstone back. ^_^
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by Nanaya Enix
on 2006-03-06 13:06:48 (edited 2006-03-06 13:46:24)
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EDIT: User banned for 2 weeks Gendou, just bring him back at least to make everybody happy. Lower the sentence to at least like a week ban from the forums or something. Laharl, the Overlord of all. I rule Netherworld Restaurant as well.
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Edit: lol From Sorority Boys (I am not serious but I want to lighten the mood a little Gendou) "There's mutiny afoot." I love that movie.
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by
on 2006-03-06 13:45:20 (edited 2006-03-06 14:19:28)
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Moonstone did something foolish albeit good intentioned. If oblivion wanted to send an email to me, he could have done it himself. Oblivion's ban is NOT of Moonstone's concern, friends or not. Moonstone's ban has been set to expire in 7 days, which I believe is fair. Initially, it was not set at all, in order to give moonstone a chance to defend him/herself. ALL users who have violated the forum rule "do not talk back to or argue with the admin" have been BANNED for an appropriate duration. Anyone else want to join them? Argue with me, be my guest. These 12 people were banned accomplishing nothing: angelyuki, bladesman, bloodymoon, enix_cloud, ewergewerg, hazz_dude, inuyashaxx, kageno_tsuki, oturan_22, overlordsero, shiroiryu, snakelegend 
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by
on 2006-03-06 14:43:53 (edited 2006-03-06 14:45:07)
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Oh, this is cute: From: Sero To: Gendou Subject: hello ^_^ its sero ^_^ How many people got banned due to the Moonstone thread??? Cause if you would.... add there time to mine and unban them.... Please. I take full responsability for making that thread.... So please if you could...unban them and add there time to mine.... so if you could...unban anyone that you banned from the thread please and add there time to mine I hold each individual accountable for their own, and ONLY their own, actions. First, you expect me to unban Moonstone, citing that it was the actions of another person which resulted in his ban, and that this was unjust. Now, you are asking me to blame one person (yourself) for the actions of others. This is not only confusing, but entirely demonstrative of your transparent morals (or lack thereof). I will not grant your request.
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on 2006-03-06 19:37:15 (edited 2006-03-06 19:37:26)
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Oh, I just wanted to remind you guys, as drastic as this seems, it has been worse. Once, last year, Gendou banned everybody from making posts for several days. Just be glad that didn't happen this time too. |
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