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If I Remember Correctly :p
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on 2005-09-15 05:26:15 (edited 2005-09-15 05:28:59)
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Miyamoto is right. Local, state and federal laws in order of precedence. Another good example is medical marijuana. It's legal in California but not at the federal level, the state of California has said they shall not enforce the federal laws regarding medical marijuana. I think that fortunate because a few people I know use, medical cannabis. One person I know has a serious illness and does not eat so he smokes cannabis to stimulate his appetite. I think it's ridicolous that the US government has banned all use of cannabis including medical use and medical research. What does this mean please? IIRC  |
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| I think they should have the option of getting married, they should have the benefits from it...however I still don't think that child adoption should be available to them yet...that is another thing. |
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IIRC, though I'm not American by any chance, it's always: Local -> State -> Federal
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| I still don't get how in some states gay marriage is legal and illegal in others states...so much for the 'rule of the land' |
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You are absolutely correct it does. However gay marriage should not be the issue. either here or before the courts and legislatures. This all started as a question of the rights accorded to a significant other. It was blown out of proportion when the church got ahold of it saying that the marriage of a gay or lesbian couple was a sin and an affront against god. The gay community in a move that hurt themselves more than they could have possibly imagined took the wrong step in pushung for same sex marriage. It's as if nobody even thought that the church would say something. Had they approached this from the viewpoint of a civil union then I thnk they would be much further along that they are today. The problem they ran into was one of the religious right. If they had stuck to the issue at hand, how to gain equal rights as opposed to gay marriage I truly believe this would have been resolved a couple of years ago. |
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well Rin the topic does mention marriage in particular. so... =/
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on 2005-09-14 17:26:32 (edited 2005-09-14 17:28:01)
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 First of all let me say I am surprized at what I have just read. So much said, that so few of you understand. Gendou, There is a post you obviously failed to read and understand. "Can you believe this crap" which clearly states the principials of church and state in the US in addition to explaining the First Amendment. If you awant to know about the constitution ask ranger, h'es a constitutionilist(sp). Gendou said, "...ANYTHING to do with the national law of the United States of America? Church principal MUST be separate from State Law. That is one of the FOUNDING PRINCIPALS of our country. It is not and there is nothing in American law that says anything about the separation of church and state. The law as written by the American founding fathers prohibits and forbids the government from establishing a state religion. This keeps a state run church from gaining power over the people as it did during the middle ages and expressly states that everyone shall have the right to worship as they choose with out fear of infringment. Next, and I am a little more than miffed, at the amount of musunderstansing most people have about this same sex marriage issue. I am against same sex marriage. To me marriage is a union between a man and woman, sacred. However I am not against the civil union of a same sex couple. The issue here is not one of same sex marriage. That's what it has been blown into. What is at issue here are the right of a same sex union to have the same rights and benefits as a hetrosexual couple; such as health care, company spousal benifits, inheritance and shared property rights and much, much more. It has nothing to do with sex or being gay or anything like that. If any of you had in my classroom today talking about the gay marriage issue most of you would have been handed a long homework assignment on how to do research. Most of you would have also gotten low marks today for not knowing the subject as well. I repeat myself. This is not about same sex marriages, it is about civil rights and nothing more. My last comment on this subject is; why is it that I know more about the Constitution that you seem to? I'm not even an American citizen and shall probably never become one, the reason has to do with English law, not a lack of desire on my part. Now... tonights homework.  Explain why you should know a subject before blindly stumbling in and posting an opinion. I would like 500 pages from each of you on my desk in the morning.  |
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Well said, miyamoto! That's exactly how I feel! And the fact that homosexuals want to rewrite the entire defintion of marriage to suit their own ends really makes me angry.  |
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Red button this topic certainly is... but that aside. Homosexuality is against the course of nature to start with. enough said. And I would like to clarify the crusade against Christians here. We love the sinner but we hate the sin. Enough said.
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| gay marriage... i have heard this subject for a long time... but i haven't actually see it or nobody around me is gay... so i don't really have an idea about it... from the words, is a marriage between two men... as simple as that... sometimes i wonder, why a lot of people like to against gay marriage? they are just a human being like us, the only different is they fell in love with the same sex human, that's all... undeniable, for me, marriage is just a form of agreement to live together forever, because they are gay and a lot of people against them, so they need the ritual to consolidate their relationship, they need this than any normal couple... we are not god, we don't have the right to stop them, so why don't we just leave them alone, let them make their own choice. no matter what the consequence is, this is their choice, it got nothing to do with us... we cannot do anything to help them, but at least... treat them as a normal human being, they are human just like us, they have feeling, they know how to cry and laugh like us... is just a matter of gender... no big deal. |
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My gosh, everyone here just likes to add to the insanity of the world. Everyone's answer to gay marriage is "let them do what they want and stay out of their business." Heck, why not, they let Hitler go alone with his business and of course nothing bad happened, right? First off, let us take a look into the reason's why homosexuals would even want to get married. Many gay people use marriage to solidify their marriage. If gays really loved each other, they wouldn't need a paper to tell them so. The saying goes; "love is like a cough, it is neither hidden nor stifled." The chief factor of 'gays' in general is due of lust. Tell me, what kind of couple is a gay man and a gay man without any male genitalia? A normal couple, that's right. In other words, all gay men and women look for when they look for love is the same genitals they have. It's like the story of the drunkin man who fell in love with the woman who had a penis. After finding out he was a he, the love was gone. And so the argument of loving in gay marriages is flaud and impossible. Sure, when it comes to the attraction between men and women it is also lust, for the most part, but at least it serves a purpose: reproduction. |
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by Jerc E. Ophe
on 2005-06-13 07:38:45
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SUPPORT SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS AND MARRIAGES!!! I wanted to say the same thing. People should have the right to this. I mean, you ever heard of Ron White's thought of us all being gay, in a manner of what extent, if you saw some of his comic stand-up shows? Well, you can say that I believe it. No doubt about it. I gotta make a banner one of these days that should have the same words on top of this post, or probably two. Give me ideas 'cause I'll be picture hunting for cel scans later on. |
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Alright. Since we're all in here discussing gay marriage etc... what do some of you have against them? They aren't doing anything that's going to harm another person. Marriage can be how people show their love. For some, marriage doesn't mean anything. Because you can, love without it. But, that doesn't mean that they should be forbidden the right to marry the person of their choice. Whether, of their sex, or the opposite! I believe that if it isn't malicious then it isn't wrong. No, I may not be gay. But you know what, WHO CARES WHAT WE ARE? Why must people label everyone? What is wrong with being gay? If they want to marry it is their choice. Don't just leave them be as some people here are saying to. Help them out. Even if it's just putting in a good word for them. Using a gun, it can have malicious intent, it can be dangerous, even fatal. Marriage on the other hand isn't hurting not a single one of us. So WHY THE HECK IS IT ILLEGAL??? People. Please use some common sense. It's their right as American's to marry the person of their choice. Yet the government is going against everything that they claim to hold dear, just to stop them from marrying their own sex. It is everybit the same as marrying the opposite sex. So what's so wrong about it?!?!?! NOTHING. Do you need me to spell that out? N-O-T-H-I-N-G! NOTHING! I know that for some of you, being gay goes against your religion. Well, if you're a Christian, aren't you also supposed to care for other people? Help them out? So what if it's against YOUR religion. It might not be against THEIRS. So, if you have a friend, they're gay. You're a super Christian person, would you stop your friend from having the happiness that they deserve just because its against your religion?!?!? I HOPE NOT! (just to let you know, I'm not trying to bash religions, just trying to make a valid point.)I would like to quote a friend right now. This is for Larry: "Opinions are like butts. We all have one, and they all stink." So what if they stink?!?!?! Make them count, and let them be heard! p.s.- I'll join that angry mob of yours! Lol! :D |
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*jolts awake and fires up the degree machines and book learning memory* Homosexuals were accepted in Greece as it was seen as the ultimate expression of friendship and love, rather than a marriage-style partnership. The men (and women) were supposed to do the standard family-procreation thing but the expression of love between their own genders was seen as friendship, hence the terms Platonic love (which came from the Philosophies of Plato that men could experience true friendship together and that were platonic love comes from) and Sapphic Love (which comes from the dramas of Sappho which was about the friendships between two women). Furthermore in the tutoring of older men to younger boys, sex was seen as a furthering of the learning experience and wasn't morally wrong (Plato and Aristotle). It's amazing what I pick up when I don't sleep through Literature lectures and drink Coca Cola thorughout my degree
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by Pinewoodpine
on 2004-07-30 05:19:58
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What!!! Greece accept gays as a part of their society?! That was SO COOL (Not to mention aceeptible)! We should teach those people who did not accept gays and lesbians a lesson. Let's form an angry mob!!!>_<
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oh yea, the ancient greeks had waaay different morals. the rich greek men would have young boys as their lovers as a symbol of power. this is totally different from our society now, but it allows us to see how moral views change drastically over time. 
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| If i recall something from the History channel correctly gays were accepted in ancient greece when it was a thriving utopia so there was a religion that allowed people to decide to spend there lives together regardless of their genders |
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interesting, thanks for your input Marbles!
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Further to Gendou's stipulation, some people/religions/cultures actually have two ceremonies, the blessing of the union by a priest/cleric/whatever, then they have the civil registration of the marriage legally. You can be married by anyone with a licence, including Sea Captains I do believe
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