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Grades: A Measure of Diligence or Intelligence?
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by
 
on 2007-10-30 20:11:01 (edited 2007-10-30 20:11:33)
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Whenever we get our report cards/transcripts, we always seem to look at the Fs or As first. For our parents, I bet it's the Fs they see first, especially Asian moms (mine actually can sense a F once it's within 100m of the house XD) What do these grades mean??? My take on this is that they measure Diligence in most cases. Since a grade is composed of many different subsets like quizzes, homework, classwork and etc, a student needs to work harder to get those stuff done. A student who doesn't do homework will generally have lower grades because of the low homework subset grade and possibly any exams since they aren't practicing either. An issue with that take is that, if a student is smart, then that student's intelligence will zap the effort away. Thus making the grade a measure of intelligence instead. But, the examinations subset of the grade is basically a measure of what you learned, can you really define that as intelligence based or diligence based? Also, most college math classes consists of 4 big exams and a final. Yet I see people skip (including myself :0). Is that intelligence based? I have my opinions and views and I say it's more diligence based, as long as certain conditions apply like homework, classwork and/or projects in included into the final grade. That is because, even if the student is smart, he/she is still required to do work that he/she may not get a good grade on unless they put in some effort (diligence). Vice Versa for exam only grading. So, what's your take?  |
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on 2007-10-30 20:13:24 (edited 2007-10-30 20:13:39)
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grades are just numbers...they are not important...sum people may be smart but they dont study so they get low grades.. but it makes me feel great when i get high grades xD 
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by zparticus27
on 2007-10-30 20:32:51
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both, i mean whats the use of all the hard work if you dont understand what your doing... and yeah my mom can sense right away if i had an F...well in my case a 75 hahaha |
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I consider myself smart but I also consider myself lazy so it usually averages out to a low A or high B.  |
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on 2007-10-31 11:11:46 |
| I must agree that grades are a thing of measuring one's diligence, not intelligence. We can't label our intelligence by numbers or letters~ it sounds so de'grade'ing XDDDDDD I believe everyone is smart, disabled or uneducated, it's just these grades perform like code of conduct to students--- you gotta study and catch up with your studies and do your homework and projects to get the credits or the best results. We cannot see the importance of grades blindly, because they are at least the best measurement to one's potential, skills and sense of motivation. I think motivation is neglected so many times, since students nowadays see grades as useless bunch of codes--- school students, mostly. It's better to put at least some effort to get the acceptable grades because they really can put you in the best (ones you want to take or something new you want to take) degree/diploma courses once passed the final exams. There is no point in not putting any effort whatsoever, and I am always cringed and sad to see school graduates work in poor jobs like hell, with such small wage to accomodate themselves. Why? Because of the lack of awareness of the importance of grades. |
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on 2007-11-01 21:12:29 |
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I agree with zparticus. Both. In my school now they measure both diligence and intelligence. i hate to do homework, projects, etc. but well... XD at least i still get good grades. I kinda wonder why people these days judge people by their grades. I mean, grades aren't everything. There are people with talents but not good at grades. and nowadays to get an occupation grades are important.  |
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on 2007-11-02 15:15:22 |
For me diligence and intelligence relation are direct. I can see this in my brother, the worser the grades he gets, the smarter he is. We do a lot of debates and what he says has power and meaning. But now he is in college and he is the dumbest guy I have seen yet. Simple things are hard to work out for him. But he is getting all A's. Most people who get good grades never learn the material. This is seen a lot in America. Most A students study super hard, and then forget the material. So during finals they have to study super hard. For me I get 88-93% for all my classes. But I NEVER study and I do my homework 5 mins before school starts. What I do is listen, think, and learn. I just learn it completely and I never have to study. Math is the only hard subject for me. I don't copy what the teacher dose. So I get marked off doing a problem a better way. I observe the other students in my math class and it makes me sick. They are just robotic observers writing and emulating everything the teacher shows them. But what makes it worse this year, my math teacher is VERY BAD. She can hardly do her own problems. All she can do is show us the problems, and tells us to memorize every kind of problem, rather then learn the complete concept of the subject.  DON'T SLAP THE MONKEY!! |
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on 2007-11-03 07:01:20 |
They just have to be equal, If you got brains and no go, you're useless. 
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on 2007-11-07 11:50:42 |
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I don't even think grades depict either one strongly. So many people learn so differently that standard tests and grading is just to mold conforming to be able to completely show one's intelligence and dilligence. For instance a gifted kid in these areas doesn't need to put alot of work in to get good grades while a smart child but learns differently gets low grades simply because no matter how much they try to understand they can't, because it's not how they learn best. Or then you have the cases of those with disablities, for these no matter how hard they try they may still come up on the bottom. Or their countering gifts may sky rocket in another area. Grades only show how well you fit into a mold they've made for you. Sometimes it has to do with diligence and sometimes intelligence but neither matter at other times. Then in the younger years grades only say how well you take in information then spit it out. How good of a copy machine you make o_O |
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on 2007-11-07 19:37:07 |
Grades are an indication of both, and depending on the style of the course(s) being taken can reflect one more strongly than the other. For example, in AP classes some of the teachers will weigh almost the entirety of one's grade on their scores on a few tests, and have homework be worth virtually nothing, or ignore it, this system favours those with higher intelligence (like me) who can do none of the homework, but still get the materials and score highly on the tests and therefore do well. Other teachers have more homework/classwork based grades, and these generally reward the more diligent students (like a friend of mine, Adullah) who do all of their work and turn in on time, making it difficult for a more lazy, intelligent person to do well. However, in high level classes, diligence can not make up for a level of intelligence too low to comprehend the materials covered adequately.  |
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on 2007-11-14 16:11:59 |
I guess it really depends how the grades are given to you. For the majority of most subjects, grades are given based on dilligence because you usually have effort points and completion points that contribute it. Like a person an get an A on all the tests and not do any of the homework and get an F but that just means that person's really really lazy. *whistling* 
So I drove into a parking lot one time and saw this person pull into a handicap parking spot. When you think handicap, you think wheelchair and whatever, right? So it just ticked me off when I saw the guy come out of the car perfectly fine. So then I ran him over. |
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Re: Grades: A Measure of Diligence or Intelligence?
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on 2007-11-15 04:23:33 |
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Diligence because it measures how determined you are on doing something which can eventually be rewarded by good grades.. Intelligence measures the ability of the person to think accurately and correctly at a certain point of event..it's like what i call as "common sense"  |
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on 2007-11-15 04:58:54 |
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A little bit of both I guess. For you to get a job (at least here in my country), you must present good grades from your high school or college. It kind of makes them assured that you know what you'll be doing and that you do it at the best of your abilities. Maybe it's kind of related in the sense that, if you're diligent enough, you'll actually learn at school. And those who are "naturally" smart, they must've started from somewhere - they had a good foundation or something like that. So they don't need to exert that much effort to learn the material. School work on the other hand, serves as a practice for certain skills, like math, or may just increase your knowledge on something, like reading assignments.   |
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The thing about ur argument, neon-san, is that this thread does not speak about what grades represent, it's about what they SHOULD represent. Numbers (or grades) should not determine who we are, and what we're good at. An A-grader is not God, and an F-grader isn't subhuman. The whole system of education that treats grades as a benchmark for the direction a person's whole life should take is WRONG. Every person who exists is special, in that he is capable of doing at least one thing that no else in the whole darn world can. So why do we restrict that person's latent creativity? Is it because humankind inherently hates anyone who's better than the majority? Or is it because we r naturally obsessed with order, 'tidy lists of everything'?  --> |
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| in fact, school always measures the student's grade by their intelligance. |
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on 2007-12-29 06:54:41 |
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It is the measure of dilligence... well..not all people born with good intelligence, but one thing that is certain for all people is that "intellingence gained from dilligence".. dilligence is something essential in our life.. so it does makes sense if schools push you to be dilligence...  |
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on 2007-12-29 19:45:36 |
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@Gant: I believe this thread is talking about what they actually represent. And watch out, your post is starting to stray out of topic. And I think grades represent both. Well, perhaps a bit heavy on the diligence part, but even if someone's ultra diligent, if that person's not smart enough to get something better than F in tests, guess no very good grades for 'em.   |
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on 2007-12-29 21:52:10 |
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Teachers and especially parents over exaggerate all the damn time when it comes to grades. And being in an asian family, asian mothers are really on your butt about grades. One 89, they complain. One 99, they complain. They want nothing else then perfection from you... To me, grades are just how well you do in class. They're numbers that really mean nothing. Say a genius got into a serious car accident, and missed six months of school. Before this accident, he has never gotten lower than a 100% in any of his major classes since like, Kindergarten. Now that this incident occurred, he cannot make up the six months of work he missed, so they give them all zeros and he fails. Does that mean he's all of a sudden, "stupid?" I say NOT! And what's with everyone worrying only about grades? I care about school and if I'm failing a class, I'm going to work up to get that into a D or higher. But for someone like me, who's extremely lazy in school, I seem to do alright (A, B, Cs). Some of the stuff will not even be relevant in a few years, and why do you need to worry about them? Colleges look at your grades to see if you're "worthy" of being accepted into their college. You're a prized future Iron Chef, yet nobody will ever know cause you failed History? You're a future Academy Award Winning Actor, yet nobody will ever know cause you failed Math in high school? I think most of the people in the world these days don't even realize that true talent is staring them right in the face, yet you're only looking at a damn piece of paper! There are a dozen reasons to justify this question, but you can figure it yourself in your own school. 
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on 2007-12-29 22:16:33 (edited 2007-12-29 22:21:13)
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i stopped caring personally...no matter how hard i try i can only manage a c average. I start strong but get lazy later on. I cant stop it. Its who i am. I dont give a fugde if im called w.e or told i should try harder. Its all just a bunch of crap and im fine wit it... C average all dai son! i kno im smart in my own way. No piece of paper can justify that. Yes i too get bombed on by my moms and my teachers but i cant change...i do wut i gotta to pass dats the bottom line...  Part of the new age Gendou RP veterans: Kira, Rukia, KM Revolution, Smoker, Avian, L, and Ryu. |
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Declaring Grades as being diligence or intelligence is to broad because there are so many variables. (student, course, instructor) In short you would have to take every test on a case by case basis. |