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Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by Koishuujin on 2010-12-31 02:38:40 (edited 2010-12-31 02:41:45)
Minna, konnichiwa. why is kanji so hard? And could someone suggest the easiest (in your opinion), way of learning kanji that will not take more than 2 years to study? Don't worry, I only plan to study kyouiku kanji, the kanji taught to elementary school japanese students.

Minna konnichiwa. Nande kanji ga totemo muzukashii desuno(T.T)? Kanji no benkyou niwa, ichiban kantan demo ninenkan hodo kakaranai houhou ga susume dekimasu kana? Kyouiku kanji dake benkyou suru tsumori desu ne. Tanomimasu! watashi no nihongo wa umakunai nara gomennasai~.

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by mystique on 2011-02-04 18:47:48 (edited 2011-02-04 18:51:08)
(Minna, konnichiwa. why is kanji so hard? And could someone suggest the easiest (in your opinion), way of learning kanji that will not take more than 2 years to study? Don't worry, I only plan to study kyouiku kanji, the kanji taught to elementary school japanese students.)
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Considering that Japanese kids take 6 years to learn that basic 2000 needed for literacy and you wanna do it in 2, means you need to study everyday for 2 years straight nonstop.
(Since the kids study 4 days a week not to mention they're surrounded by it anyways)

It's difficult to learn for Westerners simply because it's a script and a writing system so unlike our own. We only have 26 characters (52 for capital letters), they have 3 alphabets. Also there are 4000+ characters all with different writing styles (however there are rules to follow for correct stroke order which makes writing ten times easier), so it's just a big ass memory game for us.

Best way of learning kanji is to write it correctly tons of times everyday.
That way, you're exercising your memory muscle and increasing your vocabulary, too.
That's about it I'm afraid, write, write, test yourself with the English definitions and rather, learn the basic 300 on their own if you wish but then begin to write kanji in words, rather than just the single characters and learning how to read them is a bitch and perhaps the most trickest part of the entire language.
***(Depending on the combo of kanji, the reading changes)***

For example if the kanji you're learning is 結ぶ 【むすぶ】 (v5b) to tie, to bind, to link,
Then learn the word for 'wedding' '結婚' (kekkon)
'musubu' is the kunyomi (japanese reading) 'ketsu' or 'kechi' is the onyomi (chinese reading)

Like: 結合【けつごう】(n,vs) combination, union,
'ketsu-gou' as it's read.

Good luck!


Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by on 2011-02-08 21:21:55
the easiest way to learn kanji and know japanese language is if you know chinese. Since some of the word in japanese are originated from the chinese.


Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by Grey on 2011-07-16 05:40:10
^^ That's true to an extent, yes. However, you have to be careful, because the Japanese language uses lots of kanji very differently from the way Chinese uses it.

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by bleachsai on 2011-11-09 23:23:40
中国人だから、漢字なんってぜんぜん問題ないですけど、文法はだめですQAQ

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by srt01 on 2011-11-10 07:11:44
@bleachsai でも全然平気みたいじゃないか!

Yes, what zero says is very true and also grey is correct too. They are quite similar but Japanese tend to have a more simpleified version and also may have a different meaning than the Chinese one.
And like bleachsai, even if you know a good deal of kanji, not knowing how to use them is kinda pointless.

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Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by kuhraziemike on 2011-11-11 02:26:51
Dude, dude, dude.. Hold up just a sec.................

Elementary school? Ya' only need ta' learn 800+ characters and that's it.

Sou da ze.. Happyaku moji dake da zou...

Sore tomo, if ya' plan to learn Kanji...

I remember.... Start with learning how ta' write the simple stuff.....

Look through the elementary school Kanji list and see the easiest ones.... Write them slow & steady.. But ALSO, read them... (Kanji no yomi koto wa dekiru yo ne?)

Suman, suman, watashi no nihongo tte sa mada tarinai node.... Eheheh.....


Ichi, ni, san.. learn these first...

Then remember those Kanji characters like the one for hito and the like.. Yeah, memorize them easy lookin' ones first

Watashi no ka? Hahah, I don't follow the stroke order ya' know? Never did and never will... As long as I could read and write then I'm fine....

Then start to remember somewhat tougher Kanji combos like Natsu or Ie and so and so forth....

REMEMBER, look at each character and see which part of the character resembles other characters... These 'parts' that make up the character are called 'radicals'...

Wakaru? Jaa nnaa!


Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by Koishuujin on 2011-12-29 01:47:25
Minna ga henji ippai kurete arigatou^^
Ima mite iru toori, boku wa kanji ni yowai dakara, roomaji de kaku koto ni shimashita.
@bleachsai: sou desu ne.. chuugokujin nara moji wa ii kedo, chuugokugo bumpou yori nihongo bumpou no hou ga zettai muzukashii kara. Toiuka, kanji no benkyou wo motto kantan ni suru tame ni chuugokugo wo narau koto wa marude osoi houhou janai desuka?
@kuhraziemike: henji okutte arigatou. boku mo moto ni sono peesu de itta kedo, takusan naraeba mada naratte inai koto no hou ga motto ooi koto ga wakaru you ni narimashita. Soshite, "kore yori motto hayai houhou ga aru no kana..." to omotte, sono posuto wo shimashita.

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by kuhraziemike on 2011-12-30 18:30:16
Naa... Koishuujin-domo:

Tsumari, eigo ni wa: "Thanks for the many replies. In the beginning, I was at that pace but... even if I had learned a lot of Kanji, and I haven't learned a lot of things, I managed to learn 'bigger' things. Then, "There must be a faster way of doing this" so I thought... And that's the reason why I made this thread." da yo ne? Sore tomo, watashi ga machigatta kana?

Tokoro de, watashi no nihongo wa ippai koto wo mada naratteru nda... Takusan koto wa mada naratte nai shi... Ippai Kanji wa hontou ni muzukashii da yo naa!!!!!

So, uhm, my vocab's still not so much... Sono riyuu wa, kotoba no narau koto ga zen zen wakarannai!!! Naa... Kore yori no houhou ga aru nda na? Naa, oshiete!

Anoo... This is getting really awkward to speak Japanese here...

But yeah... BTW, why the long gap between replies?


Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by ryuzakee on 2012-03-02 16:21:56
kanji is easy if you learn with heisigs method. wandering why nobody mentioned him..

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by Koishuujin on 2012-05-13 06:02:00
Thank you for all the replies! I really appreciate it. Also, sorry for the late replies. I haven't been able to log in very often because of school (I never thought college will be this hard).
Anyway, I've progressed since I already know grade 1&2 kanji, but I still want to learn everything so I'm still interested if you could suggest other methods.

@ryukazee: Thank you for the reply. I've heard of that method before but I am hesitant to try it. I don't really have a problem in remembering the structure of the kanji. What I'm frustrated about is the number of reading you get from a single kanji. For example, 生 can be nama, i(kiru), i(keru), u(mareru), u(mu), sei, or shou depending on the context. Also, there are many other readings if you will include ateji and when it is present in names. Even if I've already memorized all of them, I still forget some of them after some time.

@kuhraziemike: Hisashi buri desu ne, kuhraziemike-san. Henji wa osoi kara sumimasen deshita. Kore kara motto hayaku henji shiyou to shimasu.
"Sono riyuu wa, kotoba no narau koto ga zen zen wakarannai!!! Naa... Kore yori no houhou ga aru nda na? Naa, oshiete!" to anata ga kiita koto ga arimasu ne. There is an absolutely perfect way to expand vocabulary, and that is by exposure. You don't really need to go to Japan but if you must, then the better. Personally, my inspiration for studying Japanese, aside for anime and manga, is my Japanese cousin. I really want to talk to him and make myself understood. That's why I expose myself to Japanese as much as possible. Games, music, manga, anime, TV shows, novels, I all read/watch them in Japanese. Also, I don't know if you experienced this, I also talk to myself in Japanese if I can. Gradually, my voice inside my head when I'm thinking became Japanese too. I'm quite proud of my ability because I have been studying for 5 years all by myself. I never lose interest because I have an inspiration. Toiuka, chotto iisugimashita ne. Sumimasen. Demo, anata no kimochi ga wakarimasu. Nihongo wo benkyou suru no wa gambatte kudasai. Ouen shite imasu yo!

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by kuhraziemike on 2012-09-02 14:50:23
Aa, yabba! Mou watashi wa yon ka getsu osoku natta n da!!! Yare, yare!

Ne Koishuujin-dono, Facebook akaunto ga arun? Motto watashi to anata ni hanashitai kara... Tokoro de sa, watashi wa nihonjin no tomodachi ga tsukutta kedo, demo go nin gurai dake de ne... Zen'in Oosaka kara kita n da na... (Wara)

Sore ja, mata! Daigaku de ganbatte te ne!


Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by ichiyumisensei on 2012-11-23 17:54:26
Atashi wa chuugokugo wo benkyou shimashita no de, kanji no benkyou ni tsuite...amari muzukashikunai to omoimasu. Maa~ daitai dekiru yo...(tabun ne~)

.:::一由美:::.

Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by zourato on 2012-12-01 08:03:51
What I want to know the difference between the writing ai in 愛 (Japanese) vs 爱 (Chinese)?


Re: Kanji help!!!(T.T)
Link | by ichiyumisensei on 2012-12-02 02:43:39
The japanese "ai" is written in traditional chinese while the chinese "ai" are in simplified chinese. There's no big different in the meaning though. That's what my teacher explained to me.

愛 - traditional

爱 - simplified

.:::一由美:::.

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