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Ben Stein is an unforgivable dumb-ass
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on 2008-04-24 23:47:17 (edited 2008-04-24 23:47:40)
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The once-beloved Ben Stein is starring in a documentary called Expelled. Sadly, it appears to be a Creationist propaganda film preaching a message that free speech gives people the right to do bad science. It's an amusing idea, that a professor should be able to freely say anything he wants to, wether it agrees with evidence or not. Wait, I take that back, it's not amusing at all, it's evil and sickening. Please join me in shaming Ben Stein for being a total sell-out, having no integrity or moral compass, and for being an unforgivable dumb-ass. Further reading: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ben-steins-expelled-review-john-rennie&sc=rss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/background/premise-media http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben-stein-doesnt-want-you-to-know&sc=rss http://www2.nysun.com/article/74583 
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Hell yeah, Gendou! To think that these people can shoot their mouths about anything they damn well please! I mean, they're like reverse-psychological children, bawling out for rights of freee speech, and when they get it, they're bawling it out of the court. What do they want?  --> |
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how sad....Ben Stein truly has fallen into the abyss of irrationality and dishonest propagandising. I am quite disappointed in him.  |
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by The Hermit
on 2008-04-27 07:24:46
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by
 
on 2008-04-27 11:57:47 |
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Ben Stein is an economist? No way. Of what I read so far about him, he's just weird. Humans came from the mud that lightning struck upon it. lolz |
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Economists live on assumptions. Ben Stein must have been under real stress to blabber something so ridiculous in public. He thought so much, he lost it at the end. He just wanted to make the news. XD  |
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on 2008-04-28 12:52:23 |
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I know myself I usually respect economists, cuz they make Economics a subject so important in today's ever-changing economic forces and patterns. But Ben Stein is just way off the line. Why the flying frog he wants to talk about and appreciate creationism?!? Yep, everyone's right--- he is just making such stupid propaganda within the society. Watch Thunderf00t's 'Why we should laugh at creationists' videos on YouTube--- the user argues about Ben Stein's ideas which I truly agree. One line Ben quoted during a Christian tv show: Ben: "Science is made for killing people." Host: "Good word, good word." WHAT THE FLYING FROG?!?!? Even gross, he hosted MTV's America's Most Smartest Model show--- oh, how I pity those models. No wonder 'Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed' was released. |
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on 2008-04-28 13:08:47 |
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Morality may not be derived from scientific understanding just as scientific understanding may not be tailored to fit one's moral preference. It is similarly foolish to say "nature behaves like this because I think that's nice" as it is to say, "nature behaves like this, so should we". The argument that "science is made for killing people" removes moral responsibility. In a sense, Ben Stein is saying that, in making this argument, science is immoral because it has been used by immoral people. This is actually strongly supports the argument AGAINST intelligent design! It is a MORE DANGEROUS idea that life is designed than that it evolves. For example, if it is assumed that I am created in god's image, then anyone who doesn't LOOK LIKE ME is UNGODLY and therefore bad. In evolution, genetic variety is positively critical for a species survival, so tolerance for people with different phenotypes is good for the species as a whole. Of course, it is up to US to decide that what is beneficial for the species is what we desire! Science points the way, but we must make the decision of VALUE ourselves.
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by The Hermit
on 2008-05-02 14:40:47 (edited 2008-05-04 14:00:15)
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It's not that Intelligent Design is a "competing theory". It's not. It's barely even coherent. It's nonsense under a paper-thin disguise; scientifically unprovable, intellectually dishonest, and logically impossible. To wit: If anything complex would have have to be designed, and the designer is necessarily more complex than the designed (you don't see paintings designing painters, after all), then it stands to reason that the "designer" was designed. But by what? And what designed the designer of the designer? Note that any attempt to escape this infinite regression (such as, "The designer is timeless") not only assigns completely imaginary attributes to the designer, but can apply to the universe just as easily, sidestepping the entire need for a designer in the first place. There, intelligent design ruined in twenty seconds. If you want a more thorough dissection of creationist points, look no further than the Dover trial; ID proponents put its best efforts into proving that ID is science, and they couldn't even convince a strongly conservative judge (who had been hand-picked by Dubya himself) that they were legit. So now that they can't advance their agenda through science (because it's not science) and they can't do it through the courts (because even judges predisposed to be on their side can see through their lies) their only recourse is to try and gain popular support. But they can't do it, because a) they have to lie through their teeth to make their easily broken case, and b) science doesn't care about popular opinion anyway, only testable hypotheses and corroborating data, and ID has neither. See, here's the biggest thing: you say, "Let people believe what they want." I say, "What they believe is stupid and illogical, and there is absolutely no reason why I should respect their delusions just because they call it a religion." ID is garbage and it has no place in our schools. Unless you also propose that we teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry, astrology as an alternative to astronomy, demon possession as an alternative to medicine... you get the idea. Lastly, read this. Save it, and make any creationist in your life read it. Betcha they can't answer, either. That should be all the proof anyone needs that they're full of it. |
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on 2008-05-02 15:48:16 (edited 2008-05-02 15:50:19)
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Obviously ID is not a scientific theory, and is out of place in the classroom. My outrage comes from the devious method of propaganda that Ben Stein is participating in. The whole premise of the movie is backwards and intellectually empty, although they pretend the opposite. How might we measure the damage this sort of film does to the collective population of the US? Where mental anguish is concerned, I'm ready to file a class-action lawsuit against Stein myself. What of the minds of children who idolize Ben? How can we, as a society, allow the cancerous growth of misinformation to flourish like this? Our cherished belief of free speech allows one to spread opinions, but not injure. I claim this film injures the viewer's psyche through brain washing and false advertising. Furthermore, I hold Ben Stein responsible, as writer and producer, for the damage done to society. Everyone has the right to think freely, but this right is threatened by such propaganda films. The movie is not benign, it is an aggressive attack on reason and the institutions of learning, and it should be stopped. Imagine if a similar movie was made replacing "freedom to question evolution" with "freedom to question emancipation of women" or "freedom to question equal treatment of blacks". It is not the freedom of any person question those globally accepted social norms, is it?
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by OmegaPhatts
on 2008-05-03 22:25:54 (edited 2008-05-04 13:50:45)
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Okay, don't flame or yell at me, but this is what I think: God exists, and he created everything... [off topic wall of text removed by admin] And sorry for the wall of text.
"Suffer the little ones, for they may yet rise up and beat you senseless." Druid's Call, from Magic: The Gathering
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OmegaPhatts, I edited your post to exclude off-topic content. Off-topic discussion is NOT exercising freedom of speech, it is against the rules. I do hear your perspective, that you believe in god. That's fine, enjoy! To each their own, right? However, your own personal god story must not be taught in school as science. Your theory must be disregarded scientifically due to the lack of testable predictions. Stein proposes that Intelligent Design is a valid scientific theory, which is a lie. The film is full of such lies, and is therefore offensive to me, and hopefully to you, as well.
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by OmegaPhatts
on 2008-05-05 20:39:37
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I apologize. I was only stating (the long way) that I believe in both sides, that one side isn't better than the other. I believe in Intelligent Design, but only so far as science is involved. But to say that EVERYTHING is made perfect is wrong.
"Suffer the little ones, for they may yet rise up and beat you senseless." Druid's Call, from Magic: The Gathering
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on 2008-05-05 23:48:12 (edited 2008-05-05 23:48:31)
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~"Imagine if a similar movie was made replacing "freedom to question evolution" with "freedom to question emancipation of women" or "freedom to question equal treatment of blacks". It is not the freedom of any person question those globally accepted social norms, is it?"~ actually Gendou, yes, any person does have the freedom to question those globally accepted norms. Those are the opinions that the 1st amendment protects, the unpalatable to ones, they can make a deceitful movie on it too, if they so choose, it is our job as more enlightened citizens to recognise their insane rantings as just that, and make sure the hoi polloi is aware of their untruths. It is not the duty of any responsible person to censor another [with the exception of cases presenting a "clear and present danger" e.g. shouting fire in a crowded theatre] |
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on 2008-05-06 19:29:36 |
'tis a sad sad world 
So I drove into a parking lot one time and saw this person pull into a handicap parking spot. When you think handicap, you think wheelchair and whatever, right? So it just ticked me off when I saw the guy come out of the car perfectly fine. So then I ran him over. |
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I think Michel Shermer's recent article in SciAm sums this movie up nicely. Go to SciAm.com to read it in this months issue.
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Link: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ben-steins-expelled-review-michael-shermer
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| LOL... from just completing college with one of the classes being Evolution, the idea of Intelligent Design is so stupid and ridiculous now that I think about it. It's not science. Science requires a hypothesis and a way to test that through experiments not pertaining to the supernatural. Intelligent design uses the cop-out assumption that God is responsible for what can't be explained. In a way, science is a threat to the idea of intelligent design because every day we are finding out reasons for why things are the way they are that was previously thought to be something done or occurred only by "God". It's almost as dumb as the idea of irreducible complexity. I suggest people who believe in the silly idea of intelligent design to watch the movie called " A Flock of Dodos". |