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Re: The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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When it comes to running solo, gendou.com is a good example of that being effective (most of the time :P). I can understand that desire and it is a good strategy. But not for a partnership! lol The slander campaign was my fault, I misread the situation entirely when I talked with Philip over email. Of course, we was giving his side of the story, which was very incomplete and understandably misleading. So, sorry for dirtying your name (referring to posts in the previous thread about this issue, which I deleted promptly upon hearing the other side of the story). 
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by belldandy428
on 2006-11-04 13:55:46 (edited 2006-11-04 14:00:23)
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Kaitou definately wanted to contribute enough to deserve the money, but was TOTALLY unable to. He has always owned the domain name, and we (I say we because he and I are partners) have tried to work with PMak in any way possible. PMak apparently likes to run solo and take advantage of the people he works with, i.e. not compensating Xazy with the wealth of money he was making. We run things differently. We use the money made on the sites to help the people who help us. We've given money to one of our head moderators when they got into a bad car crash and needed to get a new car, we also give another server mod the money to pay for the car he has as well. We have used the money to help our head admins attend AX06. And as stated before are more than willing to give Xazy compensation if she would be willing to join and help us run the new animelyrics.com. We did not want to pull the domain name from PMak and offered him money to purchase the database from him. His answer was this apparentslander campaign and to throw out half truths and dirtying our name as much as possible. I just want to clear up some of the facts so that the true story gets out there. I'm sorry this had to be made public so that everyone has to get involved with the childishness of it all. We would still love for people to come to our site, enjoy the new forums and the community we have worked very hard to build at our other sites. I'm sorry for anyone affected if they feel they have been done so in a negative way. My email is Belldandy428@gmail.com and I am more than willing to talk with anyone about the matter. Or you may email Kaitou Ace at Webmaster@animeglobe.com Thanks <3 P.S. the company that offered us $100,000 for AnimeLyrics.com was Duna Internet Inc out of the UK. So its not a lie, FYI. I can go so far as to post the email, altho I would prefer not to, to protect their privacy. |
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Re: The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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on 2006-11-04 13:39:17 (edited 2006-11-04 13:56:26)
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Clearly Kaitou Ace didn't get what was agreed upon, but, all he has to offer is ownership of the domain name its self. That does not, in my mind, mean he deserves the money, but a deal is a deal. It seems like maybe its not Kaitou Ace's fault he didn't contribute, and that in fact he wanted to, as belldandy428 has mentioned. Not to make light of this unfortunate conflict, but this plot keeps getting more and more interesting! Thank you for your input, belldandy428. Just can't help but think, it seems to me like a new website should start at a new domain, you know?
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by belldandy428
on 2006-11-04 13:31:11 (edited 2006-11-04 13:37:03)
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Just to clear up some of the missing facts. Since May of 2004 PMak has made over $32,000 in revenue off of AnimeLyrics.com. He has signed ad agreements for Gorilla Nation Media claiming to be the sole owner of the site. Which if you don't know is illegal, since he's not. When Kaitou Ace asked him to put up an ad he would for 3 months, which combined with 2 other sites tuxedomask.com and animeglobe.com got about an average of $700/month and that was in 2003. So, I'd have to say Kaitou Ace has gotten little to no revenue for the site. Kaitou Ace has made a layout, banner and buttons, none of which PMak used. He locked him out of the server PREVENTING him from helping at all. So not helping was not a choice for Kaitou Ace. He had no way to help. At some point, if you remember, the site went down for 3 weeks this summer. At that point Kaitou offered to move the site back to our servers and was turned down. I go by Princess Minako on Animeforum.com and AnimeGalleries.net the sites that Kaitou Ace and myself own. He also happens to be one of my best friend. Everything I've told you is fact, facts that can be backed up with documentation including the financial reports from GNM the ad company. We would LOVE for Sailor Bacon and Xazy to come help the new AnimeLyrics.com We would even be willing to compensate them for their help. Thanks <3 On a side note, if we knew how to contact you Xaxy we would have, the only email we had was the @animelyrics.com. We would LOVE to have you help us with the content and as said above would be more than happy to compensate. |
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Re: The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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First I must say, I am honored that you posted in my forum, Sailor Bacon! I am impressed with the wisdom of your policy in regards to money, which I also share. :) Thank you for your clarification about Igor's non-contribution, which to me, is a critical point. Thank you also for all you have done to create and help maintain the awesome service! I am sorry to hear about the trouble in your personal life, but am happy to hear of your fun job and that you are spending your time on what is truly important in life.
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by SailorBacon
on 2006-11-04 11:30:56
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Well, Xazy linked me here so might as well give my little piece. After graduating from college and taking up a full time job doing website things for CNET Networks, I just didn't have time for working on animelyrics.com so I handed over the admin keys to both Xazy and LockeVanish so that the site would continue to get updates. I dropped by time to time and aside from that just vanished. My personal life went to hell and I moved cross country 3 times in as many years. As for this whole issue, it was just brought to my attention yesterday. Never once have I been a part of any discussion involving the ownership or maintenance of the site. Never once have I ever received a penny for keeping it running (thus why it was forced onto the backburner when I moved to pursue real life goals and ambitions). As for Philip vs Igor, I can assure you that Igor never did a damn thing for the site. Anytime I wanted something done, I would email Philip and it was handled. It has been and always would've been myself with some help from Philip who did the work, and Igor who sat around apparently making free money. I don't care about money. I'm well enough off money-wise and Sailor Bacon's Anime Song Lyrics Headquarters -> AnimeLyrics.com was always about having fun and providing an awesome service to me. As long as the lyrics are up for people to use, everyone wins and I don't care who profits. But as for which site to link to, I would say animelyrics.tv. It's the pure site, and it's maintained by someone who has actually had something to do with the growth of the site. If I ever have the ability to help out on either site, it would be that one and not the new leech site. |
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Re: The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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I agree with you fully, Xazy. From my personal experience on this website I know that maintenance is 99% of the work. Obviously, Philip never dispersed to you any ad money since you have been volunteering your work. Hey, I don't disperse any revenue received on this site to anyone except my web host, and they take all of it! :P But then again, I don't have ads. You might be able to tell Philip you will only continue working for animelyrics.tv if he offers you X% of ad revenue. Also, you still have the choice to side with Igor, if you think he will run things better. Myself, I am still quite undecided at this point. It is an interesting problem and very complex indeed.
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The most ignored player is honestly MYSELF. ME. XAZY. Hello. *waves* And probably Sailor Bacon, too. You know, the guy who started the site? The guy who is pretty much solely responsible for the site even existing? And then there's me, who's been maintaining the site for 2-3 years almost single-handedly. To be completely honest, even as the site/forum/database admin, most of the information you have here is news to me. News to me! I had no knowledge of this server, advertising, hosting, or domain-name rankle. If anyone was seeing revenue from the ads, it was certainly not me. If anyone decided to change the ads or the hosting, it was not me. All the information I ever received was "The site was down for a few hours to switch servers". You know, something that's pretty standard for websites. I'm annoyed at both sides honestly for leaving me completely in the dark. I'm disgusted that all of this happened without my knowledge. I'm disgusted that all of this petty bickering went on without any concern for the feelings of the site's CONTENT GENERATOR(S). I'm especially disgusted if Philip was making money from the site and not sharing it with the person/people who did constant site management rather than just occasional DB poking. Or I don't know! Maybe Philip did more than that. I wouldn't know. If anyone's a freaking doormat here, it's me. I'm sickened. EDIT (OP seems to have been edited): bull freaking crap Philip is going to "run" animelyrics.tv by himself. It's MY work that runs the site. MY. WORK. |
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Re: The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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Yea. It seems Igor is out to make money. All the evidence suggest that is what he does, and wants. He does, however, appear to have given Philip quite some slack. He even left up Philips other domains (animewallpapers.com on animeforum.com) which he hosts. It doesn't seem right for someone to spider all the content and make a copy of the site, but, it does seem like the partnership was clear that the domain name animelyrics.com and its owner owned the rights to the content. So, Philip was foolish to enter into such a one-sided partnership. A lot of the facts are still shaky. I am waiting for both sides to verify a lot of this, still. Also, from the looks of this article, it looks like Philip has had trouble with partnerships in the past.
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Re: The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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on 2006-11-04 10:31:56 (edited 2006-11-04 10:36:24)
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I say screw it and let us transcribe all the lyrics from scratch. :P Seriously though, this is a tough decision. :/    |
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The Animelyrics.com Controversy
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on 2006-11-04 10:21:40 (edited 2006-11-04 13:50:11)
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There appears to be much more of a controversy surrounding the animelyrics.com dissolved partnership than I had at first been led to believe. The players:
The timeline:
I pose these questions to my users: 1. To which site should I direct my users for lyrics (.com or .tv) and why? 2. Do you think it was right for Philip to remove Igor's ads from the site? 3. Do you think it is right or Igor to use the content he took using a web crawler?
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