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It depends on what kind of attitude you're attending school with. If you simply want good grades, diligence will get you them. If you want to do as much gaming and anime-watching as possible while getting acceptable grades, intelligence helps. :P Though one could argue that not taking school seriously is already not intelligent. |
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on 2008-01-01 18:27:56 |
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according to psycologists grades is jus a feedback of how well u ;perform in school it has nothing to do with how well u will perform in the real life example there are alot of engineering (which is a hard to do scholastically) majors comming out of college and a lot of them aren't landing jobs because they don't have the people skills tohold down an interview     |
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A grade is indeed a measure of Diligence, for even the most incredibly retarded person can get a good grade if they did the homework diligently like what every student should. Even if that person fails all their tests and quizzes, they will get a low B to a High to mediocre C. The reason? Well, I'm speaking of the standards here in California, but one word always comes up when I discuss this with my teachers; the word, "Fair." Apparently, the State had been pushing for such a bell curve so much, that they even put up signs in the classrooms (Mind the Gap) telling the smarter students not to leave the dumb ones behind. And that is why over 70% of a person's grade here is dictated by diligent and busy-body work done at home. I had tried to let my teachers see that the only way to churn out high output business men in the future is to leave behind the weak and the intellegence impaired. I felt that even though this motion is cruel, it forces some of those students to not only focus on work, but focus on the understanding of concepts, being able to focus and think logically, and from it, suceed. My motion of simply this, focus all grades on one single thing, tests. Homework are to help you study, not to be graded on. Projects are to help you understand, not to be creative about. There is a difference between learning something and understanding something. Sadly, if what we only do is diligent hard work in school, we learn and memorize more that we should understand and deduct. (Sorry if this was a bit redundant, or if the wording was bad, my rants usually end up in just a mess of what I think) |
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| grades are an intentional misrepresentation of a student's talents for the purpose of uniformly quantifying academic performance. Personally, I do extremely well in school, but my grades are bad. The reason? I am disorganized and often forget my homework. I can sleep through class and still ace every test but a mere number and letter could never accurately describe my abilities. Even SAT scores are inaccurate. You need a full view of a person to understand their capabilities, from raw numbers like IQ to detailed accomplishments. That is why they invented resumes. |
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simple; Diligence can be measured by a quarter of your brain, another quarter of your sanity and a half of your imagination. Intelligence altogether is very different. It is your mind, reactions, thinking, imaginations and your ideas put together in a teeny-weeny box I call the HEAD. So stop pushing your children in answering the textbooks. Even if he could answer that, there is no assurance that he is doing WELL. Sanity, people. Keep your family as sane as possible. But, if that is naturally inevitable, I know the mental asylum is a phone call away. Go look at the local number listings. [If you can relate, do it now.] (Stop me! I'm getting sarcastic! o.O) |
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I say b****cks to tests. I finished school and college with a tonne of grades, and distinctions. What has that got me so far? Nothing and nowhere. It doesn't do anything, not even give you a leg up in the world. I know people who I would deem to have the intelligence, dilligence and usefulness of a gnat to have gotten very successful very fast without even working for it. Why? Other people. It's never what you know, it's always who you know.  |
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Damean, This topic isn't too broad. I said, "What's your take?" Besides, take some time to think about the question and sort out the "extraneous variables." I'm pretty sure you can easily group them in one side or another fairly easily.  |
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| It doesn't actually matters much but whats important is you finish or you graduate thats what's counts. |
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| If you adjust to a system well through a set of methods, you'll get a decent grade. I think that's all there is to it really (as far as academics are concerned). |
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unfortunately 4 all those bookworms who get A's it truly is of no use if they dont know its applications of what they r learning besides wat they write in their answer sheets . ive known several A's who practically got D's in college because they couldnt exercise that wat they have learnt . but it is a a pain in the bum all those C's i recieved in school .  |
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Intelligence determines how diligent you have to be. The more intelligent you are, the less you have to work to compensate for lack of it. Even the smartest, most hard-working person can get F's if they don't conform to the school's standards, i.e. if they answer tangentially or if they disagree with stated guidelines. Being able to work hard pays more, though, as intelligence often makes you resistant to thinking inside the molds that your teachers want. |
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The grades can actually matter depending on how much info you managed to stole from others and how much you didn't let others steal from you. In one word, cheating. Strange how tiny datas can help you get the highest score, not only in the exam hall, but also during the time you were preparing yourself for the exam. Collecting the best answers to some of the hardest questions, and spending time in a particular secretive section of the library only you know about can have a good impact on your sources. I consider Night School cheating too! ^ ^ (That is if you have the stamina to work that hard.) Hence my vote is for diligence.  |
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In english classes I feel it's more about Intelligence due to all the rhetorical questions that make you have to think HARD before writing. I enjoy english for this reason and so far english for me has always been about intelligence as far as essays are concerned. The only exception would be homework and that stupid IMRDC paper I had to do in 10th grade 
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| Grade are a measure of dilligence. To verify that on a certain level, let's consider the International Mathematical Olympiad of 1985. Laurent Laffourge at that competition won the silver medal, which is pretty awesome. For sure there were other dudes who got higher scores than him and at the perspective that grades reflect intelligence, he wouldn't be the smartest guy around. However from that year, he was the only one who was awarded the Fields Medal later on his life, 2002 to be precise. In fact one of the few IMO participants to have achieved such honor in mathematics. The point is that exams, papers aren't enough to verify the intelligence of a person. And finishing it, just think about Stephen Smale who got pretty bad grades while at the university but later in his life he came up with a proof for Poincaré conjecture for all dimensions equal or above 5, and a Fields Medal in 66; is it possible to argue that he wasn't smart? |
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Grades are actually a mixture of diligence and intelligence. No matter how intelligent you are, if you don't work hard for a subject, you won't get good grades. And no matter how diligent you are, if you don't have the proper level (and type) of intelligence required for a subject, you also won't get good grades.  |
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Both intelligence and dilligence... Coz you can't rely only on your intelligence alone, you have to study hard also... Then you'll get maximal grades ^^   |
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How dilligent a student is will affect on to his/her grades.     |
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on 2009-02-28 15:25:54 (edited 2009-02-28 16:07:46)
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I think intelligence and diligence are inverse. The more intelligence you have, the less diligence you'll need. The less intelligence you have, the MORE diligence you'll need. I've always defined "intelligence" as one's capacity for learning. Whether that be in terms of how fast you can learn or how easily you learn difficult concepts. By this definition, some level of diligence is REQUIRED whether that be through studying or putting forth effort to SHOW you know what you're talking about. Given this, grades by themselves do not represent anything. They don't show how hard you worked or how much you know. Take two people, one with intelligence and the other with diligence. If both get the same grade, one through his shear intelligence and the other through his work ethic, then that's proof that the grade doesn't show either intelligence or diligence. Other factors must be taken into account as well such as the course material. Is is highly conceptual like theoretical physics or is it filled with memorization like biology? Obviously, the more difficult the concepts get the less and less diligence is going to pay off. In situations where the material is easy, the intelligent one is held back. He could do better but is limited by the course material itself. What also must be taken into account is the method of grading. Is it mostly testing, mostly homework, or a mix of the two? Homework usually rewards the diligent as they can look up the answers while the intelligent person does the homework without much effort. This case is the same as my previous example, the intelligent one is not given enough room to shine. Though, it could also be pushed against the intelligent one's favor if the class was more than just homework, but required a lot of actual work. It takes diligence to do that and the intelligent one would suffer here. I believe that the highest level of intelligence (let's call it omniscience) would require zero diligence because the intelligence of that person is absolute. However, because no one IS omniscient, I believe diligence will always be required to some extent unless the person in question already knows the course material. And if someone masters the most difficult concepts we have with zero diligence, then I would have to argue that the concepts are not difficult enough. |
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its diligence for me... there is no intelligence without diligence! i remembered what our teacher told us... ...a person that you thought don't know anything in school, do actually know something, they just don't like studying... intelligence cannot be obtained in a second.. it also needs diligence for a person to become intelligent.. so.. diligence comes first before intelligence! 
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Hi Im new. Sorry if I should of posted an intro thread.. Heres my input. Grades are not needed its societies way of labeling you to the standards of everyone else it keeps you from reaching true potential. I say you can learn more by reading on your own than in a school with peers who will limit what you learn.I am the lazy smart type and i make horrible grades due tot he fact half the stuff i do is not needed for me to pass and i dont think its needed so i dont do it and im lazy. The only subject I really need to study is math. I dont think its fair for those who know the knowledge to suffer with no job and other means because he or she didnt fit into the social definition of school. You can know everything and still fail How can ones intelligence be sized up with a letter depending on a percent? To me its stupid and it doesnt make any sense that those who get A's automatically assume they are smarter than F students. Its a proven fact those who cut ditch get suspended or fail a class most likely knows more than the one who comes on time never gets suspended and never ditches. |